Can we "try" and end our Class Wars?

Odovacar

"ah hem" With all due respect

I know I'm not the only one who is tired of beating the dead horse. By all means who I am to say …. Lets try and relearn to play while still having fun, regardless of change.

We are RPG users, we overcome adversity better than any other group of gamers out there !!!! (Elder Scrolls Online, especially)


I still believe in the ESO community.

Facefister

That's rich coming from a DK main :^)

Odovacar

Facefister wrote: »

That's rich coming from a DK main :^)

Still having a blast!

Kanar

Nerf sorc shields and NB cloak.

Jaimeh

The bile I’ve seen spewed over sorcs in the last couple of days borders on the pathological. I wonder if people who hate a class because of a perceived notion of overperformance, also realize that they can too play that class. That doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be class diversity--in an ideal setting classes would be balanced, bringing something unique to a group with their playstyle, without deviating significantly from other classes regarding strength or utility. It means rather that people should think less in terms of ‘my class’ and ‘your class’ and more in terms of ‘our game’s classes’. And again, the problem seems to spring mostly from the PvP side; there’s not so much resentment in PvE between classes, even in cases where said resentment might even be a little warranted, like non-DK tanks, non-templar healers, etc., yet in those case people bring constructive arguments in about how a certain class spec can be on par with the more popular choices for a given role, like a templar tank or a DK healer, in PvP however, it’s more like ‘dancing on your graves’. Schadenfreude much?

Rohamad_Ali

Hehehe

VaranisArano

As long as ZOS balances PVE like its a game of King Of The Hill and PVP like its Rock, Paper, Scissors, this isn't going to happen.

Lylith

some classes are obviously more equal than others.

gg, zos.

Drakkdjinn

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Odovacar

Everyone is in quite a bit of distress and it’s totally justifiable, but things will work themselves out. I still have hopes moving forward.

JJBoomer

Honestly I'm just dismissing the people reveling in other players being upset. Those are not players that make good company. I just pretend they don't exist. Life is happier that way.

but it's interesting to see how these changes are showing who the true toxic players in the community are. So I guess that's an upside.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Odovacar wrote: »

Lets try and relearn to play while still having fun, regardless of change.

That's not what ending the class wars even mean. What it should mean is standing up for other classes you don't play when they get a brutal nerf.

I've opposed almost every class skill nerf that has been put into this game. Strong skills were never the core of the balance issue.

Lasinagol

Only thing I dislike out of every class mag or stam is the Dual Pet Sorc...cool and neat, yeah...but now gutted with overload. Hoping to see less of them...

Cadbury

Humans need a scapegoat. So the "class wars" and any other "Us vs. Them" will continue for now until the heat death of the universe.

MasterSpatula

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as ZOS balances PVE like its a game of King Of The Hill and PVP like its Rock, Paper, Scissors, this isn't going to happen.

Agreed. ZOS consistently “balances” the game in a toxic manner, and this sets the tone for a lot of the player reaction.

max_only

I knew it. It’s Dragonknights who are fanning the flames of dissent.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425881/dragonknights-have-been-getting-away-with-it/p1

Koensol

Odovacar wrote: »

Everyone is in quite a bit of distress and it’s totally justifiable, but things will work themselves out. I still have hopes moving forward.

No offense, but it's because of people like you that changes like this actually go live. You are blurring the feedback on these absolute bs changes with completely unfounded optimism. This is not a constructive thread at all, because it has no substance. All you're doing is poking disappointed players with a stick. If you think things will be alright, didn't you play the game during the last year? It is everything but alright, and it is getting worse patch by patch. ZOS needs to wake the f up.

Turelus

There is a very weird tribalism around classes in ESO. Would love to see it go away, but it's not easy to do sadly.

Cadbury

Turelus wrote: »

There is a very weird tribalism around classes in ESO. Would love to see it go away, but it's not easy to do sadly.

It's bleedover from real life. It's here and it's not going away anytime soon...

IZZEFlameLash

Never until ZOS decide that they will end the class disparity like they almost always do with NBs. They get away free from harsh nerfs. Till the disparity and gap has been closed, there will be more class wars.

Coggo

They only call it Class War when we fight back.


Oh sorry, wrong forum.

Tryxus

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...

CLASS WARS

With the extinction of Sorcerers, the neglected Dragonknights have decided to choose sides. They now work as mercenaries for either the Templars or the Wardens. Meanwhile, Nightblades are stalking the shadows, waiting for their chance to strike...

Cadbury

Tryxus wrote: »

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...

CLASS WARS

With the extinction of Sorcerers, the neglected Dragonknights have decided to choose sides. They now work as mercenaries for either the Templars or the Wardens. Meanwhile, Nightblades are stalking the shadows, waiting for their chance to strike...

So, basically the plot of The Last Jedi?

FloppyTouch

max_only wrote: »

I knew it. It’s Dragonknights who are fanning the flames of dissent.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425881/dragonknights-have-been-getting-away-with-it/p1

Stop just stop

Siohwenoeht

I think we'll only see improvement once some people realize the difference between being beaten by a superior player (in pvp) and skills/mechanics that legitimately overperform. Most important though, is that forums are an opportunity to express concerns and discuss solutions but as we've all seen across several patches and for several classes, it should not be a place to berate and demean others/other classes.

I could go on forever about what the internet has become since I first used prodigy (look it up, pre aol, altavista etc. Text ONLY) in the '90s, but as our cousins across the pond are fond of saying:

Keep calm and carry on.

Odovacar

Turelus wrote: »

There is a very weird tribalism around classes in ESO. Would love to see it go away, but it's not easy to do sadly.

Absolutely, agree!

Odovacar

JJBoomer wrote: »

Honestly I'm just dismissing the people reveling in other players being upset. Those are not players that make good company. I just pretend they don't exist. Life is happier that way.

but it's interesting to see how these changes are showing who the true toxic players in the community are. So I guess that's an upside.

Yeah its tough to see folks that have main'd MagSorc's for years that now "might" have to turn away from what they mostly know. I mainly play DK's but I also love my Sorc too. I take no satisfaction in seeing a class (and a very popular one too) broke in half.

I instantly applied my melancholy personality on mine after the PTS notes broke .

Beardimus

Odovacar wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

Honestly I'm just dismissing the people reveling in other players being upset. Those are not players that make good company. I just pretend they don't exist. Life is happier that way.

but it's interesting to see how these changes are showing who the true toxic players in the community are. So I guess that's an upside.

Yeah its tough to see folks that have main'd MagSorc's for years that now "might" have to turn away from what they mostly know. I mainly play DK's but I also love my Sorc too. I take no satisfaction in seeing a class (and a very popular one too) broke in half.

I instantly applied my melancholy personality on mine after the PTS notes broke .

Fair play mate, very respectful

Riptide

I don’t at all revel in other’s unhappiness.

But I mained a templar sinc the alpha. Got kicked in the face for years. I never once came on here and posted a woe is me post. I didn’t go on my trials guild discord and go all FML about it, say I’m quitting, RIP progression trials blah blah blah.

I’ve got a very. healthy disdain for that kind of garbage, and will say so.

Hoolielulu

I was considering an Argonian Sorc to *** off everybody.

LadyNalcarya

As a templar main, I agree.
I think the devs should be careful with nerfs. It's a game and it's supposed to be fun for everyone. I would prefer if they would just buff underperforming classes instead.
And seeing it as a "revenge" is wrong on so many levels. It's like when some players hope that their pvp opponent will die from cancer or tell them that they're gonna r*pe their mother or something. That's scummy even for an angry 13-years old, and when it comes from adult players, I'm just speechless. So much toxicity.
Ironically, if this change goes life and magsorcs and other light armor users are gutted, there will be the next target for hatred. It will never end if people continue supporting it.

Jaimeh wrote: »

The bile I’ve seen spewed over sorcs in the last couple of days borders on the pathological. I wonder if people who hate a class because of a perceived notion of overperformance, also realize that they can too play that class. That doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be class diversity--in an ideal setting classes would be balanced, bringing something unique to a group with their playstyle, without deviating significantly from other classes regarding strength or utility. It means rather that people should think less in terms of ‘my class’ and ‘your class’ and more in terms of ‘our game’s classes’. And again, the problem seems to spring mostly from the PvP side; there’s not so much resentment in PvE between classes, even in cases where said resentment might even be a little warranted, like non-DK tanks, non-templar healers, etc., yet in those case people bring constructive arguments in about how a certain class spec can be on par with the more popular choices for a given role, like a templar tank or a DK healer, in PvP however, it’s more like ‘dancing on your graves’. Schadenfreude much?

Well said.