"Stupid High Health Recovery Build" Will it work?

RighteousBacon

I recently thought up this health recovery build for a stam dk (made a magdk version too). In general the stats look nice: 6k health recov with troll king proc, 40k health, 9k-13k stam and magicka respectively.

What do you guys think? Is it viable? I'm usually a damage oriented player in pvp, but I thought I'd try making a fun troll build. I'm not concerned with killing people on this build honestly.

Here's the link to the build creator data sheet.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=84254

VaranisArano

Health recovery troll builds had a brief hey-day when BGs first launched, so the devs toned down some of those sets and buffed defile to help deal with it. I'd be very interested in finding out if its still viable and fun.

Jjitsuboy98

Health recovery in general will be better now that some defile sets and reverb have been nerfed.

Minno

LOL Where's the "nCP don't have tanks" crowd now?

I want to see a video of this in action.

Kadoin

What will you do outside a 1v1? Other than health regen and HP your stats are a joke. You won't survive light + multi-dawnbreaker that will even happen in BGs lol...

Lexxypwns

Build is awful, will have terrible heals and can’t sustain at all. 13k stam is nothing

rimmidimdim

As a heavy armor Stam NB, yes it works well, I can't hit 6k health regen in non CP, but I can hit close to 5k. With a health pot and gold food. And it does work well just remember if you have three curses on and a guy attacking it means nothing, as it should.

RighteousBacon

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Build is awful

You seem to have overlooked the part where I mentioned with was a troll build

RighteousBacon

rimmidimdim wrote: »

And it does work well just remember if you have three curses on and a guy attacking it means nothing, as it should.

Yah I gotcha, I’m not expecting to make a new meta or anything. Just wanted to see how much I could push the limits of health recovery and still be able to debuff some kids while some random Zerg does the damage.

I hate zerging but this is pretty much a Zerg tank sort of support build

crazy_catman21

You’ll still die & wont kill anyone at all, so why?

Morgul667

There were some Health Regen builds 2 years ago

It's far from META nowadays

usmguy1234

RighteousBacon wrote: »

I recently thought up this health recovery build for a stam dk (made a magdk version too). In general the stats look nice: 6k health recov with troll king proc, 40k health, 9k-13k stam and magicka respectively.

What do you guys think? Is it viable? I'm usually a damage oriented player in pvp, but I thought I'd try making a fun troll build. I'm not concerned with killing people on this build honestly.

Here's the link to the build creator data sheet.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=84254

Tk, permafrost and orgnum....11k health recovery... you're welcome.

Hutch679

RighteousBacon wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Build is awful

You seem to have overlooked the part where I mentioned with was a troll build

Who you trolling, yourself? Lol you'll kill nothing and 2 people will easily destroy you... let alone once you get three people on you ..... not a good tank build.

Lexxypwns

I read what you said man, but with “9-13k stam and magika” you can break free and then cast 3 magika skill and 2 stamina skill before being out of resources, then you just die. That’s if you don’t block. If you cast igneous 3x you might get 3 stam skills.

6k health regen is a lot but if you can’t mitigate any damage or add any real healing then you can’t really stay alive with just 3k health per second, you’d die before or during the second CC, less than 30 seconds against even just a single opponent under best circumstances.

Your vigor tooltip is gonna be less than 800 per second. If someone can do 10k dps(they can because you can’t mitigate or make them defend), then you’ll die in 10 seconds

Thogard

It’s ok. I messed around with an orgnum/tk/fury Stam dk.

Problem I found was that there are two seconds between each health recovery tick, but the hr doesn’t activate unless I get below 50% anyway... so too often I would get burst down in that window if I was fighting too many high dps builds... and i didn’t have enough dmg to kill most competent solo players...

Jjitsuboy98

Thogard wrote: »

It’s ok. I messed around with an orgnum/tk/fury Stam dk.

Problem I found was that there are two seconds between each health recovery tick, but the hr doesn’t activate unless I get below 50% anyway... so too often I would get burst down in that window if I was fighting too many high dps builds... and i didn’t have enough dmg to kill most competent solo players...

Pretty much this. I feel like building for health recovery via other means and having troll king for the oh *** moment is the best way to go.

Elong

Thogard wrote: »

It’s ok. I messed around with an orgnum/tk/fury Stam dk.

Problem I found was that there are two seconds between each health recovery tick, but the hr doesn’t activate unless I get below 50% anyway... so too often I would get burst down in that window if I was fighting too many high dps builds... and i didn’t have enough dmg to kill most competent solo players...

This was my experience the last few days trying a health regen build too.

Libonotus

Elong wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

It’s ok. I messed around with an orgnum/tk/fury Stam dk.

Problem I found was that there are two seconds between each health recovery tick, but the hr doesn’t activate unless I get below 50% anyway... so too often I would get burst down in that window if I was fighting too many high dps builds... and i didn’t have enough dmg to kill most competent solo players...

This was my experience the last few days trying a health regen build too.

My health regen tank works pretty well

AAbrigo

My nb test build is running 5k hp recovery with 5.5k weapon dmg fully buffed with around 1.3 mag rec to cloak alot.

The only downside is the 27k stam pool.

Run that with health lingering pots and they need a insane burst to kill you

Cloak + High health recovery is a tanky combo

brandonv516

There's an annoying DK on Xbox NA that runs a 10k health recovery build in BGs (probably less in no-CP).

He eventually dies but it takes forever especially with him using Meditate. It's effective in Flag Games and Land Grab but he doesn't help one bit in Deathmatch.

Nemeliom

When I find someone with more than 40k HP, I simply ignore him. It's a waste of time, simple as that. I can kill 10 in the same time it would take me to kill that guy, if I ever kill him.

Most of this unkillables who usually have 50k+ HP have a fun time for a week or two before everyone knows they do zero damage and are unkillable, so waste of time and avoid. Simply walk around them. Yes... Walk, they won't hurt you.

RighteousBacon

Nemeliom wrote: »

When I find someone with more than 40k HP, I simply ignore him. It's a waste of time, simple as that. I can kill 10 in the same time it would take me to kill that guy, if I ever kill him.

Most of this unkillables who usually have 50k+ HP have a fun time for a week or two before everyone knows they do zero damage and are unkillable, so waste of time and avoid. Simply walk around them. Yes... Walk, they won't hurt you.

I do the same thing lol. It’s just like if you get in a dual with another player and realize neither of you will win. Just gotta go your separate ways and look for a less evenly matched fight. I’d honestly fight 5 eh players than 1 good one lol

fred4

Nemeliom wrote: »

When I find someone with more than 40k HP, I simply ignore him. It's a waste of time, simple as that.

Not in my experience. They must still have a good build and be competent playing a PvP tank. If they are wearing this because they are new to PvP, they usually don't survive. Such builds tend to be vulnerable to stamina pressure builds, because many can't heal properly without Absorb Magic.

fred4

I've looked over your build. Since you asked straight up, "Will it work", I'd have concerns. Mainly because of the lack of sustain. The question is, what do you want to do, though? Frustrate a glass cannon NB in a 1v1, or tank multipe players for as long as possible? I would lose any pretense of doing damage and make it a complete tank / troll build. Doing half-decent damage AND being a troll is IMO only possible with warden, using Arctic Blast and Gripping Shards (not sure about next patch though).

I've modified the build (quite a lot). This is completely untested, of course:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=91345

Don't use regular healing skills. Vigor and Rally will be useless in a health build. Use Absorb Magic and Green Dragon Blood, because they scale with health.

There is a general question with choosing Beekeeper + Green Pact + 64 points into health. Is it a high health build, or is it a health regen build? If you truly want to focus on the high health, you could go vampire and take advantage of Invigorating Drain. Meaning you'd choose other sets that give you more health, such as Plague Doctor + Warrior Poet. On the other hand, if it's a health regen build, you don't necessarily need the high health to go with that. That said, I've stuck with the high health scheme for this attempt.

Since I made so many changes, let me give you the reasons:

• Nord gives you more tankiness and the same health regen passive as Orc.
• A health enchant on the shield boosts the health-based heals on that bar.
• I tend to go with Sturdy shields as a matter of principle.
• I am suggesting this will be a blocking build. This means low stam regen + half-decent mag regen.
• Get stamina from Igneous, follow it with Dragon Blood or Absorb Magic. I think the Igneous shield is significant, therefore the better morph.
• Heroic slash for the maim and ulti gen, now and again. Weakening enchant for further maim.
• Prismatic enchants, since you need magicka and stamina, and you simply get more stats that way.
• Let's not pretend a damage dealing ulti would work. Shield Discipline lets you spam Absorb Magic to heal. Light's Champion heals / grants you Major Protection. Take your pick.
• Need Absorb Magic as a health-based heal.
• Resto staff lets you restore magicka.
• Structured Entropy to stack health and get better heals.
• Hardened Armor, not Spiked, since we aren't trying to do damage.
• Deep Thoughts is too hard to pass up in this type of build, I feel. Used to get stam and mag, not so much health.
• Time Freeze will just hard CC everyone where you are standing. Fossilize is the other option, 1v1, as the two stage CC buys you time.
• In my experience both Wings and Talons would be too expensive to run in this type of build, and you have Maim already covered by Heroic Slash. I put Wings on the backbar anyway, as I could not think of anything else.

So I've dropped almost all the skills from your build. Vigor and Rally, because I don't think they'll work in a health build. Reverb Bash in favor of Time Freeze. Pierce Armor, Venomous Claw, and the Ultis, because we're not trying to do damage. Talons, because it is expensive and people just roll out of it or are immune (Forward Momentum).

One caveat: You'd have to check whether Citrus Fillet actually activates Green Pact.

Spearpoint

This is in Battlegrounds, so no help from CP, and all epic. As a stamblade since beta, fooling around with this is hilarious

Spearpoint

Now it's tempting to try to follow as much as possible the setup @fred4 explained so thoroughly, for a max health BG build (50K?), with an Imperial DK as a starting point.

Does anything need to be changed due to the recent patches, and potentially the coming Elsweyr?


Edit: typo

psychotic13

Just by running troll king, going a certain class, and using arteum you can get up to 4k and spec full damage....

OwnerOfSuccuby

4 k hp regen is like 2 k hp per second. Like vigor with normal attack build.

Just for example with master weapon i get bleed for 1000dps per second on me.
With 2 bleads and 1 poison on me it is like zero recovery. So may be you will not diy becouse of 1 player but even with 10 k regen 2 players easely kill you.

Thouse player will have damage 2-3 times better than you, and will heal from just vigor for 2000+ hp per second or more. Like your 4000 hp regen.

It is not bad, but not perfect. If you do no damage = you always are dead.

So hp regen can be like part of your gameplay, but you need do damage, so you will need resources and high attack or some proc sets.

I play in style like that - but there are problems with good players. I can kill 1 on 1 and can by killed. If you do not kill 1 on 1 - than enemy runaway, or his friend comes and 2 on you 1 you will be dead. If 2 on 1 and no dmg from you - they just focus dd first and than kill you.

So it is possible to use hp regen, but with no dps you always fail.

It is good against low skill players and to run around stones. People will hate you for that but no other stuff.

OwnerOfSuccuby

See the different type but same idea as this. There are nb in vivik - like 60 k+ hp. Full tank. He do no damage at all, but have a good heal from % hp. For example 24% by 3 seconds like 8 in second.

8% from 60 000 is 4800. The same like 10 000 hp regen, but ton of hp.

I can not kill it by my own. I can hard hit him but he start run + meditation. So vaste of time. He can not kill me even if i go to make some tea.

But 2 of us i and my girl have enough damage to kill him. If he will not run around stone on some clear ground. But i do not think that even 3 like him will kil one of us

Corpier

Half a year old necro. Not bad.

At least in Elsweyr people can be in game necromancers in addition to on the forums.

Iskiab

Interesting build nonetheless. I’d focus more on disruption if I were playing that spec. Include leap and talons for sure. Maybe switch out troll king for blood spawn and add the barrier that gives ultimate, IDK without trying the spec.