Selling accounts

OrphanHelgen

I will report a guy that I'm 100% sure is making accounts, getting a few achievements on it like flawless conq etc, cp cap, and then sell it.
My question:
Will you zenimax do something about this?
People are getting stuck in progression because we look at achievements and cp and assume they are good enough.
People think group tool and pugs is bad because of this.
I have been playing with max cp player who literally do not know that he have to press wasd to move his character.
This is a real problem, that cp 780 players out there can walk around freely in top raids and hard dungeons, linking their achievement like they have done this *** and they are good lets not blame them.
If account selling and account buy is illegal, then why not do anything about it?
Can I report a name and you ban his account? Or what happends when you find out of this? Sry bad english, blame vodka.. Will edit tomorrow eveneing.

ck37090

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

redspecter23

If you have some real proof that an account is bought, then you should bring that info to ZOS so they can investigate on their end. They may or may not take action but in either case, they won't report to anyone what has happened. That's their policy regarding disciplinary actions.

With regards to players putting to much faith in linked achievements, that's on the players and not ZOS. Someone using a carried achievement, either through a bought account or a legit carry through the content by a competent team will not fool anyone for long. Players can tell someone else's skill level once they run with them a few times. That achievement may get their foot in the door, but it won't get them much further if they don't have the skills to back it up.

OrphanHelgen

ck37090 wrote: »

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

Im not assuming, Im 100% sure, he told me, I have screenshots, and he ask me straight out to give him achievements. I have 100% proof yes

OrphanHelgen

redspecter23 wrote: »

If you have some real proof that an account is bought, then you should bring that info to ZOS so they can investigate on their end. They may or may not take action but in either case, they won't report to anyone what has happened. That's their policy regarding disciplinary actions.

With regards to players putting to much faith in linked achievements, that's on the players and not ZOS. Someone using a carried achievement, either through a bought account or a legit carry through the content by a competent team will not fool anyone for long. Players can tell someone else's skill level once they run with them a few times. That achievement may get their foot in the door, but it won't get them much further if they don't have the skills to back it up.

Yes you are right, but its still a "meta" thing to link achivemenet and its good enoguh. so lets all togheter as a community change this behavior and dont give a *** about cp and achievements ., but rather take players for who they are

JamieAubrey

Who would make a new account and grind to CP720 ? I cant even grind a new alt past level 20 without wanting to kill myself

LadyNalcarya

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Who would make a new account and grind to CP720 ? I cant even grind a new alt past level 20 without wanting to kill myself

People who quit the game and want to get some extra money?

ck37090

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

Im not assuming, Im 100% sure, he told me, I have screenshots, and he ask me straight out to give him achievements. I have 100% proof yes

Well... Is it really that big of a deal to you... Yeah... It's probably against the tos.. But why would you care enough to report the guy? He spent his money he isn't hurting you... I wouldn't group him, but I wouldn't also care enough to tell on him... That's lame too

Dracane

Maybe this is the secret, why I see so many 5 star generals who play worse than the average pvp newbie.
I mean you can zerg your way up, but you are BOUND to learn something in the progress.

By that logic, I should report every 5 star general who is obviously worse than an average newbie pvper.

starkerealm

ck37090 wrote: »

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

Account sharing is still a banning offense. There was a guy, a little over a month ago, whining about how his main account was banned, because he'd been logging onto a buddy's account to get them achievements in exchange for gold.

ck37090

starkerealm wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

Account sharing is still a banning offense. There was a guy, a little over a month ago, whining about how his main account was banned, because he'd been logging onto a buddy's account to get them achievements in exchange for gold.

Yeah... There is probably more to that... I let my kids make and play around with characters on my account and even if they logged my characters on and goofed around who cares? What exactly is the harm with that? Even if some guy earns some achievement for a friend... Why would anyone care... As long as people aren't cheating the rest is arbitrary

LadyNalcarya

ck37090 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

Account sharing is still a banning offense. There was a guy, a little over a month ago, whining about how his main account was banned, because he'd been logging onto a buddy's account to get them achievements in exchange for gold.

Yeah... There is probably more to that... I let my kids make and play around with characters on my account and even if they logged my characters on and goofed around who cares? What exactly is the harm with that? Even if some guy earns some achievement for a friend... Why would anyone care... As long as people aren't cheating the rest is arbitrary

ZOS isnt getting money if someone buys a "used" account instead of making a new one.

ck37090

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

Account sharing is still a banning offense. There was a guy, a little over a month ago, whining about how his main account was banned, because he'd been logging onto a buddy's account to get them achievements in exchange for gold.

Yeah... There is probably more to that... I let my kids make and play around with characters on my account and even if they logged my characters on and goofed around who cares? What exactly is the harm with that? Even if some guy earns some achievement for a friend... Why would anyone care... As long as people aren't cheating the rest is arbitrary

ZOS isnt getting money if someone buys a "used" account instead of making a new one.

Yeah... Like I said its probably against the tos...if they get caught and suspended that's on them... But hell if I would rat someone out for some stupid crap that doesn't effect me and isn't hurting anyone...and personally...I'm not buying and subscribing to more accounts so my kids can goof around once in awhile for 15minutes till they get bored... Is that breaking the tos and bannable for "sharing"my account... That's just some lame crap... Even some lame ass in game titles don't make anyone any better at the game.. I just don't get why anyone would even care...even zos is probably making out on someone buying an account because I'm sure if the guy can waste money paying for an account the same fool will be buying the overpriced crap in the store and subscribing

Girl_Number8

ck37090 wrote: »

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

True^

But how is this a problem when they don't even care much about their loyal player base to begin with~?

Salvas_Aren

Why would Zeni ban another player upon your request?

They don't even ban you if you request it. That's what it means that you are not owner of your account. They can decide at their own discretion what to do. Your opinion is not necessary.

Girl_Number8

Also people sell achievements, skins, Vma runs, and friends and family members do it for each other all the time. The only thing achievements are good for is yourself to be proud of, not to gauge another player's skill.

D0PAMINE

I was friends with someone who sold their acct. and the person who bought it is still using it with a new name. I know this because their old forum posts are still there under the new account and the original players youtube account has old friends asking why he sold it.

zaria

redspecter23 wrote: »

If you have some real proof that an account is bought, then you should bring that info to ZOS so they can investigate on their end. They may or may not take action but in either case, they won't report to anyone what has happened. That's their policy regarding disciplinary actions.

With regards to players putting to much faith in linked achievements, that's on the players and not ZOS. Someone using a carried achievement, either through a bought account or a legit carry through the content by a competent team will not fool anyone for long. Players can tell someone else's skill level once they run with them a few times. That achievement may get their foot in the door, but it won't get them much further if they don't have the skills to back it up.

This, and then its just sad, saw one who had an flawless title who was far from impressive as in almost as bad as me. Weapons or skins can be earned on other characters but not titles. We had an fun run so no complaints but nags me a bit afterwards.

ck37090

zaria wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

If you have some real proof that an account is bought, then you should bring that info to ZOS so they can investigate on their end. They may or may not take action but in either case, they won't report to anyone what has happened. That's their policy regarding disciplinary actions.

With regards to players putting to much faith in linked achievements, that's on the players and not ZOS. Someone using a carried achievement, either through a bought account or a legit carry through the content by a competent team will not fool anyone for long. Players can tell someone else's skill level once they run with them a few times. That achievement may get their foot in the door, but it won't get them much further if they don't have the skills to back it up.

This, and then its just sad, saw one who had an flawless title who was far from impressive as in almost as bad as me. Weapons or skins can be earned on other characters but not titles. We had an fun run so no complaints but nags me a bit afterwards.

But why? You are jealous over some stupid in game title? I just don't get it... Just enjoy the game and worry about yourself... As long as people aren't exploiting and/or cheating what they do and how they enjoy the game doesn't concern me in the least... And I sure as hell don't care what title they have.. Good players are good players and bad players are bad players and achievements and titles don't change that

SHADOW2KK

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Who would make a new account and grind to CP720 ? I cant even grind a new alt past level 20 without wanting to kill myself

I can name one or two people on PC EU who are the scum of the earth who has done that, maxed CP`s on one account and got more than my 1036 CP`s on another account, you will know them if you do a lot of PvP.

And agreed about the alts, 12 is my max and I utterly hate grinding alts out, the old vet days was a utter nightmare.

Argh the flashbacks

ComboBreaker88

Nothing in game is Illegal. It's against the ToS. Sure, you could possibly get banned. But ZoS probably won't do that. Because if a player will drop a couple hundred buck on an account, they're going to spend thousands in the crown store over the life of their account. All that aside, other players doing this in no way impacts other players game play. You can cry about it because you "feel" or "think" it is wrong.. But it's simply your opinion. And quite frankly people have too many opinions about how other people should do things already. So sit back, relax and repeat after me, "it's just a game." There. See? The world didn't end.

SHADOW2KK

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Nothing in game is Illegal. It's against the ToS. Sure, you could possibly get banned. But ZoS probably won't do that. Because if a player will drop a couple hundred buck on an account, they're going to spend thousands in the crown store over the life of their account. All that aside, other players doing this in no way impacts other players game play. You can cry about it because you "feel" or "think" it is wrong.. But it's simply your opinion. And quite frankly people have too many opinions about how other people should do things already. So sit back, relax and repeat after me, "it's just a game." There. See? The world didn't end.

Sounds like a opinion to me.

Vizikul

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

How do you know it isn't just some guys son or brother playing on their account... Seems like you are assuming allot

Im not assuming, Im 100% sure, he told me, I have screenshots, and he ask me straight out to give him achievements. I have 100% proof yes

Admitting to have committed a crime is not a proof that a crime was committed. He could have just trolled you and passed false information over to your direction.

firedrgn

Maybe that how i got stuck with 780s in a vet dungeon that were doing 6k dps literally.

D0PAMINE

firedrgn wrote: »

Maybe that how i got stuck with 780s in a vet dungeon that were doing 6k dps literally.

Don't even get me started. I was in with a cp410 with a damn ICE STAFF and DW. Not only was my taunt being stolen as I was trying to keep this dude from being murdered, but he never said a word, and had the audacity to pick up the HM scroll at the end. I had to spam CHAINS to pull in the extra DPS. The healer was helping too. I am never pugging again.

Sheezabeast

It hurts the community in multiple ways. One way that really bothers me is that items that people sell from the bought account could be flagged as stolen by Zos and then the person who buys them gets tangled up in it.

ZOS_JesC

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