Can anyone please write or post a guide on how to actually play a Stamblade in BGs?

Nyladreas

I need one since apparently I'm totally ***.

Whenever i try a Stamblade in BGs i have an extreme urge to go break something, or someone. It's frustrating and all I see is death screen 99% of the time.

Yet i see 785325293598325327598275225928753295235320258358 stamblades doing just fine. What am I missing. Is everyone hacking or what?

This never happens on my DKs, Sorcs and Templars. What am I missing...

Cloak NEVER works for me btw. Everything breaks it non-stop. Doesn't matter if i dodge -> cloak or run away and cloak, it gets broken. Or if it doesn't i do it 2-3 times and i'm out. Then I see mr. stamblade on other team cloak 1000 times.

Ragnarock41

Nyladreas wrote: »

I need one since apparently I'm totally ***.

Whenever i try a Stamblade in BGs i have an extreme urge to go break something, or someone. It's frustrating and all I see is death screen 99% of the time.

Yet i see 785325293598325327598275225928753295235320258358 stamblades doing just fine. What am I missing. Is everyone hacking or what?

This never happens on my DKs, Sorcs and Templars. What am I missing...

Cloak NEVER works for me btw. Everything breaks it non-stop. Doesn't matter if i dodge -> cloak or run away and cloak, it gets broken. Or if it doesn't i do it 2-3 times and i'm out. Then I see mr. stamblade on other team cloak 1000 times.

pro tip: use shade. play a heavy bleedblade if survival is a problem. Thats what I prefer to do, hang around solo and just shade away if in trouble. Works great in some maps, not so great in others. Thing is, people are too very used to cloak now and groups will bring counterplay tools. Don't be solo against entire groups, don't even think about showing yourself to a group if you're alone.

Your cloak will break but if it buys you even 2 seconds, thats 2 ticks of vigor and momentum. Don't expect cloak to win you 1vX fights, use it with your group however and it will take a lot of pressure off of you.(unless the group is dedicated and smart, if thats the case they will focus you on purpose cause thats the right thing to do, bursting down the squishy stamblade as fast as possible.)

Then again I also play my stamDk in medium armor with no resistance sets except blood spawn, so I'm a little awkward when it comes to playing things like its supposed to be played.

Edit: cloak seems to work fine on me for the most part, though I don't run a bow and I heard some stamblades are having issues with poison injection breaking their cloak or something, might be that?

DDuke

Quick question; are you using speed pots & swift jewelry?

That makes a huge difference when it comes to cloaking as it lets you get out of AoE range much better & makes repositioning while cloaked faster and thus makes the survival part a lot easier on NB.


Also for BGs especially I'd consider slotting Manifestation of Terror (the trap morph of fear) & Deep Thoughts (Meditate morph) - those synergize really well with high movement speed & repositioning capabilities (i.e. cloak & Shadow Image).

Thogard

Well if stamblade is too tough you could always play an easier and less OP class.

Oh wait.

Skinzz

Stamblade and sorcs are king of bgs.

Thogard

Are you on right now

Nyladreas

Thogard wrote: »

Well if stamblade is too tough you could always play an easier and less OP class.

Oh wait.

xskinzcity wrote: »

Stamblade and sorcs are king of bgs.

I really want to know where you guys are getting this. The entire past year trying a Stamblade has brought nothing but stress, frustration and disappointment to me.

Really don't understand why people constantly complain about Stamblades.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I need one since apparently I'm totally ***.

Whenever i try a Stamblade in BGs i have an extreme urge to go break something, or someone. It's frustrating and all I see is death screen 99% of the time.

Yet i see 785325293598325327598275225928753295235320258358 stamblades doing just fine. What am I missing. Is everyone hacking or what?

This never happens on my DKs, Sorcs and Templars. What am I missing...

Cloak NEVER works for me btw. Everything breaks it non-stop. Doesn't matter if i dodge -> cloak or run away and cloak, it gets broken. Or if it doesn't i do it 2-3 times and i'm out. Then I see mr. stamblade on other team cloak 1000 times.

pro tip: use shade. play a heavy bleedblade if survival is a problem. Thats what I prefer to do, hang around solo and just shade away if in trouble. Works great in some maps, not so great in others. Thing is, people are too very used to cloak now and groups will bring counterplay tools. Don't be solo against entire groups, don't even think about showing yourself to a group if you're alone.

Your cloak will break but if it buys you even 2 seconds, thats 2 ticks of vigor and momentum. Don't expect cloak to win you 1vX fights, use it with your group however and it will take a lot of pressure off of you.(unless the group is dedicated and smart, if thats the case they will focus you on purpose cause thats the right thing to do, bursting down the squishy stamblade as fast as possible.)

Then again I also play my stamDk in medium armor with no resistance sets except blood spawn, so I'm a little awkward when it comes to playing things like its supposed to be played.

Edit: cloak seems to work fine on me for the most part, though I don't run a bow and I heard some stamblades are having issues with poison injection breaking their cloak or something, might be that?

Thanks, I am a heavy bleed blade, well on my ORC anyway, that one seems to have way less trouble than my Khajiit. But its still horrible. CP is like no problem at all, its only the battlegrounds that make me lose my ***. I'll take your advice into consideration, much appreciate it.

DDuke wrote: »

Quick question; are you using speed pots & swift jewelry?

That makes a huge difference when it comes to cloaking as it lets you get out of AoE range much better & makes repositioning while cloaked faster and thus makes the survival part a lot easier on NB.


Also for BGs especially I'd consider slotting Manifestation of Terror (the trap morph of fear) & Deep Thoughts (Meditate morph) - those synergize really well with high movement speed & repositioning capabilities (i.e. cloak & Shadow Image).

Not using Swift Jewelery, tried it, did next to no damage to anything, using speedpots always.

Waffennacht

I don't see heavy stamblades that do well in BGs.

The stamblades that do well

Have:

Lethal arrow for 8k
Surprise Attack for 6k

This is on my recap, this is a build running Impregnable in BGs, these NBs are bringing the heat in non-crit damage.

They are running sets like spriggans, automaton, medium armor.

I don't see a heavy stamblade doin so hot against decent players.

I personally would recommend using a roll Dodge build, focusing on dodge as your main mitigation with cloak (with or without shade) as a secondary mitigation once distance has been created.

I read your damage suffered when using swift, that means your weapon damage is way too low.

I personally like 3k+ unbuffed

geonsocal

slot a bow...find some high ground, a little away from groupmates...snipe away to your heart's content...

ak_pvp

To be honest most of the BG woes are just because its noCP and you can't leet 1vX to your hearts content.

Solariken

Don't use Shadowy Disguise. That skill is a mess.

I'm playing my stamblade 5-1-1 heavy with Troll King, 7x Prismatic, FM, Mirage, and 1x Swift.

I'm using Dark Cloak instead and while it doesn't have the escape potential of Shadowy, it's a thousand times more reliable.

All these things together make a super brawler and you can stay on offense much longer.

Pijng

Solariken wrote: »

Don't use Shadowy Disguise. That skill is a mess.

I'm playing my stamblade 5-1-1 heavy with Troll King, 7x Prismatic, FM, Mirage, and 1x Swift.

I'm using Dark Cloak instead and while it doesn't have the escape potential of Shadowy, it's a thousand times more reliable.

All these things together make a super brawler and you can stay on offense much longer.

Well, in heavy, troll king and 7 tri stat glyphs you definitely can survive without cloak. Even without dark one.

Brutusmax1mus

Im trying something different than i normally do, dominated last night. I'll make a video of it soon. Truth back barred with cloak/surprise attack to proc it, chest legs boots. 3 bone pirate jewelry 2 body. Masters dw front bar. Kena/veli. Might triglyph/triune and go with tk bc he's khajiit and cloak is essential, but i didn't have issue keeping it up.

del9

Thogard wrote: »

Well if stamblade is too tough you could always play an easier and less OP class.

Oh wait.

Please then, teach us how to operate this OP class

Pijng

del9 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Well if stamblade is too tough you could always play an easier and less OP class.

Oh wait.

Please then, teach us how to operate this OP class

Press buttons, kill enemies. There you go c:

mursie

for perspective - give a light armor mag warden a go in bg's. I think you'll find that relatively speaking, your nightblade is doing quite well.

Nyladreas

mursie wrote: »

for perspective - give a light armor mag warden a go in bg's. I think you'll find that relatively speaking, your nightblade is doing quite well.

I wouldn't say 0:20 K:D is doing quite well compared to my frost mage who can get through average BG fight with 3 deaths.

@Mursie

Brutusmax1mus

Nyladreas wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

for perspective - give a light armor mag warden a go in bg's. I think you'll find that relatively speaking, your nightblade is doing quite well.

I wouldn't say 0:20 K:D is doing quite well compared to my frost mage who can get through average BG fight with 3 deaths.

@Mursie

Why don't you tell us that you're doing/ wearing set wise, skills etc. It might just be you. It could be your gear.

ChunkyCat

Cloak rarely ever works for me.

Feanor

So nerfing Sorc didn’t make you a better player on your StamNB? Quel surprise.

StamWhipCultist

Just spam snipe and poison injection like 99% of NBs.
It works.

FloppyTouch

Weird when I'm on my stamnb I get more kills then any other class even sorcs. I dont do anything different from open world ganking. I jump in get my kill move out. I watch my team and when I see them focus someone I jump in for the kill then run away.

When I'm on my dk i get like 3 kills but 20-30 assist damn nbs and sorcs steal my kills

Thogard

Record a video and post it.

Odds are you just haven’t learned positioning, target selection, burst combo timing, etc.

You’d need that on any class. It’s just easiest on a stamblade.

mursie

Nyladreas wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

for perspective - give a light armor mag warden a go in bg's. I think you'll find that relatively speaking, your nightblade is doing quite well.

I wouldn't say 0:20 K:D is doing quite well compared to my frost mage who can get through average BG fight with 3 deaths.

@Mursie

what the hell are you wearing on a frost mage that you arent instantly being exploded. i find this hard to believe.

mursie

how to AD Sotha Sil Nightblade:

step 1: slot bow
A. slot poison inject - spam this alot
B. slot draining shot - your CC ability and extremely buggy for your opponent.
C. slot piercing mark - your ranged armor debuff for your leet bow skills
D. slot ballista - your ulti gank nooob cannon
E. slot cloak - your key tool to fight your opponent while never being visible.
F. slot lethal arrow - not even required but what the hell. need a fifth skill anyways

How to profit - just mark your target from stealth / sneek. then fire a lethal arrow and poison inject. repeat these abilities until you feel pressure or the target is dead. if target is dead - begin again on new target. if target begins to pressure - draining shot, regain range, start lethal arrow/poison inject spam over. If target continues to be pesky - drop ballista on him.

You have a 2nd bar - but I have yet to see any AD sotha NB's use it so am unsure how to guide you on that. do whatever feels good. hell - just slot a 2nd bow.

Minalan

There's a comprehensive guide.

Feanor

Can that thread be closed now that the OP has switched to „zero effort pro StamSorc“? Or is advice for playing a StamBlade still needed?

Vapirko

Personally I mega loathe stamblade, both playing and fighting against them. It’s just not fun at all either way.

Joy_Division

Nyladreas wrote: »

I really want to know where you guys are getting this. The entire past year trying a Stamblade has brought nothing but stress, frustration and disappointment to me.

Really don't understand why people constantly complain about Stamblades.

Because

i see 785325293598325327598275225928753295235320258358 stamblades doing just fine. What am I missing. Is everyone hacking or what?

It's hard to give advice without a video of you playing, but if you're getting a 0:20 K:D ratio, something isn't quite right on your end.

goldenflameslinger

My BG bar set up is very simple but pretty effective.

1 - Shadowy Disguise
2 - Killer's Blade
3 - Steel Tornado
4 - Vigor
5 - Charging Maneuver/WHATEVER
ULT - Flawless Dawnbreaker

Capture the Relic - Use Shadow when you are trying to hide and then pop Charging Maneuver when you capture the relic.

In non-CTR rounds, you can swap out CM for a damage attack...whichever you prefer as a spammable (I usually go with Rapid Strikes). Use Vigor to keep you alive. Use Shadow when you got to get the hell out of there or want to hit someone with a critical strike. Use Steel Tornado when you are in a pile of bad guys. When the bad guys get low on health, hit them with a Killer's Blade or two. Dawnbreaker when you have a pile of people in front of you and just want to explode some quick damage.

I do not use any special gear set-up for BG, just my normal PVE/trials gear (Two-Fang, VO and Selene). Selene is kind of a bad choice because it is dodge-able but, when everyone is piled up, most people are not paying attention and get hit with it.

I usually end up in first or second place on any PUG team, without using Sloads, VD or any of the "BG" sets.

I think the key is to be comfortable with your rotation and knowing when to run away. It is better to get out of the heat for a few seconds than die in it.

Arkangeloski

Use medium armor (bone pirate if possible) 1 stam recovery infused jewelry piece serpent mundus, add any other set, u can dodgeroll quite nice with all impen in that setup, always remember dodgeroll (for incoming dmg) shuffle (get rid of snares) cloak away reposition buff heal jump back in.