Make players want to pvp in Imperial City

Alfie2072

Please guys, i love that place and i looved pvping in the sewers and the districts, go back to the risk reward system we had, increase the telvar we can earn and make it so we lose 80% of telvar if we die to players,

Kram8ion

Pfft yes I haven't been in there for a year and it needs a new draw card it has to have more of a connection to the rest of cyrodil imo because it's great fun and I'd like to return

Ghostbane

Interest will increase with the double telvar event soon. Will be a good time to lobby suggestions and showcase as a community of how good ICP PVP can be.

Marabornwingrion

I think better would be:

0% loss if you die to mobs
50% loss if you die to bosses
100% loss if you die to players

NBrookus

The problem with TV loss is that gankers themselves don't have to put anything at risk. They can cloak past all the mobs, do their instagib combo and cloak home.

How about you can only loot telvar from killing enemy players up to the amount you yourself are carrying?

CyberSkooma

I'd think re-raising the tel-var loss would drive more people away, not bring them in. I think it should stay at 50%.

that being said I also think IC should be base game content now, I made a thread about this before. Plus should no longer be a requirement for IC.

Alfie2072

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I'd think re-raising the tel-var loss would drive more people away, not bring them in. I think it should stay at 50%.

that being said I also think IC should be base game content now, I made a thread about this before. Plus should no longer be a requirement for IC.

i disagree, it gets people down there pvping, the reason they reduced the telvar loss was because of people farming telvar who didnt want to pvp

Juhasow

Astrid_V wrote: »

I think better would be:

0% loss if you die to mobs
50% loss if you die to bosses
100% loss if you die to players

That would just bring back old trick that when You see enemy players around You run into some mobs pack and die plus if You want to travel into base for free You're doing the same.

Also I think tel vars changes are not the way that would bring people back to IC for longer. Tbf I even think tel vars disencourage fights in IC since yeah You can get 50-100k tel vars for whole day of fighting with other ppl or 250k tel vars for 1 hour of farm and avoiding fight.

idk

Telvar is not the answer and certainly increasing his much telvar we lose would not be a draw.

Cyrodiil has objectives, both near term and long term within the context of campaign lengths. ICP really has nothing.

Juhasow

NBrookus wrote: »

The problem with TV loss is that gankers themselves don't have to put anything at risk. They can cloak past all the mobs, do their instagib combo and cloak home.

How about you can only loot telvar from killing enemy players up to the amount you yourself are carrying?

Yeah I was also thinking about this idea long time ago but the problem is what will happen if multiple people with multiple amount of tel vars will kill 1 dude. How You'll split that ?

JackAshes

Two things that have been suggested at nauseam:

1) Separate IC load in and scoring from top side Cyrodiil.
2) Add something of Value that the majorly of people want to purchase with Telvar.

There was a influx of traffic down there when they brought in the storage crates. Now that people have them and the novelty has worn off not so much. This could be a desired PvP set per quarter, rare mats, even unique housing items of value ect.

None of this requires a major change just some tweaking.

Beardimus

I'd prefer the 80% back for sure. It took alot of the spice away.

Also, gold willpower / agility / endurance would be cool. BOP to stop crazy farming, and for lpads of fragments or something. Bring life back into original concept.

Oh and make base game. Or crazy cheap in event. 500 crowns

VaranisArano

IC's problem has always been its limited appeal as the general PVP population shrunk.

There's too much PVE for the main PVP crowd and its smaller scale compared to Cyrodiil in terna of group size and competitiveness. Then there's the risk of PVP keeping out those PVEers who might otherwise enjoy the more challenging miniboss mobs.

Then you add having to ride to the sewer gates through Cyrodiil, and we get to the point where outside of events, there's no reason for people who dont already like IC gameplay to go to IC.

I don't see a solution, other than for ZOS to fix the persistent performance issues with PVP in hopes that more PVP players come back and a rising tide lifts all boats.

JackAshes

Throw on a ranking system exclusive to IC and people will come. I think ZOS may be scared just how many will show up. As the population has been thinned out already due to BGs for top ground Cyrodiil. But it would be a hell of a lot of fun.

Sandman929

It's strange to me that so many want IC even more separate from Cyrodiil, but they want more traffic in IC. You'd get more traffic in IC if it was brought into Cyrodiil properly and became part of the Cyrodiil objective play. I guess that just wouldn't be the kind of traffic that fans of IC currently would like.
Rebuild the bridges, let me ride through IC as part of overland Cyrodiil and the center of the map will get some action.

NBrookus

Sandman929 wrote: »

It's strange to me that so many want IC even more separate from Cyrodiil, but they want more traffic in IC. You'd get more traffic in IC if it was brought into Cyrodiil properly and became part of the Cyrodiil objective play. I guess that just wouldn't be the kind of traffic that fans of IC currently would like.
Rebuild the bridges, let me ride through IC as part of overland Cyrodiil and the center of the map will get some action.

Honestly either would be a step up, but I would prefer it be part of overland Cyro as well. (And therefore free with the base game.) So many good places to fight in the districts; so few people go there anymore to pvp.

leepalmer95

They should change IC to a separate campaign and combine them all.

Maybe i'd see some actual people.

Baconlad

It just needs it's own update patch a whole update dedicated to rethinking what IC is and should be

Emma_Overload

Nope. The 50% drop was the best change they ever made to IC.

The solution for higher IC population is to bring some exclusive new gear sets to the Tel Var store!

albesca

Sandman929 wrote: »

It's strange to me that so many want IC even more separate from Cyrodiil, but they want more traffic in IC. You'd get more traffic in IC if it was brought into Cyrodiil properly and became part of the Cyrodiil objective play. I guess that just wouldn't be the kind of traffic that fans of IC currently would like.
Rebuild the bridges, let me ride through IC as part of overland Cyrodiil and the center of the map will get some action.

Thing is, pvp in Cyrodiil and in IC are of different kind: the former is large scale and siege based, the latter is small scale skirmish. It's not given that whoever likes one likes the other too.

LeifErickson

During NA PC prime time yesterday I was playing in Shor IC and it was super active with lots of skilled small man groups. It was a lot of fun pvping there with my group of 2 to 3. We then switched over to Vivec and IC was dead. It seems like for some reason Shor IC is the place to be while Vivec IC is empty.

Alfie2072

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nope. The 50% drop was the best change they ever made to IC.

The solution for higher IC population is to bring some exclusive new gear sets to the Tel Var store!

you sound like a pve'er, the high telvar loss was good because it gaves rewards and risks to pvp, big ones, the gear sets to increase people in IC is literally a horrible idea, and will not give consistent numbers

Emma_Overload

Alfie2072 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nope. The 50% drop was the best change they ever made to IC.

The solution for higher IC population is to bring some exclusive new gear sets to the Tel Var store!

you sound like a pve'er, the high telvar loss was good because it gaves rewards and risks to pvp, big ones, the gear sets to increase people in IC is literally a horrible idea, and will not give consistent numbers

I was a PvEer when IC launched, but I'm mostly PvP now. I've seen this issue from both sides.

The problem with the 90% loss rate to players was that the so-called "risk/reward" balance was not balanced at all. You had all these scumbag nightblades sneaking around looking for players to gank, but they themselves were carrying NO STONES. These gankers were risking NOTHING, so they had everything to gain from attempting a gank. Even if the gank failed, they just cloaked away to heal up and try again.

Also, you're totally wrong about the gear, players love to grind for new stuff. Do you even play this game?

albesca

Alfie2072 wrote: »

you sound like a pve'er, the high telvar loss was good because it gaves rewards and risks to pvp, big ones

That's true, but the reward must be worth the risk and also must feel worth the hassle

Alfie2072

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Alfie2072 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nope. The 50% drop was the best change they ever made to IC.

The solution for higher IC population is to bring some exclusive new gear sets to the Tel Var store!

you sound like a pve'er, the high telvar loss was good because it gaves rewards and risks to pvp, big ones, the gear sets to increase people in IC is literally a horrible idea, and will not give consistent numbers

I was a PvEer when IC launched, but I'm mostly PvP now. I've seen this issue from both sides.

The problem with the 90% loss rate to players was that the so-called "risk/reward" balance was not balanced at all. You had all these scumbag nightblades sneaking around looking for players to gank, but they themselves were carrying NO STONES. These gankers were risking NOTHING, so they had everything to gain from attempting a gank. Even if the gank failed, they just cloaked away to heal up and try again.

Also, you're totally wrong about the gear, players love to grind for new stuff. Do you even play this game?

i absolutely play this game, clearly you didnt understand, sure people will go down there and farm, the gear, until everyone has it and everyone is selling it on the guild stores, then theres no more pvp in IC again, aka thats not a way to keep consistent pvp in IC
also, an idea would be to make it so it stays 50% loss rate, and it goes up the more telvar you have, if you want people to have 90% loss you need to have 20k telvar on you yourself, or something like that
just a simple new set wont keep consistent pvp

Zeromaz

IC was introduced to us as something epic. People waited eagerly for them to release it. Its underwhelming for what was told we would get.

Sandman929

albesca wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

It's strange to me that so many want IC even more separate from Cyrodiil, but they want more traffic in IC. You'd get more traffic in IC if it was brought into Cyrodiil properly and became part of the Cyrodiil objective play. I guess that just wouldn't be the kind of traffic that fans of IC currently would like.
Rebuild the bridges, let me ride through IC as part of overland Cyrodiil and the center of the map will get some action.

Thing is, pvp in Cyrodiil and in IC are of different kind: the former is large scale and siege based, the latter is small scale skirmish. It's not given that whoever likes one likes the other too.

That's true, but it's not attracting players and I don't think it's because it's hard to get there (being within Cyrodiil, but also completely disconnected from Cyrodiil).
As much as I hate to give credit to Battlegrounds for anything because I think it's poorly implemented shell, BGs do what IC would do and they do it better because it's impossible to zerg BGs and still very possible to zerg IC.
Maybe IC as a separate, small-world instance capped at around 30 players per faction would work, but it still doesn't make any sense to me that it's geographically within Cyrodiil, and is in fact the capitol city, but it has nothing to do with Cyrodiil.

Sevn

Alfie2072 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nope. The 50% drop was the best change they ever made to IC.

The solution for higher IC population is to bring some exclusive new gear sets to the Tel Var store!

you sound like a pve'er, the high telvar loss was good because it gaves rewards and risks to pvp, big ones, the gear sets to increase people in IC is literally a horrible idea, and will not give consistent numbers

You sound like a ganker. Talking risk reward all the while carrying zero stones and cloaking away after a failed gank. Even when successful you're just going to stay cloaked until you can deposit your stones and rinse repeat. Yeah, you're really risky.

idk

NBrookus wrote: »

The problem with TV loss is that gankers themselves don't have to put anything at risk. They can cloak past all the mobs, do their instagib combo and cloak home.

How about you can only loot telvar from killing enemy players up to the amount you yourself are carrying?

There is already mechanics that increase how much telvar one gets based on how much they are carrying. This is in a he base design plus a set that increases telvar even more, again based on his much one is risking.

The problem with IC is it’s boring. The only actual objective is the flags but that alone is lame. This leaves telvar as the only reason to go there ans that’s a weak design.

Scrap the PvP since it’s lame there.
Remove Telvar
Gear drops from bosses instead of bought with telvar

Or

Keep it like it is.

But without some good objectives it will remain as if is

geonsocal

great environment in the districts...super fun place to fight...

I wish they would revert to allowing us to rez at any district platform, whether we have the flag or not...

I'd also like to see AP gains for killing enemy players tripled...

SneaK

Mobs should be neutral/yellow.

They should do rotating events with their own scoring down there. Capture the flag through the sewers, Domination/King of the Hill/Deathmatch in the districts. All of this with a separation from Campaign Cyro, give them their own seasons. Let it be like a non/instanced AvAvA battleground in there. All with specific IC rewards.