Swift Trait: GOOD OR BAD?

Æterny

I'm thinking about crafting 3 accessories with the swift trait to share between my Magplar and my Magdk for PvP. But does the 3k resources loss worth the extra mobility, or will dump the damage way too much?
I see ppl saying that its wonderful and helped, and some ppl saying its bad and never worth to use. What are your experience with it?

Thanks for helping.

Waffennacht

Worth

I've never heard anyone say it's awful and I'd be highly skeptical of people whom say it is

Starlock

Depends entirely on your gameplay priorities, like everything in this game. I find it worth it when it fits the character, but unfortuantely the only way to get the trait on dropped sets is to transmute which makes it nonviable for me.

Fiktius

Worth

It depends really how you create your build and what you want to sacrifice in order to use Swift traits on jewellery.
I'm loving extra speed with my mag DK and focused on getting needed resources elsewhere.

Æterny

Waffennacht wrote: »

I've never heard anyone say it's awful and I'd be highly skeptical of people whom say it is

Yeah, i asked around zone chat and guild chat. Some ppl said it was bad. Thats where the doubt came from.

Starlock wrote: »

Depends entirely on your gameplay priorities, like everything in this game. I find it worth it when it fits the character, but unfortuantely the only way to get the trait on dropped sets is to transmute which makes it nonviable for me.

I'll Craft it on Axiom set to share between my Magplar and MagDK, so no need for transmute =D

Starlock

Æterny wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I've never heard anyone say it's awful and I'd be highly skeptical of people whom say it is

Yeah, i asked around zone chat and guild chat. Some ppl said it was bad. Thats where the doubt came from.

Starlock wrote: »

Depends entirely on your gameplay priorities, like everything in this game. I find it worth it when it fits the character, but unfortuantely the only way to get the trait on dropped sets is to transmute which makes it nonviable for me.

I'll Craft it on Axiom set to share between my Magplar and MagDK, so no need for transmute =D

Cool! The character I would use it on doesn’t use any crafted sets, unfortunately. I transmuted her necklace and then went ‘mkay... good enough’ lol. It’s great on a stealth/thief character. Probably useful in PvP too, but that’s not really my thing so I wouldn’t know.

Waffennacht

Worth

It's highly recommend for a lot of builds in PvP

It even has it's uses in the new dungeons in PvE O.o;

Recremen

Worth

While nobody is going to know your build like you do, it is definitely working out for a lot of people in a lot of situations, even when just wearing one or two pieces. If you're wearing all three in swift and have properly golded out your jewelry then that's like having Major Expedition on you at all time for free except it STACKS with major expedition. That ought to save you 3k in sprint costs alone.

Mister_DMC

Worth

Swift is nothing short of amazing, no other trait has made as big an impact as speed. Mobility equals life.

Raammzzaa

Worth

If you are going for speed, whether to kite, scroll run, etc. Swift is the way to go.

Aliyavana

Worth

swift is friggin amazing

Septimus_Magna

Worth

People who say swift is bad underestimate the power of positioning in pvp. Stam builds waste less stamina sprinting and can LoS better. Mag builds are usually slow with small stam pools for sprinting so its a massive benefit for them as well.

JackDaniell

Worth

Swift is prety much bis for open world pvp (for most builds mag or stam).

The movement speed alone is probably the single biggest determining factor to survival when facing oopponents outnumbered. Speed lets you split thier numbers.

As for PvE... its great for farming nodes OH YEAH!!!!!

Kadoin

Speed was always the best stat in PvP (especially when outnumbered)...now you can get it easier than ever, how can it be bad?

Drakkdjinn

Worth

So OP its necessary regardless of your class/resource.

Æterny

Awessome, thank you bois and grillz. No more doubts now. =D

zaria

Æterny wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I've never heard anyone say it's awful and I'd be highly skeptical of people whom say it is

Yeah, i asked around zone chat and guild chat. Some ppl said it was bad. Thats where the doubt came from.

Starlock wrote: »

Depends entirely on your gameplay priorities, like everything in this game. I find it worth it when it fits the character, but unfortuantely the only way to get the trait on dropped sets is to transmute which makes it nonviable for me.

I'll Craft it on Axiom set to share between my Magplar and MagDK, so no need for transmute =D

Never trust people in zone, be skeptical to people in guild even good players. Some who are CP1000 and do vet trials is unlikely to know much about healer builds if they never made an healer, or just made one to get fast dungeon queues then leveling.

zaria

JackDaniell wrote: »

Swift is prety much bis for open world pvp (for most builds mag or stam).

The movement speed alone is probably the single biggest determining factor to survival when facing oopponents outnumbered. Speed lets you split thier numbers.

As for PvE... its great for farming nodes OH YEAH!!!!!

Yes, its pointless in trials or dungeons, as you say very nice in PvP the same way speed is nice on an fighter jet, you can successfully intercept or run away. PvE in overland, you don't need high dps, speed is more important.

kessik221

Worth

Last patch I cranked out jewelry and made 3 swift and dominated everyone with my speed. Now it seems like everyone and their mother runs swift. It sure is fun to be able to walk faster than normal people sprint.

lpw

Worth

It's worth it but I wouldn't say not on all three jewellery. Maybe not even two.

Transmute one to swift and give it a go. You will notice the difference in a 9-10% speed increase.

This means you're only losing ~1k resource.

Finviuswe

Worth

Beneficial for all classes, more or less universally agreed on to be a good idea to slot. Yes, 3 swift is absolutely worth the minor decrease in max stats you will receive.

840x3= 2520 max resource. Which is equal to ~240 wpn/spell dmg given the accepted conversion rate of 10.5 (rounded) max resource to 1 wpn/spell dmg.

There, I just calculated it out for you/anyone who happens to read this.

240 wpn dmg is not a whole lot, especially now when people are stacking higher dmg than ever before coming from various sources. This is in exchange for potentially a 30% permanent increase in movement speed. That is a huge buff. You stack that with major expedition (various ways to get this), and you are able to escape from nearly any situation, and you will be significantly harder to hit, especially when at melee range.

No question swift is performing great rn, which is why so many people are running it.

Moonsorrow

Worth

Totally worth it. Swift is awesome.

The only downside is.. when you start to use them, its hard to go back to a regular speed builds, so the urge to put atleast 1 on is big.

Wollust

Worth

Swift is absolutely amazing. And borderline broken imo. The speed you can achieve justifies the loss of resources easily. And it works really well with magplar and magdk using mist form.

Æterny

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Beneficial for all classes, more or less universally agreed on to be a good idea to slot. Yes, 3 swift is absolutely worth the minor decrease in max stats you will receive.

840x3= 2520 max resource. Which is equal to ~240 wpn/spell dmg given the accepted conversion rate of 10.5 (rounded) max resource to 1 wpn/spell dmg.

There, I just calculated it out for you/anyone who happens to read this.

240 wpn dmg is not a whole lot, especially now when people are stacking higher dmg than ever before coming from various sources. This is in exchange for potentially a 30% permanent increase in movement speed. That is a huge buff. You stack that with major expedition (various ways to get this), and you are able to escape from nearly any situation, and you will be significantly harder to hit, especially when at melee range.

No question swift is performing great rn, which is why so many people are running it.

Thank you for this.

Wollust wrote: »

Swift is absolutely amazing. And borderline broken imo. The speed you can achieve justifies the loss of resources easily. And it works really well with magplar and magdk using mist form.

I was thinking about dropping vampire and going for the Psijic skill, i feel like there are way too many Master Inferno Staffs around spamming Fire Clench...

Mojomonkeyman

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Beneficial for all classes, more or less universally agreed on to be a good idea to slot. Yes, 3 swift is absolutely worth the minor decrease in max stats you will receive.

840x3= 2520 max resource. Which is equal to ~240 wpn/spell dmg given the accepted conversion rate of 10.5 (rounded) max resource to 1 wpn/spell dmg.

There, I just calculated it out for you/anyone who happens to read this.

240 wpn dmg is not a whole lot, especially now when people are stacking higher dmg than ever before coming from various sources. This is in exchange for potentially a 30% permanent increase in movement speed. That is a huge buff. You stack that with major expedition (various ways to get this), and you are able to escape from nearly any situation, and you will be significantly harder to hit, especially when at melee range.

No question swift is performing great rn, which is why so many people are running it.

Swift is overperforming in certain cases. But your calculation is strange. If you try to compare to dmg stat you would obviously have to compare to 3x infused dmg gold (278-169=109x3=327) - and to be fair you would also have to give it the major dmg buff treatment (since everyone is runnning it), so 327x1.2=392.4. You give up almost 400 dmg/regen to slot 3x swift when comparing 3x gold swift to 3x gold infused dmg/regen.

The funny part is, swift is still stronger than the 400 wpn dmg on ha stamina builds.

Finviuswe

Worth

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Beneficial for all classes, more or less universally agreed on to be a good idea to slot. Yes, 3 swift is absolutely worth the minor decrease in max stats you will receive.

840x3= 2520 max resource. Which is equal to ~240 wpn/spell dmg given the accepted conversion rate of 10.5 (rounded) max resource to 1 wpn/spell dmg.

There, I just calculated it out for you/anyone who happens to read this.

240 wpn dmg is not a whole lot, especially now when people are stacking higher dmg than ever before coming from various sources. This is in exchange for potentially a 30% permanent increase in movement speed. That is a huge buff. You stack that with major expedition (various ways to get this), and you are able to escape from nearly any situation, and you will be significantly harder to hit, especially when at melee range.

No question swift is performing great rn, which is why so many people are running it.

Swift is overperforming in certain cases. But your calculation is strange. If you try to compare to dmg stat you would obviously have to compare to 3x infused gold (278-169=109x3=327) - and to be fair you would also have to give it the major dmg buff treatment (since everyone is runnning it), so 327x1.2=392.4. You give up 400 wpn/spell dmg to slot 3x swift.

The funny part is, swift is still stronger than the 400 wpn dmg on ha stamina builds.

No, your logic is funky next

No thank you, kind sir, I won't be needing any of that today

Mojomonkeyman

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Beneficial for all classes, more or less universally agreed on to be a good idea to slot. Yes, 3 swift is absolutely worth the minor decrease in max stats you will receive.

840x3= 2520 max resource. Which is equal to ~240 wpn/spell dmg given the accepted conversion rate of 10.5 (rounded) max resource to 1 wpn/spell dmg.

There, I just calculated it out for you/anyone who happens to read this.

240 wpn dmg is not a whole lot, especially now when people are stacking higher dmg than ever before coming from various sources. This is in exchange for potentially a 30% permanent increase in movement speed. That is a huge buff. You stack that with major expedition (various ways to get this), and you are able to escape from nearly any situation, and you will be significantly harder to hit, especially when at melee range.

No question swift is performing great rn, which is why so many people are running it.

Swift is overperforming in certain cases. But your calculation is strange. If you try to compare to dmg stat you would obviously have to compare to 3x infused gold (278-169=109x3=327) - and to be fair you would also have to give it the major dmg buff treatment (since everyone is runnning it), so 327x1.2=392.4. You give up 400 wpn/spell dmg to slot 3x swift.

The funny part is, swift is still stronger than the 400 wpn dmg on ha stamina builds.

No, your logic is funky next

No thank you, kind sir, I won't be needing any of that today

You would obviously compare swift to the best performing trade-off not the worst within the parameters you set (swift vs dmg stat)... If that's how you theorycraft - well, gg good night.

Finviuswe

Worth

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Beneficial for all classes, more or less universally agreed on to be a good idea to slot. Yes, 3 swift is absolutely worth the minor decrease in max stats you will receive.

840x3= 2520 max resource. Which is equal to ~240 wpn/spell dmg given the accepted conversion rate of 10.5 (rounded) max resource to 1 wpn/spell dmg.

There, I just calculated it out for you/anyone who happens to read this.

240 wpn dmg is not a whole lot, especially now when people are stacking higher dmg than ever before coming from various sources. This is in exchange for potentially a 30% permanent increase in movement speed. That is a huge buff. You stack that with major expedition (various ways to get this), and you are able to escape from nearly any situation, and you will be significantly harder to hit, especially when at melee range.

No question swift is performing great rn, which is why so many people are running it.

Swift is overperforming in certain cases. But your calculation is strange. If you try to compare to dmg stat you would obviously have to compare to 3x infused gold (278-169=109x3=327) - and to be fair you would also have to give it the major dmg buff treatment (since everyone is runnning it), so 327x1.2=392.4. You give up 400 wpn/spell dmg to slot 3x swift.

The funny part is, swift is still stronger than the 400 wpn dmg on ha stamina builds.

No, your logic is funky next

No thank you, kind sir, I won't be needing any of that today

You would obviously compare swift to the best performing trade-off not the worst within the parameters you set (swift vs dmg stat)... If that's how you theorycraft - well, gg good night.

No, because way fewer people are running infused in general than arcane how are you forgetting that part ?

So no, you compare it to what most people are running, and to what the OP is running. You read it ?

Æterny wrote: »

But does the 3k resources loss

FloppyTouch

Worth

Just tried it on my mdk and it was a lost of magic but being able to stay behind enemy's and LoS better was amazing. Was able to drop being a vamp drop mist form and but reflective plate on.

Mojomonkeyman

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Beneficial for all classes, more or less universally agreed on to be a good idea to slot. Yes, 3 swift is absolutely worth the minor decrease in max stats you will receive.

840x3= 2520 max resource. Which is equal to ~240 wpn/spell dmg given the accepted conversion rate of 10.5 (rounded) max resource to 1 wpn/spell dmg.

There, I just calculated it out for you/anyone who happens to read this.

240 wpn dmg is not a whole lot, especially now when people are stacking higher dmg than ever before coming from various sources. This is in exchange for potentially a 30% permanent increase in movement speed. That is a huge buff. You stack that with major expedition (various ways to get this), and you are able to escape from nearly any situation, and you will be significantly harder to hit, especially when at melee range.

No question swift is performing great rn, which is why so many people are running it.

Swift is overperforming in certain cases. But your calculation is strange. If you try to compare to dmg stat you would obviously have to compare to 3x infused gold (278-169=109x3=327) - and to be fair you would also have to give it the major dmg buff treatment (since everyone is runnning it), so 327x1.2=392.4. You give up 400 wpn/spell dmg to slot 3x swift.

The funny part is, swift is still stronger than the 400 wpn dmg on ha stamina builds.

No, your logic is funky next

No thank you, kind sir, I won't be needing any of that today

You would obviously compare swift to the best performing trade-off not the worst within the parameters you set (swift vs dmg stat)... If that's how you theorycraft - well, gg good night.

No, because way fewer people are running infused in general than arcane how are you forgetting that part ?

So no, you compare it to what most people are running, and to what the OP is running. You read it ?

Æterny wrote: »

But does the 3k resources loss

Pretty much every single stamina heavy armor PvP build will chose infused over robust since the damage multipliers & sets favor that. From what I hear infused is also more beneficial for stam PvE than robust. I highly doubt anything but dedicated max magicka/stamina/health builds would go for their respective main stat jewelry trait instead of infused.

So in short, we disagree here. My guess is the overall majority of ESO builds would opt for infused instead of robust/arcane when min/maxing.

Finviuswe

Worth

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Beneficial for all classes, more or less universally agreed on to be a good idea to slot. Yes, 3 swift is absolutely worth the minor decrease in max stats you will receive.

840x3= 2520 max resource. Which is equal to ~240 wpn/spell dmg given the accepted conversion rate of 10.5 (rounded) max resource to 1 wpn/spell dmg.

There, I just calculated it out for you/anyone who happens to read this.

240 wpn dmg is not a whole lot, especially now when people are stacking higher dmg than ever before coming from various sources. This is in exchange for potentially a 30% permanent increase in movement speed. That is a huge buff. You stack that with major expedition (various ways to get this), and you are able to escape from nearly any situation, and you will be significantly harder to hit, especially when at melee range.

No question swift is performing great rn, which is why so many people are running it.

Swift is overperforming in certain cases. But your calculation is strange. If you try to compare to dmg stat you would obviously have to compare to 3x infused gold (278-169=109x3=327) - and to be fair you would also have to give it the major dmg buff treatment (since everyone is runnning it), so 327x1.2=392.4. You give up 400 wpn/spell dmg to slot 3x swift.

The funny part is, swift is still stronger than the 400 wpn dmg on ha stamina builds.

No, your logic is funky next

No thank you, kind sir, I won't be needing any of that today

You would obviously compare swift to the best performing trade-off not the worst within the parameters you set (swift vs dmg stat)... If that's how you theorycraft - well, gg good night.

No, because way fewer people are running infused in general than arcane how are you forgetting that part ?

So no, you compare it to what most people are running, and to what the OP is running. You read it ?

Æterny wrote: »

But does the 3k resources loss

Pretty much every single stamina heavy armor PvP build will chose infused over robust since the damage multipliers & sets favor that. From what I hear infused is also more beneficial for stam PvE than robust. I highly doubt anything but dedicated max magicka/stamina/health builds would go for their respective main stat jewelry trait instead of infused.

So in short, we disagree here. My guess is the overall majority of ESO builds would opt for infused instead of robust/arcane when min/maxing.

when min maxing. Not everyone is into that, most people do not do that, most people aren't running infused so what I said is very relevant

But, you got a point there, bud! Infused is a great and possibly underrated trait. But if you just blow up all the traits, they get nerfed, theres no more good traits anymore