Alliance Shrines - Skills, Morphs, and Attributes

Yamakaziing

I don’t have 7 k to spare every time I want to swap my skills around for pve. Be smarter about this and make it free.

Bouldercleave

They need the money sink. 7k is a pittance.

Sorry, but I don't see this going away.

CyberSkooma

How many times are you redoing your skills to have this actually be a problem?

OrphanHelgen

CyberSkooma wrote: »

How many times are you redoing your skills to have this actually be a problem?

Common question from many players.
I can confirm the cost of respec champion points, attributes and skills are very very expensive for those who actually play on one character only.

CyberSkooma

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

How many times are you redoing your skills to have this actually be a problem?

Common question from many players.
I can confirm the cost of respec champion points, attributes and skills are very very expensive for those who actually play on one character only.

I mean if you're only playing one character for PvP and PvE I guess I can see how it would be problematic. At that point I'd recommend just making an alt, man. I have characters for PvP and PvE separately and I never have to pay for respecs. But, of course, I'm not going to tell anybody how they should play their game.

JasonSilverSpring

Other than switching morphs you should have plenty of skill points to get the skills needed. Like it or not, the game is not designed for frequent skill point changes.

pauli133

There is no shortage of skill points available. Currently, what, 407?

If you're respeccing on a routine basis and don't like the costs, pay attention to the negative reinforcement the game is giving you for your actions. Alts are your friends.

OrphanHelgen

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I mean if you're only playing one character for PvP and PvE I guess I can see how it would be problematic. At that point I'd recommend just making an alt, man. I have characters for PvP and PvE separately and I never have to pay for respecs. But, of course, I'm not going to tell anybody how they should play their game.[/quote]

Ty I do have 8 alts all max level, but I prefere one character as one of the reason being achievenents not being account whide. And getting a grand overlord without exploiting doesn't happend over night, then working on achievements like no death in moon hunter keep or ticktock. Also trying different setups for different situations. You can thank people like this or else it wouldn't be a meta one could google.:)

OrphanHelgen

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Other than switching morphs you should have plenty of skill points to get the skills needed. Like it or not, the game is not designed for frequent skill point changes.

No its not allowing you to have 1 hand and shield / 2 hander for pvp and bow / DW for pve with all skills, and be a crafter at the same time. That is not enough skill points really 100% confirming this, please stop say its enough skill points, go do calculations no its not.

CyberSkooma

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I mean if you're only playing one character for PvP and PvE I guess I can see how it would be problematic. At that point I'd recommend just making an alt, man. I have characters for PvP and PvE separately and I never have to pay for respecs. But, of course, I'm not going to tell anybody how they should play their game.[/quote]

Ty I do have 8 alts all max level, but I prefere one character as one of the reason being achievenents not being account whide. And getting a grand overlord without exploiting doesn't happend over night, then working on achievements like no death in moon hunter keep or ticktock. Also trying different setups for different situations. You can thank people like this or else it wouldn't be a meta one could google.:)
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If you're open to it, there is an addon called (i believe) Global Achievement Tracker in which it tracks them by account AND character.

Yamakaziing

Simply put I don’t sell much. Any gold I make usually comes from AP buying and selling soul gems. 75k AP = 3k gold.

Beardimus

I don't care about the cost

But at the alliance gate would be epic. Rather than traveling out to reset one morph

Beardimus

Yamakaziing wrote: »

Simply put I don’t sell much. Any gold I make usually comes from AP buying and selling soul gems. 75k AP = 3k gold.

Dude that's really not a good exchange rate at all.

Taleof2Cities

Yamakaziing wrote: »

Simply put I don’t sell much. Any gold I make usually comes from AP buying and selling soul gems. 75k AP = 3k gold.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Other than switching morphs you should have plenty of skill points to get the skills needed. Like it or not, the game is not designed for frequent skill point changes.

No its not allowing you to have 1 hand and shield / 2 hander for pvp and bow / DW for pve with all skills, and be a crafter at the same time. That is not enough skill points really 100% confirming this, please stop say its enough skill points, go do calculations no its not.

Here is a screenshot that easily disputes this claim ... and this character has not done much of the Summerset content.

Has all crafting, class lines, three weapon lines, mages guild, and various passives.

You just have to be diligent about obtaining skill points.

The OP just needs to stop being lazy ... either: (a) get more skill points, (b) find more efficient ways to make gold ... or (c) create an alt character that specializes in PvE or PvP.

Jhalin

If you wanna dps, tank, craft, PvE, and PvP all on one toon. You’re gonna have to respec often. However, you rarely have to do more than change morphs, which is only 1500g afaik.

I need the last three skillpoints from Fang Lair and the Wolfhunter dungeons, but otherwise I have every PvE obtainable skill point in the game (and up to Legionare from PvP). I’m currently down to 6 useable skillpoints because I enjoy doing everything on my main, and I have all unlocked skills for that and then some.

The only time I’m going to fully respec is when I’m done with researching traits so I can free up those 9 skillpoints.

Striken7

With respect to the "there's not enough skill points" idea: If your running out of skill points (assuming you have most of the available skill points), then you're spending points where they don't really have any benefit.

Keen Eye is practically useless for Blacksmithing, Woodworking, Jewelry Crafting, and Enchanting, as those are all very easily seen in the world. It's not really needed at all for the others, but I'm counting them because the plants can be harder to see for some. You also don't need points to reduce research times either once your research is done. Without those, that makes 128 skill points for an end-game crafter with all crafts. There's more that are probably not necessary, but I'm keeping them to purposefully get a high number.

You need 9 Skill points for all your Racial passives and 2 points for the Soul Lock passive (the only one that might be useful from Soul Magic). 20 skill points for all the Legerdemain passives, 12 skill points for all the Assault and Support passives, and 51 skill points for all the passives for all the Guilds (Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, etc.) Assuming someone actually uses all of these on one character is a stretch, particularly the Dark Brotherhood passives which are mostly sub-par, but I'm counting them all anyway.

33 skill points for all Armor passives (assuming you need to switch between all three). 24 skill points for all the class passives. 10 skill points for either Vampire or Werewolf passives (assuming you are one), and 40 skill points for weapon passives (assuming 4 weapon types). For your 4 bars of 6 skills each, assuming you use 24 different skills with no overlap, that adds 48 skill points.

For a grand total of 377 out of 407 max possible skill points; still room to learn several more skills as well.

To reiterate, this is assuming a hypothetically large number of skill points spent (passives from 4 weapon types, all 3 armor type passives, all guild passives, etc). For a much more likely situation of a character using 2-3 weapons and 1-2 armor types and skipping more of the unused passives, it's just that much easier.

For example: I have maxed all crafts, use a Medium armor build in both PvE and PvE, and have only the class/weapon skills I actually need for my builds (using 2H, Bow, and DW). I skip the passives I know I won't use, and use some of the same skills on both my PvE and PvP bars. I have spent 319 skill points so far.

Urvoth

Yamakaziing wrote: »

I don’t have 7 k to spare every time I want to swap my skills around for pve. Be smarter about this and make it free.

75k for me...

Urvoth

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

How many times are you redoing your skills to have this actually be a problem?

Common question from many players.
I can confirm the cost of respec champion points, attributes and skills are very very expensive for those who actually play on one character only.

CP at least should be free.

Yamakaziing

I do like 10- 15 zones fully for each character and get about 100 skyshards. That’s all I’m doing. Don’t have to make the cost of respecing free but at least make it cost 3k gold instead of absurdly high costs. My templar takes like 24k to respec. With like 300 skill points or something.

Agenericname

Jhalin wrote: »

If you wanna dps, tank, craft, PvE, and PvP all on one toon. You’re gonna have to respec often. However, you rarely have to do more than change morphs, which is only 1500g afaik.

I need the last three skillpoints from Fang Lair and the Wolfhunter dungeons, but otherwise I have every PvE obtainable skill point in the game (and up to Legionare from PvP). I’m currently down to 6 useable skillpoints because I enjoy doing everything on my main, and I have all unlocked skills for that and then some.

The only time I’m going to fully respec is when I’m done with researching traits so I can free up those 9 skillpoints.

If you were wanting to change roles you may actually need to change your attributes, champion points, and morphs.

I enjoy doing everything on my main. The hassle and cost are what keep me from PvPing, or even changing from a magicka to stamina based roles, more often. I'm lacking a few skill points (PvE) from one of the DLC dungeons and a few from the actual DLCs, DB and TG. A dual spec system of some sort could help alleviate some of this, but the points are there.