Ravanger and relequen!!! Set combos

scionix90

Ok so I wanted to try something a bit different for my pve Gaurd stamblade and I replaced advancing yokeda with ravanger (2 daggers and 3 jewelry - retraited) and I’m hitting just as well as with advancing! Why do so many ppl say that the only GOOD set for pve stamblades is Advancing yokeda and relequen? I’m gonna gold everything out ravanger and relequen and stick with that awhile. It procs all the time and carries over and as soon as it’s done it almost always procs right after. And without yokeda my base crit is about 60 percent. So in conclusion (my opinion) after almost a hundred dps test and a lot of trial runs I feel that ravanger is 100% a viable set to choose besides A.yokeda to pair with relequen. May even try to find another set to replace relequen? Maybe ravanger and leviathan? Anyone else like ravanger ? Or found another set combo that puts out great endgame dps? I’d love to hear em!

WrathOfInnos

My understanding is that the Ravager and Advancing are very close for solo situations. Once you get in trials, where Warhorns provide Major Force (which synergies with more crit from Advancing) and SPC or Olorime provides Major Courage (you do not need as much Weapon damage from Relequen, and returns are diminishing), that’s when Advancing pulls ahead.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

There are a lot of sets that are within 1-4% of each other, even with major force and such @WrathOfInnos

. I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:



So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:




In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%

From here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1

I personally am a big fan veiled heritance, easy to get.

Surreal88

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of sets that are within 1-4% of each other, even with major force and such @WrathOfInnos

. I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:



So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:




In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%

From here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1

I personally am a big fan veiled heritance, easy to get.

I've searched every guild trader for Veiled Heritance daggers and I'm convinced that they don't exist. How do you work this set into your build without daggers?

Sparr0w

Surreal88 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of sets that are within 1-4% of each other, even with major force and such @WrathOfInnos

. I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:



So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:




In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%

From here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1

I personally am a big fan veiled heritance, easy to get.

I've searched every guild trader for Veiled Heritance daggers and I'm convinced that they don't exist. How do you work this set into your build without daggers?

@Surreal88 I can assure you they do exist

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Surreal88 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of sets that are within 1-4% of each other, even with major force and such @WrathOfInnos

. I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:



So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:




In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%

From here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1

I personally am a big fan veiled heritance, easy to get.

I've searched every guild trader for Veiled Heritance daggers and I'm convinced that they don't exist. How do you work this set into your build without daggers?

I actually run a two-hander build, I find deul weild very boring. But you could just farm http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Toothmaul_Gully, the bosses there drop weapons and there are a ton of chest, I am sure.

There are a ton on ttc, see here, https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=10410&TradeType=Sell&ItemNamePattern=Dagger+of+the+Veiled+Heritance&ItemCategory1ID=&ItemCategory2ID=&ItemCategory3ID=&ItemTraitID=&ItemQualityID=&IsChampionPoint=true&IsChampionPoint=false&LevelMin=160&LevelMax=&MasterWritVoucherMin=&MasterWritVoucherMax=&AmountMin=&AmountMax=&PriceMin=&PriceMax=

Surreal88

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Surreal88 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of sets that are within 1-4% of each other, even with major force and such @WrathOfInnos

. I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:



So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:




In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%

From here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1

I personally am a big fan veiled heritance, easy to get.

I've searched every guild trader for Veiled Heritance daggers and I'm convinced that they don't exist. How do you work this set into your build without daggers?

I actually run a two-hander build, I find deul weild very boring. But you could just farm http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Toothmaul_Gully, the bosses there drop weapons and there are a ton of chest, I am sure.

There are a ton on ttc, see here, https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=10410&TradeType=Sell&ItemNamePattern=Dagger+of+the+Veiled+Heritance&ItemCategory1ID=&ItemCategory2ID=&ItemCategory3ID=&ItemTraitID=&ItemQualityID=&IsChampionPoint=true&IsChampionPoint=false&LevelMin=160&LevelMax=&MasterWritVoucherMin=&MasterWritVoucherMax=&AmountMin=&AmountMax=&PriceMin=&PriceMax=

Dude, thanks for confirming that they exist! I'm on NA Xbox so I don't think that site lists console trader items or does it?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@Surreal88 no, it doesn't, just PC. But if you do what I suggested, farm in that group dungeon in Auridon or farm world bosses and chests there, you will likely get one sooner or later.

Surreal88

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@Surreal88 no, it doesn't, just PC. But if you do what I suggested, farm in that group dungeon in Auridon or farm world bosses and chests there, you will likely get one sooner or later.

Thanks for the advice. I'll do some farming later on.

Ender1310

Zomg this is the best thread. Question have you tested hundigs/relequin? The only sets I see paired with relequin are advancing and ravager. Is hundigs and Relequins viable or am I missing something?

Sparr0w

@Ender1310 I'd say so yeah, however it would mean you'd either have to run relequen jewellery or craft hundings jewellery.

Hixtory

Wow, so normal relequen would underperform to hundings?

And hundings+leviathan is viable to replace advancing yokeda?

Advancing

(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) When you deal melee damage, your Critical Strike rating is increased by 400 for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.

3660 weap crit+129 weap damage

Leviathan

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Adds 1924 Weapon Critical


3590 Weap crit + 1096 Stamina (roughly 110 weap damage if I recall correctly). Also, you can easily get levi daggers that can make up for the crit lost. Altho HRC is not hard to run the farm is insane, I spent about a year to get 2 VO daggers, and that was running AA, SO and HRC

Any thoughts?

Ender1310

Thanks guys for the thoughts and theories.

Hixtory wrote: »

Wow, so normal relequen would underperform to hundings?

And hundings+leviathan is viable to replace advancing yokeda?

Advancing

(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) When you deal melee damage, your Critical Strike rating is increased by 400 for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.

3660 weap crit+129 weap damage

Leviathan

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Adds 1924 Weapon Critical


3590 Weap crit + 1096 Stamina (roughly 110 weap damage if I recall correctly). Also, you can easily get levi daggers that can make up for the crit lost. Altho HRC is not hard to run the farm is insane, I spent about a year to get 2 VO daggers, and that was running AA, SO and HRC

Any thoughts?

The only thing I would add is that I really like having that minor slayer from a raid set active. That plus minor berserk is nice.

LiquidPony

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of sets that are within 1-4% of each other, even with major force and such @WrathOfInnos

. I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:



So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:




In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%

From here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1

I personally am a big fan veiled heritance, easy to get.

While I think that this is very useful information, I also think it overlooks a key factor in real PvE play: are the combos realistically usable and what concessions have to be made?

For instance, in testing on a stamplar and a stamsorc, I consistently get results in the following order (combined with Relequen and Selene): Automaton > Advancing Yokeda > Ravager > Veiled Heritance. They're all pretty close, i.e. on a stamplar the averages are between 45k and 47k solo.

However, in order to sustain a LA rotation on a stamplar or a stamsorc, I have to use Artaeum Takeaway Broth (and preferably 7 medium). So with Automaton, Advancing Yokeda, and Veiled Heritance I have somewhere around ~14k health. When the setups are all adjusted so that I have enough health to actually play PvE practically (switching to 6/1 and a health glyph), Ravager comes out on top.

Also, worth noting that the 60% Ravager uptime is unrealistically low in my experience. On my stamsorc, I consistently see 65%+ in raid boss fights (I've been using the Ravager + Relequen combo in raid for quite a while and I'm not sure I've ever seen 60% or below in a sustained fight). On stamplars there should be no issue keeping it up 75%+.

IMO Advancing Yokeda is BiS for stamblades because they can sustain with bi-stat food, and Ravager is the way to go for stamplars and stamsorcs who are using Artaeum Takeaway Broth. Veiled Heritance suffers from that absolutely useless 3-piece bonus.

Hixtory wrote: »

Wow, so normal relequen would underperform to hundings?

And hundings+leviathan is viable to replace advancing yokeda?

Advancing

(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) When you deal melee damage, your Critical Strike rating is increased by 400 for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.

3660 weap crit+129 weap damage

Leviathan

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Adds 1924 Weapon Critical


3590 Weap crit + 1096 Stamina (roughly 110 weap damage if I recall correctly). Also, you can easily get levi daggers that can make up for the crit lost. Altho HRC is not hard to run the farm is insane, I spent about a year to get 2 VO daggers, and that was running AA, SO and HRC

Any thoughts?

@Hixtory no ... the comparison doesn't account for the proc damage from Relequen. Relequen is by far the best base set for all stamina characters and it's not particularly close (in parses it's often the #2 source of damage behind Endless Hail).

The problem with Leviathan is that it's a static bonus, only active on one bar. Advancing Yokeda is a procced bonus. So when you swap to your back bar with a Leviathan setup, you're missing ~2700 weapon critical. With Advancing Yokeda, you keep the bonus when you swap.

Hixtory

LiquidPony wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of sets that are within 1-4% of each other, even with major force and such @WrathOfInnos

. I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:



So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:




In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%

From here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1

I personally am a big fan veiled heritance, easy to get.

While I think that this is very useful information, I also think it overlooks a key factor in real PvE play: are the combos realistically usable and what concessions have to be made?

For instance, in testing on a stamplar and a stamsorc, I consistently get results in the following order (combined with Relequen and Selene): Automaton > Advancing Yokeda > Ravager > Veiled Heritance. They're all pretty close, i.e. on a stamplar the averages are between 45k and 47k solo.

However, in order to sustain a LA rotation on a stamplar or a stamsorc, I have to use Artaeum Takeaway Broth (and preferably 7 medium). So with Automaton, Advancing Yokeda, and Veiled Heritance I have somewhere around ~14k health. When the setups are all adjusted so that I have enough health to actually play PvE practically (switching to 6/1 and a health glyph), Ravager comes out on top.

Also, worth noting that the 60% Ravager uptime is unrealistically low in my experience. On my stamsorc, I consistently see 65%+ in raid boss fights (I've been using the Ravager + Relequen combo in raid for quite a while and I'm not sure I've ever seen 60% or below in a sustained fight). On stamplars there should be no issue keeping it up 75%+.

IMO Advancing Yokeda is BiS for stamblades because they can sustain with bi-stat food, and Ravager is the way to go for stamplars and stamsorcs who are using Artaeum Takeaway Broth. Veiled Heritance suffers from that absolutely useless 3-piece bonus.

Hixtory wrote: »

Wow, so normal relequen would underperform to hundings?

And hundings+leviathan is viable to replace advancing yokeda?

Advancing

(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) When you deal melee damage, your Critical Strike rating is increased by 400 for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.

3660 weap crit+129 weap damage

Leviathan

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Adds 1924 Weapon Critical


3590 Weap crit + 1096 Stamina (roughly 110 weap damage if I recall correctly). Also, you can easily get levi daggers that can make up for the crit lost. Altho HRC is not hard to run the farm is insane, I spent about a year to get 2 VO daggers, and that was running AA, SO and HRC

Any thoughts?

@Hixtory no ... the comparison doesn't account for the proc damage from Relequen. Relequen is by far the best base set for all stamina characters and it's not particularly close (in parses it's often the #2 source of damage behind Endless Hail).

The problem with Leviathan is that it's a static bonus, only active on one bar. Advancing Yokeda is a procced bonus. So when you swap to your back bar with a Leviathan setup, you're missing ~2700 weapon critical. With Advancing Yokeda, you keep the bonus when you swap.

Oh ***, you are right, thx for input!

Reading about the proc time of advancing yokeda, the proc is for 5 secs, Im not really sure but when you are in backbar you take less than 5 secs doing that part of rotation, taking into account that you have to do Endless+LA+Caltrops+LA+Poison arrow.

This means that if you have to use another skill, like hurricane, vigor, etc Im pretty sure you will lose the proc stack. In this situation I believe levi will be better.

Anyway just take it into consideration

scionix90

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

My understanding is that the Ravager and Advancing are very close for solo situations. Once you get in trials, where Warhorns provide Major Force (which synergies with more crit from Advancing) and SPC or Olorime provides Major Courage (you do not need as much Weapon damage from Relequen, and returns are diminishing), that’s when Advancing pulls ahead.

Did you read the part where I said I “trial” tested as well?

scionix90

There are so many great sets and some ppl only use what’s been posted as the best. I’ve tried many different combos that all work very well together. I personally like ravanger because relequen keeps it procced. It carries over, and procs almost right after it ends. As long as you are carrying your weight and helping the grp then that’s all that matters.

WrathOfInnos

scionix90 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

My understanding is that the Ravager and Advancing are very close for solo situations. Once you get in trials, where Warhorns provide Major Force (which synergies with more crit from Advancing) and SPC or Olorime provides Major Courage (you do not need as much Weapon damage from Relequen, and returns are diminishing), that’s when Advancing pulls ahead.

Did you read the part where I said I “trial” tested as well?

Yeah, but I have no idea how optimized your group was. If you have healers with Nova and tanks with Magma Shell then Warhorn uptime isn’t going to be there. Effectively some trial groups are just like playing solo, especially on stamblade where you bring your own Minor Berserk and Major Fracture.

LiquidPony

Hixtory wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of sets that are within 1-4% of each other, even with major force and such @WrathOfInnos

. I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:



So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:




In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%

From here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1

I personally am a big fan veiled heritance, easy to get.

While I think that this is very useful information, I also think it overlooks a key factor in real PvE play: are the combos realistically usable and what concessions have to be made?

For instance, in testing on a stamplar and a stamsorc, I consistently get results in the following order (combined with Relequen and Selene): Automaton > Advancing Yokeda > Ravager > Veiled Heritance. They're all pretty close, i.e. on a stamplar the averages are between 45k and 47k solo.

However, in order to sustain a LA rotation on a stamplar or a stamsorc, I have to use Artaeum Takeaway Broth (and preferably 7 medium). So with Automaton, Advancing Yokeda, and Veiled Heritance I have somewhere around ~14k health. When the setups are all adjusted so that I have enough health to actually play PvE practically (switching to 6/1 and a health glyph), Ravager comes out on top.

Also, worth noting that the 60% Ravager uptime is unrealistically low in my experience. On my stamsorc, I consistently see 65%+ in raid boss fights (I've been using the Ravager + Relequen combo in raid for quite a while and I'm not sure I've ever seen 60% or below in a sustained fight). On stamplars there should be no issue keeping it up 75%+.

IMO Advancing Yokeda is BiS for stamblades because they can sustain with bi-stat food, and Ravager is the way to go for stamplars and stamsorcs who are using Artaeum Takeaway Broth. Veiled Heritance suffers from that absolutely useless 3-piece bonus.

Hixtory wrote: »

Wow, so normal relequen would underperform to hundings?

And hundings+leviathan is viable to replace advancing yokeda?

Advancing

(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) When you deal melee damage, your Critical Strike rating is increased by 400 for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.

3660 weap crit+129 weap damage

Leviathan

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Adds 1924 Weapon Critical


3590 Weap crit + 1096 Stamina (roughly 110 weap damage if I recall correctly). Also, you can easily get levi daggers that can make up for the crit lost. Altho HRC is not hard to run the farm is insane, I spent about a year to get 2 VO daggers, and that was running AA, SO and HRC

Any thoughts?

@Hixtory no ... the comparison doesn't account for the proc damage from Relequen. Relequen is by far the best base set for all stamina characters and it's not particularly close (in parses it's often the #2 source of damage behind Endless Hail).

The problem with Leviathan is that it's a static bonus, only active on one bar. Advancing Yokeda is a procced bonus. So when you swap to your back bar with a Leviathan setup, you're missing ~2700 weapon critical. With Advancing Yokeda, you keep the bonus when you swap.

Oh ***, you are right, thx for input!

Reading about the proc time of advancing yokeda, the proc is for 5 secs, Im not really sure but when you are in backbar you take less than 5 secs doing that part of rotation, taking into account that you have to do Endless+LA+Caltrops+LA+Poison arrow.

This means that if you have to use another skill, like hurricane, vigor, etc Im pretty sure you will lose the proc stack. In this situation I believe levi will be better.

Anyway just take it into consideration

@Hixtory you don't lose the whole proc stack. If you spend a bit of extra time on the back bar you just lose whichever individual procs go over the 5 seconds, so maybe your critical bonus drops from +2000 to +1600 for one second.

I've tested with Leviathan and I have not seen any situation where (when running it on the front bar) it's better than Advancing Yokeda.

scionix90

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

scionix90 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

My understanding is that the Ravager and Advancing are very close for solo situations. Once you get in trials, where Warhorns provide Major Force (which synergies with more crit from Advancing) and SPC or Olorime provides Major Courage (you do not need as much Weapon damage from Relequen, and returns are diminishing), that’s when Advancing pulls ahead.

Did you read the part where I said I “trial” tested as well?

Yeah, but I have no idea how optimized your group was. If you have healers with Nova and tanks with Magma Shell then Warhorn uptime isn’t going to be there. Effectively some trial groups are just like playing solo, especially on stamblade where you bring your own Minor Berserk and Major Fracture.

The grps are good enough lol. That’s all I’ll say.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The two sets are very close. The differences do become apparent in a high end raid with really good buff uptime, but ravager is certainly a great substitute for Yokeda. Its what I am using (still after that second Yokeda Dagger). A few percent is never going to be noticeable to an average player in an average group. At the extreme end of things, those pushing records scores do see an objective difference, and min/maxing is min/maxing, even for a few percent.

As mentioned, one issue is health. NBs can get away with blue food, which makes Yokeda viable without adjusting your health. Other classes cant do that, so ravager does become an appealing option. It is also wildly easier to acquire.

Surreal88

As a NB, I've yet to acquire Advancing Yokeda daggers. As far as the next best set goes, which of the 2 would be the better choice? Ravager or Veiled Heritance? I'm only asking because I always see Ravager recommend for Stamplars and Stam Sorcs but they never mention Stamblades.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Any input here @Masel92 ?

scionix90

Surreal88 wrote: »

As a NB, I've yet to acquire Advancing Yokeda daggers. As far as the next best set goes, which of the 2 would be the better choice? Ravager or Veiled Heritance? I'm only asking because I always see Ravager recommend for Stamplars and Stam Sorcs but they never mention Stamblades.

I do lots of high end raiding and a good substitute that I’m guessing you’ll put on front bar like a.yokeda would either be ravanger or briarheart. Not v. Heritance because it doesn’t last long enough really to benefit your back bar (from my many test)