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Feedback: Change Atronach to permanent pet
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✭✭✭No, all my characters are crafters. Just no. And how are we going to return him when he wonders off, they frazzle their tags and the SPCD catchers? How many cute storm atronarchs are going to be returned to their daedric prince(ss) because you couldn't look after them? I'm joining DETA. And becoming a cannibal.
...lol. You get an awesomeEdited by Valrien on September 7, 2018 2:55PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »Buff the most OP class in the game? No thanks.
Literally does the lowest magicka DPS in PvE and is a one-trick pony in PvP but okay...
Mag wardens would like a word with you
FeaR Turbo would like a word with you
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMeDDHEs3HuIKIxZNpcjCjA
Sorcs are fine. Dummy parses shouldn't influence buffs or nerfs. A good player who plays their class well can still do any content in the game. Leaderboard trial runs arr an exetremely small player base.
And that makes them irrelevant?
They are no less important than you, and most of the time those types of players are HUGE supporters of the game.
Theyre not irrelevant, they can complete any in game content. I have a magicka and stamina version of all classes, everything in this game is important
You implied that people who do the upper-end of endgame content are a small player base and are therefore less relevant despite being larger supporters of the game than even a lot of casual players. I would say every player who pays for the game in some way shape or form matters.
I.e., every class can clear, but not every class can compete. Every class should be able to both clear and compete.
Sorc has the lowest DPS and very little to make up for it that can't just be shoved onto a healer. While they can clear content, this is still a fundamental problem that should somehow be addressed.
I'd be okay with having the lowest DPS if I had some utility to make up for it outside of a single synergy
I think my biggest pet peeve is that Sorc actually does feel like a watered-down Nightblade, and I was hoping with this pet change that it would maybe carve out its own definitive style in PvE
This is how MMORPG's are, and true balance is non existant. Sorcs were top tier for a very long time and to an extent still are. Sorcs still have great utility for all roles, and can still push great DPS numbers. Nightblades being overtuned does not make Sorcs any less relevant. I did not imply that upper end game having a smaller player base signifies less importance, because it doesnt, in the same way that leaderboard efficiency determines what class is good or trash. Every class except magicka wardens have flooded those leaderboards at one time or another.
Nightblades being overturned actually does make almost every other DPS class irrelevant but that's another thread for another time.
And just because "Sorc was good for a long time" (not even close to top tier anymore btw, which bas kinda been my point) doesn't mean they should be bottom tier now.
I'll repost what I posted in another thread:
"Past injustices do not justify current injustices"
Even if Sorc was good before, there is no reason it should be bottom tier now.
The point is that even if theyre lower on the dps scale, theyre still practical in upper class endgame content, and in my opinion, are still in the top choices to bring then say, a mag or stam warden.
Not especially. Because of Master Architect I would personally be more inclined to take a Mag Warden over a Mag Sorc, given similar skill levels and if I was only choosing between Warden and Sorc. Especially if I already had a Sorc healer since you only need one Liquid Lightning.
And Stam Warden would be good just because Stamina naturally has higher DPS (mostly due to Relequen).
Can you name any advantage to bringing a Mag Sorc that isn't Minor Prophecy or Liquid Lightning? The Atro Synergy is pretty nice but that's about all I can think of
What are you even saying? How can you say sorcs aren't wanted in raids?! I'm sure @DuskMarine could provide you with some great insightful reasons as to why sorc is absolute ironclad meta and everyone runs sorc only groups.
Play nice Dymence >_>Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭Considering the agro is finally Good ultimate, now isn’t the time to ask for drastic changes.
I think it would be fine as long as they don't somehow make the atronach trash again.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »Buff the most OP class in the game? No thanks.
Literally does the lowest magicka DPS in PvE and is a one-trick pony in PvP but okay...
Mag wardens would like a word with you
FeaR Turbo would like a word with you
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMeDDHEs3HuIKIxZNpcjCjA
Sorcs are fine. Dummy parses shouldn't influence buffs or nerfs. A good player who plays their class well can still do any content in the game. Leaderboard trial runs arr an exetremely small player base.
And that makes them irrelevant?
They are no less important than you, and most of the time those types of players are HUGE supporters of the game.
Theyre not irrelevant, they can complete any in game content. I have a magicka and stamina version of all classes, everything in this game is important
You implied that people who do the upper-end of endgame content are a small player base and are therefore less relevant despite being larger supporters of the game than even a lot of casual players. I would say every player who pays for the game in some way shape or form matters.
I.e., every class can clear, but not every class can compete. Every class should be able to both clear and compete.
Sorc has the lowest DPS and very little to make up for it that can't just be shoved onto a healer. While they can clear content, this is still a fundamental problem that should somehow be addressed.
I'd be okay with having the lowest DPS if I had some utility to make up for it outside of a single synergy
I think my biggest pet peeve is that Sorc actually does feel like a watered-down Nightblade, and I was hoping with this pet change that it would maybe carve out its own definitive style in PvE
This is how MMORPG's are, and true balance is non existant. Sorcs were top tier for a very long time and to an extent still are. Sorcs still have great utility for all roles, and can still push great DPS numbers. Nightblades being overtuned does not make Sorcs any less relevant. I did not imply that upper end game having a smaller player base signifies less importance, because it doesnt, in the same way that leaderboard efficiency determines what class is good or trash. Every class except magicka wardens have flooded those leaderboards at one time or another.
Nightblades being overturned actually does make almost every other DPS class irrelevant but that's another thread for another time.
And just because "Sorc was good for a long time" (not even close to top tier anymore btw, which bas kinda been my point) doesn't mean they should be bottom tier now.
I'll repost what I posted in another thread:
"Past injustices do not justify current injustices"
Even if Sorc was good before, there is no reason it should be bottom tier now.
The point is that even if theyre lower on the dps scale, theyre still practical in upper class endgame content, and in my opinion, are still in the top choices to bring then say, a mag or stam warden.
Not especially. Because of Master Architect I would personally be more inclined to take a Mag Warden over a Mag Sorc, given similar skill levels and if I was only choosing between Warden and Sorc. Especially if I already had a Sorc healer since you only need one Liquid Lightning.
And Stam Warden would be good just because Stamina naturally has higher DPS (mostly due to Relequen).
Can you name any advantage to bringing a Mag Sorc that isn't Minor Prophecy or Liquid Lightning? The Atro Synergy is pretty nice but that's about all I can think of
What are you even saying? How can you say sorcs aren't wanted in raids?! I'm sure @DuskMarine could provide you with some great insightful reasons as to why sorc is absolute ironclad meta and everyone runs sorc only groups.
Play nice Dymence >_>
Noone took my bait
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And that’s the point. Changing it increases the chance it’ll be trash again.
But if that’s what people want, go for it.0 -
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And that’s the point. Changing it increases the chance it’ll be trash again.
But if that’s what people want, go for it.
As does any change, but Sorc needs some kind of love and I thought this was one of the more creative buffs presented.
Plus most of my ideas would be seen as OP by the community just by virtue of them being buffs to Sorcerer and therefore bad.
The community kinda has an...awful view of Sorcs.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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And that’s the point. Changing it increases the chance it’ll be trash again.
But if that’s what people want, go for it.
As does any change, but Sorc needs some kind of love and I thought this was one of the more creative buffs presented.
Plus most of my ideas would be seen as OP by the community just by virtue of them being buffs to Sorcerer and therefore bad.
The community kinda has an...awful view of Sorcs.
So change one of the best things about the class and roll the dice it’ll be trashed. Great idea.
Let me provide a little bit of the big picture. Since the current design is stationary there is a risk the target could move out of range. I think we can both agree on that.
Making it into something mobile Zos will likely look at trade offs since that risk will be removed. What do you think that trade off will be? I don’t think it’ll be increasing the damage it does. All me foolish but that doesn’t seem to be it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭One option that might work is letting you recast atro a la Shifting Standard.
It wouldn't exactly be a straight buff, as it would consume a GCD to reposition it, but it might be interesting. Would require the "summon" animation to be faster, too.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
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And that’s the point. Changing it increases the chance it’ll be trash again.
But if that’s what people want, go for it.
As does any change, but Sorc needs some kind of love and I thought this was one of the more creative buffs presented.
Plus most of my ideas would be seen as OP by the community just by virtue of them being buffs to Sorcerer and therefore bad.
The community kinda has an...awful view of Sorcs.
So change one of the best things about the class and roll the dice it’ll be trashed. Great idea.
Let me provide a little bit of the big picture. Since the current design is stationary there is a risk the target could move out of range. I think we can both agree on that.
Making it into something mobile Zos will likely look at trade offs since that risk will be removed. What do you think that trade off will be? I don’t think it’ll be increasing the damage it does. All me foolish but that doesn’t seem to be it.
Considering that ZOS frequently nerfs Sorc with no tradeoffs, it's only fair that Sorc gets buffs with no strings attached.
Plus, people will never ever go for a direct buff to Sorc for some reason so you may as well just rework some things to give it an indirect buffValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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And that’s the point. Changing it increases the chance it’ll be trash again.
But if that’s what people want, go for it.
As does any change, but Sorc needs some kind of love and I thought this was one of the more creative buffs presented.
Plus most of my ideas would be seen as OP by the community just by virtue of them being buffs to Sorcerer and therefore bad.
The community kinda has an...awful view of Sorcs.
So change one of the best things about the class and roll the dice it’ll be trashed. Great idea.
Let me provide a little bit of the big picture. Since the current design is stationary there is a risk the target could move out of range. I think we can both agree on that.
Making it into something mobile Zos will likely look at trade offs since that risk will be removed. What do you think that trade off will be? I don’t think it’ll be increasing the damage it does. All me foolish but that doesn’t seem to be it.
Considering that ZOS frequently nerfs Sorc with no tradeoffs, it's only fair that Sorc gets buffs with no strings attached.
Plus, people will never ever go for a direct buff to Sorc for some reason so you may as well just rework some things to give it an indirect buff
Since you seem to think that’s the way Zos does things then let’s go for it. I have a Templar I can fall back on.0 -
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And that’s the point. Changing it increases the chance it’ll be trash again.
But if that’s what people want, go for it.
As does any change, but Sorc needs some kind of love and I thought this was one of the more creative buffs presented.
Plus most of my ideas would be seen as OP by the community just by virtue of them being buffs to Sorcerer and therefore bad.
The community kinda has an...awful view of Sorcs.
So change one of the best things about the class and roll the dice it’ll be trashed. Great idea.
Let me provide a little bit of the big picture. Since the current design is stationary there is a risk the target could move out of range. I think we can both agree on that.
Making it into something mobile Zos will likely look at trade offs since that risk will be removed. What do you think that trade off will be? I don’t think it’ll be increasing the damage it does. All me foolish but that doesn’t seem to be it.
Considering that ZOS frequently nerfs Sorc with no tradeoffs, it's only fair that Sorc gets buffs with no strings attached.
Plus, people will never ever go for a direct buff to Sorc for some reason so you may as well just rework some things to give it an indirect buff
Since you seem to think that’s the way Zos does things then let’s go for it. I have a Templar I can fall back on.
That's the way ZOS should do things. Sorc, however, only deserves nerfs, not buffs.
I can't actually remember the last time Sorc got a proper buff that wasn't just to band-aid fix an issue they created (i.e., Sorc lost their CC so they gave them Rune Cage CC)Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.0 -
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✭✭Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?PC - NACP 1125
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✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
Eh, to be fair I hate them in their current state. I was thinking of giving them another try though
But yeah Sorcs are basically watered-down Magblades without petsEdited by Valrien on September 7, 2018 8:45PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
I like being a lightning and dark magic mage.0 -
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✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
I like being a lightning and dark magic mage.
Shame that we only use one lightning and one dark magic skill in PvE then...not even lightning staves Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
I like being a lightning and dark magic mage.
Shame that we only use one lightning and one dark magic skill in PvE then...not even lightning staves
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I PvP all the time as well though, so I use most of the storm calling skills for that.0 -
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✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
I like being a lightning and dark magic mage.
Shame that we only use one lightning and one dark magic skill in PvE then...not even lightning staves
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I PvP all the time as well though, so I use most of the storm calling skills for that.
Kind of shameful that 75% of Sorc skills are straight up trash though, eh?
Passives and actives alikeValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
I like being a lightning and dark magic mage.
Shame that we only use one lightning and one dark magic skill in PvE then...not even lightning staves
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I PvP all the time as well though, so I use most of the storm calling skills for that.
Kind of shameful that 75% of Sorc skills are straight up trash though, eh?
Passives and actives alike
Yeah, we've been due for a bit of an overhaul for awhile now imo.0 -
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✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
I like being a lightning and dark magic mage.
Shame that we only use one lightning and one dark magic skill in PvE then...not even lightning staves
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I PvP all the time as well though, so I use most of the storm calling skills for that.
Kind of shameful that 75% of Sorc skills are straight up trash though, eh?
Passives and actives alike
Yeah, we've been due for a bit of an overhaul for awhile now imo.
Don't let the rest of the forums hear that.
They'll crucify you.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
I like being a lightning and dark magic mage.
Shame that we only use one lightning and one dark magic skill in PvE then...not even lightning staves
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I PvP all the time as well though, so I use most of the storm calling skills for that.
Kind of shameful that 75% of Sorc skills are straight up trash though, eh?
Passives and actives alike
Yeah, we've been due for a bit of an overhaul for awhile now imo.
Don't let the rest of the forums hear that.
They'll crucify you.
I mean sorc's sustain is terrible and there isn't really any reason to take one in a trial over a magblade. In PvP, sorcs can still do alright but they are very shoe horned as to what they can do. It would be nice to get a class spammable, have boundless storm remove snares, and have the increasing cost of streak reduced. Plus the 3rd bar option of overload is kind of negated with how clunky it is.0 -
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✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Nah, I'm a sorc and I hate pets. I only like the atro because he's not constant and does a lot of damage and an aoe stun when you summon him, making him pretty useful for PvP and PvE. Having him as a constant pet would just get annoying and ZOS would have to nerf his damage or else it would be insanely op. He's nice how he is currently and fits a good niche.
Wow, a sorc that hates pets. Why aren't you a magblade then?
I like being a lightning and dark magic mage.
Shame that we only use one lightning and one dark magic skill in PvE then...not even lightning staves
Yeah, it's unfortunate. I PvP all the time as well though, so I use most of the storm calling skills for that.
Kind of shameful that 75% of Sorc skills are straight up trash though, eh?
Passives and actives alike
Yeah, we've been due for a bit of an overhaul for awhile now imo.
Don't let the rest of the forums hear that.
They'll crucify you.
I mean sorc's sustain is terrible and there isn't really any reason to take one in a trial over a magblade. In PvP, sorcs can still do alright but they are very shoe horned as to what they can do. It would be nice to get a class spammable, have boundless storm remove snares, and have the increasing cost of streak reduced. Plus the 3rd bar option of overload is kind of negated with how clunky it is.
Sorc is OP though. They do 60k sustained DPS, have infinite sustain, and never die
/sEdited by Valrien on September 7, 2018 10:34PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1