Do you like the PTS shield changes?

Urvoth

VaranisArano

I think that whether I like it or not is irrelevant.

ZOS is going to do what they want.

Unfortunately.

(Shield-stacking needed adjustment, but I'm not convinced this is the right way to nerf it.)

Taleof2Cities

Did we really need another shields thread in General Discussion?

mb10

Yes

WELL WELL WELL!

All the Sorcs who were uniting and trying to get a nerf for invis on NBs just the other day arent so happy and cheery atm are they???

Enjoy the changes!

OrdoHermetica

No

mb10 wrote: »

WELL WELL WELL!

All the Sorcs who were uniting and trying to get a nerd for invis on NBs just the other day arent so happy and cheery atm are they???

Enjoy the changes!

Hi there! Not a sorc player, still really don't like this change. This affects every single magicka build that uses light armor. I don't know why everyone keeps thinking this is a sorc nerf when they're only one of five classes directly and meaningfully affected by this in both PvE and PvP.

ZeroXFF

Other

I like the fact that they now benefit from resistances. Frankly they should benefit from all sources of mitigation (including block), and be just the last step before HP is taken, and I don't mind if their overall value has to be reduced to accommodate that. There are plenty of interesting tank sets with shield procs that would suddenly be useful and not a sick joke if this were to happen. And it would also make much more sense with the way shields are displayed in the UI (as a portion of HP being protected).

However the added cast time on some of the shields is absolutely horrible. People playing mag sorcs and magblades will no longer be able to complete vMA without switching to heavy armor.

ArchMikem

Other

I don't use Shields. Doesn't concern me.

Urvoth

No

ZeroXFF wrote: »

However the added cast time on some of the shields is absolutely horrible. People playing mag sorcs and magblades will no longer be able to complete vMA without switching to heavy armor.

vMA, top tier PvE, and PvP. The class is completely gutted.

zaria

No

Why not remove the skill? nobody will ever use an shield with cast time, unless its last 30 seconds or letting you take 100K damage. Why not simply remove shield stacking, you can not stack multiple shields, just the strongest.

ruikkarikun

No

Delete cast time. Only INSTANT.

Coggo

No

In theory, I'm not adverse to changes to how shields work. Shields are in okay'ish place right now. Nothing a few nuanced tweaks couldn't have brought into line. Instead, we get a carpet bombing approach to changing core gameplay mechanics. No wonder the community is in an uproar.

akl77

Other

Don’t care, it’s not that much of a deal, I can play with the 1sec casting time.

SirDopey

Yes

All my Stamina characters are going to be welcomed back into raids again

MLGProPlayer

No

Of course not. They make magicka classes unviable.

Gythral

No

"He Who Cannot be Named " wont back down,
so bye bye MagSorc

guess my main just got regulated to Crafting support, or maybe off to another game (it's been a better run this time around) until the changes roll around (maybe)

steussy

No

Back to the drawing board Zenimax. This doesn't work.

DocFrost72

Yes

I like it. Will make for some interesting solo and pvp combos soon to come. Heavy armor mag sorcs viable, say what?

Hint: fort brass + ward = profit. 20k shield suddenly goes from blocking ~26k dmg to almost 48k dmg (assuming 20k resists).

You are adding a functional 20k *health* now, not a flimsy pre- resist barrier.

joaaocaampos

No

Good changes

• You can now deal a Critical Strike against an enemy with a damage shield.
• Poisons and Weapon Enchantments can now proc even if the damage done by the Light Attack, Heavy Attack, or Weapon Ability is fully absorbed by a damage shield.

Bad changes

• Your Spell and Physical Resistance now reduces incoming damage before it is applied to your damage shield.
• Conjured Ward/Annulment: This ability and its morphs now have a 1-second cast time, previously an instant cast.
• Increased the duration of the damage shield for Annulment, Conjured Ward and the Hardened Ward morph to 9 seconds from 6 seconds.
• Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph): Increased the duration of the damage shield to 14 seconds from 9 seconds.

Monsters and NPCs don't cause Critical Damage and have no Penetration, right? So... go back with all these bad changes and make Penetration affect the damage shields! That is, Physical and Spell Penetration increase damage against enemy with a damage shield! You will be balancing PvP without affecting PvE.

Septimus_Magna

No

Shields taking crits and getting a minor resistance buff is already a very hard nerf in PVP.
Slapping on a 1 second cast time each time you shield is obviously too much.

Its weird that Overload gets changed to get rid of the global cooldown delay.
Nobody used Overload in PVP because its hard to cast defensive skills so using it is really risky.
Now you're basically in the clunky Overload state when you want to cast a shield.
Good players will keep the pressure on and there will be nothing sorcs can do.

Mayrael

No

joaaocaampos wrote: »

Good changes

• You can now deal a Critical Strike against an enemy with a damage shield.
• Poisons and Weapon Enchantments can now proc even if the damage done by the Light Attack, Heavy Attack, or Weapon Ability is fully absorbed by a damage shield.

Bad changes

• Your Spell and Physical Resistance now reduces incoming damage before it is applied to your damage shield.
• Conjured Ward/Annulment: This ability and its morphs now have a 1-second cast time, previously an instant cast.
• Increased the duration of the damage shield for Annulment, Conjured Ward and the Hardened Ward morph to 9 seconds from 6 seconds.
• Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph): Increased the duration of the damage shield to 14 seconds from 9 seconds.

Monsters and NPCs don't cause Critical Damage and have no Penetration, right? So... go back with all these bad changes and make Penetration affect the damage shields! That is, Physical and Spell Penetration increase damage against enemy with a damage shield! You will be balancing PvP without affecting PvE.

Mate I appreciate your voice but just to clear something:
1. Shields currently are not affected by penetration because they have 0 spell, physical and critical resistances so you do the full damage against them always.
2. When casted shields can't crit so you can't have crit like BoL heal for 30k, but now can take critical damage. This change + shields using ressists will as usual hit LA builds and help HA users which now can benefit a lot from shields #ZOS.

f047ys3v3n

No

joaaocaampos wrote: »

Good changes

• You can now deal a Critical Strike against an enemy with a damage shield.
• Poisons and Weapon Enchantments can now proc even if the damage done by the Light Attack, Heavy Attack, or Weapon Ability is fully absorbed by a damage shield.

Bad changes

• Your Spell and Physical Resistance now reduces incoming damage before it is applied to your damage shield.
• Conjured Ward/Annulment: This ability and its morphs now have a 1-second cast time, previously an instant cast.
• Increased the duration of the damage shield for Annulment, Conjured Ward and the Hardened Ward morph to 9 seconds from 6 seconds.
• Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph): Increased the duration of the damage shield to 14 seconds from 9 seconds.

Monsters and NPCs don't cause Critical Damage and have no Penetration, right? So... go back with all these bad changes and make Penetration affect the damage shields! That is, Physical and Spell Penetration increase damage against enemy with a damage shield! You will be balancing PvP without affecting PvE.

I agree with the crit strikes on shield, and find the addition of spell and physical resistance to them for tanks interesting though a little worrisome because the cheat engine guys in PVP have max resistances and don't need a bigger effective shield. They are most of why ZOS looks to nerf things anyway.

I thought ZOS would probably allow only one sheild at a time to end shield stacking and maybe nerf the magnitude of shields a bit. What they have done is make shields not a thing at all as you don't exactly cast them when you have a whole lot of time to wander around with a slow on you and not get interrupted. It's pretty stupid but par for the course for the wobbler.

I might also add that I did not think shields were OP for anything but pre-casting before the contrived dualing format. For the most part mag toons got wrecked in PVP shields or not. The contrived dualing format where shields could be pre-cast and stams LOS and CC advantages were useless was a pretty niche exception.

Patrus

No

No. Horrible change and the animation let it feel like two seconds.

coplannb16_ESO

No

cast times in generally do not belong in this game imho.

in pvp (I play no-CP) I never used harness because that 5K shield wouldnt make a difference anyway, but running vMA (or any hard pve content) will be a pain with this change. basically its dodge roll for LA now too?!

Navras

No

It is quite hard to balance things out when you have so many different scenarios.

This will probably be a good change from a PVE perspective, it won't make such a big difference in CP Cyrodill, while it will be a dramatic change in NO-CP Cyro and Battlegrounds.

I'm not playing a Sorc so I don't take this personal but I don't see how can someone still play a Sorc in battlegrounds after these changes.

I suggest ZOS to consider using a modifier on shields in NOCP to be more effective

Runschei

No

The crit? Yeah. The cast time? No.

_Salty_

Yes

Im ok with the changes. Shield stacking was over tuned. You shouldnt be able to face tank a group and hit like a truck. Something had to be done besides implementing garbage sets like shield breaker and sloads, bleeds. This is a step in the right direction. The cast time wasnt needed but now crit and penetration will work against shields.

As a sap tank from console launch I know a thing or 20 about nerfs and how to build around them. Adapt or die.

Calsifer

Yes

Bam_Bam

LOL

ItsNebula

No

mb10 wrote: »

WELL WELL WELL!

All the Sorcs who were uniting and trying to get a nerd for invis on NBs just the other day arent so happy and cheery atm are they???

Enjoy the changes!

You’re probably the same kind of player that gets 1vXd by MagBlades and MagSorcs left and right.
That will kill of MagSorcs and MagBlades for solo and small scale pvp

Starlock

Other

I neither like nor dislike it. I have no access to PTS, so I cannot get a sense of how it feels. Overall, though, it will not impact my gameplay much... if at all. None of my three magicka characters need to rely on insta-cast shields.

TheInfernalRage

No

Shield stacking is bad, but this is a lazy solution. Too many cast time for a class that is now really turned into a mere shell of its former self.

I like what the shield is all about in this iteration of PTS, but if ZOS will push for that stupid cast time, then I'll just sing:

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