Help a 780CP Magsorc not suck at PVP - builds, skills, cp etc

ReachHalo

I'm Stormproof (if that means anything these days), complete vet trials no probs, and solo every world boss i come across, bar a few. So, pve speaking, i probably know what I'm doing.

So why are 300CP players wiping the floor with me in Cyrodiil??

I obviously need help with dropping my PVE approach, and gettin my PVP on. And need some help with some base magsorc sets, skills, rotation and CP allocation.

I have gold Necro, BSW, Julianos, Mechanical Acuity armour sets, endless maelstrom staves, asylum staves, willpower etc. While i have tried to read other posts on op pvp magsorc builds, i really just want to be alot more competitive in pvp.

Suggestions??

Sparr0w

There isnt a rotation, maybe a burst but not a rotation, it's about being reactive.

Recovery is a lot more important in PvP, yes even Stamina recovery since you'll need to run/roll/break free a LOT more.

Personally I run Shackle & either Lich or Spinners. This is to give me max Mag & Stam, Mag & Stam recovery and then either more mag recovery if I'm fighting out numbered, or more damage/penetration. EDIT: I also run 1pc Ilambris, 1pc Domihaus.

You want:

• Defence - BOTH wards, the Sorc one & the Resto one. Some even take the light armour one too!
• Offence - Spammable in Force Pulse (or Crushing shock), Frag, Curse, Fury.
• Stuns - Use either Reach (destro) or Cage (Sorc). Can also use Streak as both a stun & a get away.
• Heal - Surge & Storm are nice to pair, or Exchange if you can LoS while you use it.
• Buffs/Debuffs - You can run Inner Light/Aegis/Ele drain/Storm in the other slots.

Side note: You will also want to run about 2k crit resist since your shields wont be up 100% of the time.

WuffyCerulei

So my build is: 5 Shacklebreaker, 3 Lich Jewels and 1 resto staff for backbar, Monster helm and shoulder of choice (1 kena/balorghs+max magicka one/2
engine guardian/2 infernal guardian), and an AS fire staff.
All armor has max magicka, with large pieces infused and smaller pieces divines. You can go all impen if you're not comfortable with infused/divines. Shields don't crit tho, so I don't use it. Fire staff is infused with either shock or prismatic enchant. Resto is powered with weapon damage enchant.

Front bar: Hardened ward, Crushing Shock, Endless Fury, Crystal Frags, Inner Light, and Shooting Star or Overload
Back bar: Haunting Curse, Healing Ward, Boundless Storm, Streak, Power Surge, and Suppression Field
You can switch inner light with fire clench or rune prison.

I use blue food, as Lich and Shacklebreaker are enough sustain. And my mundus is Apprentice/Mage, or go Atronach if you still have sustain issues. CP is whatever you feel comfortable with.

This is my own build that works for me, so it may not work for you. PvP is a whole different animal than PvE. You have to be rather self reliant with heals and sustain. Just go pvp and learn what to do!

Waffennacht

Active defense. Why I highly recommend a front barred shield. A single snipe can ruin your whole day.

Burst damage. Curse + Wrath + Ultimate + Frag/pulse/Ele weapon/d reach is your typical combo to kill

I only recommend AoE abilities if you have lots of PvP experience and the situation calls for it

Mobility. You want to be able to LoS and escape when needed. I always use a form of major expedition (boundless or pots) coupled with streak.

You must have a CC. It's how you break offensive onslaughts or finish an opponent or help an ally.

Stamina is a very necessary resource in PvP, with resource poisons break free can cost as much as 7.25k stamina

I would list my mag sorc build but that's gonna throw you off

HackTheMinotaur

Hey man. First, I would recommend queuing for battlegrounds instead of Cyrodiil. You’ll have a much more level playing field and a greater opportunity to learn your skills.

Shacklebreaker, wizards riposte, and any monster set is a great beginner combo. I have a slightly different build using the prisoners rags set which is also fun.

https://youtu.be/KWVLRJ2BnGI

NordSwordnBoard

If you aren't using Rune prison, put defensive rune on your overload bar - along with any long lasting buffs you don't want on your main bars.

Starting out, defensive rune bought me enough breathing room to develop good reaction strategies to burst damage. I've since dropped prison for defensive rune again and gone back to masters staff with reach for CC.

Priyasekarssk

ReachHalo wrote: »

I'm Stormproof (if that means anything these days), complete vet trials no probs, and solo every world boss i come across, bar a few. So, pve speaking, i probably know what I'm doing.

So why are 300CP players wiping the floor with me in Cyrodiil??

I obviously need help with dropping my PVE approach, and gettin my PVP on. And need some help with some base magsorc sets, skills, rotation and CP allocation.

I have gold Necro, BSW, Julianos, Mechanical Acuity armour sets, endless maelstrom staves, asylum staves, willpower etc. While i have tried to read other posts on op pvp magsorc builds, i really just want to be alot more competitive in pvp.

Suggestions??

Quit sorc. All NBs & DKs will come here advise you disguising themselves as sorc . Their aim is to make another cannon fodder, because many are quiting sorc. Nothing will work out. Trust me. There is nothing an sorc can do which other classes cannot do including shield stacking. Magic sorc doesnt have any overpowered strategies on their ablities and get struck with sustain sets rather than damage sets.
Convert into stamsorc or just limit sorc to PVE duties. Create a seperate NB or DK for PVP , like I did and make it your main. Thats my honest opinion. Magic sorc is not viable for PVP unless you cheat or hack.. There is also future nerfs planned for sorc and buffs for NBs & DKs. Think about it.

Minalan

1. Respec everything into stamina. Get a seventh legion set of heavy.
2. Use hurricane, dark deal, streak, and the rest stamina skills
3. Farm a pair of VDSA bleed axes. Spin 2 Win.
4. ????
5. Profit!

oxygen_thief

Waffennacht

Imo Im kinda glad sorcerer (mag) is becoming less popular, I plan on using mine more.

I has an idea for what I want to do.

If it works out I'll post it

oxygen_thief

it wont be less popular because nothing has changed for zerg sorcs.

Waffennacht

oxygen_thief wrote: »

it wont be less popular because nothing has changed for zerg sorcs.

Zergs, Cyrodiil, bah.

I can find other ways to waste 20 min trying to find something to do.

BGs is where it's at

iCaliban

For BG's ive been using this build: all impen, shackle breaker + spinners, master destro front bar, vma resto back bar,

front bar skills: reach, curse, ward, frags, fury, meteor
back bar skills: mutagen, healing ward, endless storm, streak, surge, atronach.

atronach is main ult dump, helps keep pressure on mag dks which sorcs can struggle against.

Tri stat big pieces, mag small. Witchmothers food. Immovable pots with spell crit.

Played a few hundred matches on this build, works well.

leepalmer95

Mag sorc is one of these classes that used to be great at killing bad players yet sucks when anyone you fight has a brain.

Now with the fact it's not got a decent cc again it's only mediocre at killing bad players and you basically can't burst anything in heavy, any dk's, any warden or any magplars because they all combat you're very predictable and obvious burst combo too easily.

I'm not sure fi you play solo/ duo/ small group or zerg. But if solo/ duo/ small group then play anything stam as you normally need the mobility. A mag dk can be fine but it suffers mobility and can easily be caught out by lots of people in which case it dies pretty fast, magplar can also be good but suffers the same problem.

If in a zerg then play whatever class on whatever build as your skill, build etc.. doesn't matter as the zerg will cover your healing, revive you instantly and help you 2k skill dmg with 15+ of their own to cover your dmg. I'd suggest a mag templar as the most brain dead easy mode but super effective in zergs class. All you gotta do is sit there on a tank build and heal the entire zerg while being cross healed by 8 other magplars to become unkillable.



But if you're going to stick with mag sorc here is what i'd run:

2x shadowrend
5x necro
3x lich jewellery + lich infused resto with berserker enchant
Willpower inferno nirn with shock enchant.

Inferno bar: Crushing shock, curse, frag, fury, rune cage. Ult Ice comet/ dawnbreaker of smiting.
Resto bar: Harness, hardened, healing ward, power surge, streak Ult: Overload

Overload bar: Hardened, dark deal, boundless storm, Mines, Streak.


With this you will have 50k magicka which you need because shields get absolutely melted in pvp. If you ever come across 2 players who aren't brain dead zergers then you will die, thats just mag sorc now.

Basic rotation is curse, crushing shock, rune prison, frag if proc'd if not crushing into fury. Swap the first crushing shock with frag into prison if frag proc's off curse.

Meteor combo.
Curse, ice comet which causes them to block which lets you rune cage them, frag if proc'd if not crushing shock, fury.

Dawnbreaker
Curse, DB, frag if not crushing, fury.

But like i said these combo's are so easily countered and even if you get them off if someone is in heavy and has like 24k hp you won't get close to burst them and they'll just heal to full.

Some people go master inferno and use flame clench as a cc yet that means your cc become reflectable and if someone blocks you literally cannot do anything.


My advice is to pick another class or go stam sorc.

Waffennacht

GD I really did not have fun on my mag sorc last night

@leepalmer95 is pretty dead on; people with PvP experience can make it rough

Finviuswe

I've seen flawless conqeuerors in PvP whom if it weren't for the title you may assume are unable to tie their own shoes

The two don't translate

With that being said, you can learn both and be good in both. But they are totally different playstyles

LegendaryMage

Amber/Shackle/Rend & Spell Power pots with Clockwork buff. This will give you plenty of recoveries and with precise weapons around 55% spell crit.

Use double dot and backbar cost increase poisons since precise doesn't synergize with many enchants except maybe extra damage to undead and daedra.

Your damage will be pretty much the same to targets with good critical resistance (as it would be with other weapon traits), but you will do a lot more damage to less experienced PVPers, giving you an easier time when outnumbered.

Your CP placement and skills are very important too, but I can't go into that right now as it's very subjective and it would take a wall of text explaining everything.

One thing to note is that if you build around these high end PVE pots, you can afford not to run skills that others will have to. Mainly sorcery & spell crit buffs. And almost 1k hp recovery is a nice little bonus too.

This gear combo will also allow you to run 3x spell damage glyphs on amber jewelry, which is a good damage boost across the board.

Also, when you find yourself low on magicka, one very good sustain trick is to get tactician in CPs Atronach tree, and then since you have superb stam management, use that to dodge and refill magicka quickly when you're low via a resto heavy. Invest 10.15% into extra resources via a heavy attack also and you'll stack all the %s ridiculously high via offbalance.

josh.lackey_ESO

Make another character, stamblade or stamden is the strongest. Mag Sorc is not good right now. Shields getting nerfed in the next update.

Waffennacht

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Make another character, stamblade or stamden is the strongest. Mag Sorc is not good right now. Shields getting nerfed in the next update.

I'd say play sorc now pre-nerf lol

"Counter play to shields" - what a Noob comment. I mean really, only inexperienced/scrubs can't counter Shields in this Meta.

I can't think of a time since the shield duration Nerf that has had anyone that knows anything actually think Shields are OP.

QQ at it's finest

NoBull

Wow ...mag sorc haters everywhere! Ppl will say it's easy PVP but honestly if you can't keep Shields up you're dead... The challenge is to keep Shields up and keep pressure on opponent I've been using master lightning staff I like the stun better than master inferno knock back. Not a fan of rune cage. If you don't have a stun and a fat Stam pool you'll have a horrible time in pvp. As for CP invest points into bastion, I have 66, because Shields down ya dead. Good luck out there.
PS to all you stam rolling running hiding little pansy's when I drop that meteor on your Facebook I promise I'll be dropping my bag on that face... Or a good ol peach sweep

Vapirko

I think this isn’t a popular opinion, but go into cyrodiil or find a 1v1 our even outnumbered fight or a duel, expressly for the purpose of doing nothing but trying to stay alive. Don’t even focus on attacking. Learn how to survive first, kite, LOS. When you can pretty much just sit there and let people hack away at you without panicking and starting to just mash buttons, then you’ll understand your class defenses. You’ll also realize a lot of people can only win when you panic. And with that you’ll learn when you’re okay and when you’re not ok and then start to go offensive. But always focus on sustain and outlasting your opponent unless you know you can finish them in no uncertain terms. The second thing to learn is your burst combo. But tbh Magicka sorcs are gonna be in a very rough place next patch. If the changes go through as they are on PTS, I doubt very much if even the best Magicka sorcs will be able to put up a good fight.

leepalmer95

Vapirko wrote: »

I think this isn’t a popular opinion, but go into cyrodiil or find a 1v1 our even outnumbered fight or a duel, expressly for the purpose of doing nothing but trying to stay alive. Don’t even focus on attacking. Learn how to survive first, kite, LOS. When you can pretty much just sit there and let people hack away at you without panicking and starting to just mash buttons, then you’ll understand your class defenses. You’ll also realize a lot of people can only win when you panic. And with that you’ll learn when you’re okay and when you’re not ok and then start to go offensive. But always focus on sustain and outlasting your opponent unless you know you can finish them in no uncertain terms. The second thing to learn is your burst combo. But tbh Magicka sorcs are gonna be in a very rough place next patch. If the changes go through as they are on PTS, I doubt very much if even the best Magicka sorcs will be able to put up a good fight.

May as well tell him to reroll with warden or something for next patch.

Lord_Etrigan

At this point and with the incoming nerfs, nothing you do is gonna "Help a 780CP Magsorc not suck at PVP" LOL

ZarkingFrued

Petition ZOS for a class change token, these nerfs will wreck you