I always see people post funny parses and they seem to always specify in the video “(No cheese)”. What is cheese on a target dummy?
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Usually a term used when someone can’t parse as high as you, and they are looking for excuses.
Similar to “cheese” builds in PVP, which is basically just using anything effective instead of letting them kill you.
No cheese just means only using things you'd use on an actual raid. So not using things like Lava Foot Saltrice food, or Lover mundus in some cases.
Marshall1289 wrote: »No cheese just means only using things you'd use on an actual raid. So not using things like Lava Foot Saltrice food, or Lover mundus in some cases.
Those would both be used by my current setup. Maybe not that buff food because it's too expensive for me, but some people use it. There is also nothing wrong with the lover mundus stone if it completes your build. As a stam toon I use it along with cp I sit at 8k penetration which is what I want for a raid, depending on how well it is optimized I would drop 1k pen maybe.
Cheese is what others said, placing yourself at an advantage with help you wouldn't have on your own to inflate your dps number or sets that are knowingly broken OP or situational.
Stam sorc for example doesn't have access to many buffs/debuffs so if you are looking at a stam sorc parse it would be lower than in a raid where you get minor courage/savagery/brutality/berserk, major fracture/minor fracture and other sources of penetration. In a raid, you would get these, classes like nightblade have access to a lot of these built in to their kit so they always pull higher results on a test dummy.
The biggest culprit is penetration, if you see a parse with 9k+ penetration with NO major/minor fracture they inflated their pen to get the most benefit on the test dummy.
Marshall1289 wrote: »No cheese just means only using things you'd use on an actual raid. So not using things like Lava Foot Saltrice food, or Lover mundus in some cases.
Those would both be used by my current setup. Maybe not that buff food because it's too expensive for me, but some people use it. There is also nothing wrong with the lover mundus stone if it completes your build. As a stam toon I use it along with cp I sit at 8k penetration which is what I want for a raid, depending on how well it is optimized I would drop 1k pen maybe.
Cheese is what others said, placing yourself at an advantage with help you wouldn't have on your own to inflate your dps number or sets that are knowingly broken OP or situational.
Stam sorc for example doesn't have access to many buffs/debuffs so if you are looking at a stam sorc parse it would be lower than in a raid where you get minor courage/savagery/brutality/berserk, major fracture/minor fracture and other sources of penetration. In a raid, you would get these, classes like nightblade have access to a lot of these built in to their kit so they always pull higher results on a test dummy.
The biggest culprit is penetration, if you see a parse with 9k+ penetration with NO major/minor fracture they inflated their pen to get the most benefit on the test dummy.
But stamdk's will often show 120k penetration on their metrics reports if they use their earthen heart ultimate....
Trollking = Cheese
Marshall1289 wrote: »
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Usually a term used when someone can’t parse as high as you, and they are looking for excuses.
Similar to “cheese” builds in PVP, which is basically just using anything effective instead of letting them kill you.
I always see people post funny parses and they seem to always specify in the video “(No cheese)”. What is cheese on a target dummy?
WrathOfInnos wrote: »True, things that aren’t used in raids would not be useful for a raid DPS parse. But the examples people call cheese typically don’t apply this rule. I’ve heard Zaan called cheese, even though it is BiS on at least half the trial boss fights for ranged DPS. The same could be said for Siroria. Lover is commonly used by anyone killing crystals in vCR (at least 4 out of 7 DPS). Slimecraw is by far the best monster set for 4/5 classes in vAS.
Lava foot saltrice is an interesting example, I haven’t seen that one used much in raids, but it would probably be survivable in Craglorn trials with blade cloak and a good tank and healer. I would guess people are parsing with this food to get better sustain than bi-stat. This is probably more a more accurate representation of a raid rotation, since they will have orbs, and possibly Master resto ticks and Hircines. A solo rotation would otherwise have to rely on more heavy attacks that mean a different rotation than in a raid.
One example I don’t think I’ve ever heard called “cheese” is Ele Drain. It helps Magicka DPS sustain a parse even though they would never be the one run it in a raid. It changes their DPS rotation and skill bars. But somehow running regen food to do the same thing is frowned upon?
Stacking pen on dummy is stupid because you would have to replace sets, mundus, cp or all three to be able to reach the pen you would have in trials, therefore not having the weapon damage, crit, stam/mag pool as in a raid. If you want to do a trial setting parse then just gather some friends to apply all buffs and debuffs. However that parse is nothing to brag with unless you compare it with another parse done exactly the same.WrathOfInnos wrote: »True, things that aren’t used in raids would not be useful for a raid DPS parse. But the examples people call cheese typically don’t apply this rule. I’ve heard Zaan called cheese, even though it is BiS on at least half the trial boss fights for ranged DPS. The same could be said for Siroria. Lover is commonly used by anyone killing crystals in vCR (at least 4 out of 7 DPS). Slimecraw is by far the best monster set for 4/5 classes in vAS.
Lava foot saltrice is an interesting example, I haven’t seen that one used much in raids, but it would probably be survivable in Craglorn trials with blade cloak and a good tank and healer. I would guess people are parsing with this food to get better sustain than bi-stat. This is probably more a more accurate representation of a raid rotation, since they will have orbs, and possibly Master resto ticks and Hircines. A solo rotation would otherwise have to rely on more heavy attacks that mean a different rotation than in a raid.
One example I don’t think I’ve ever heard called “cheese” is Ele Drain. It helps Magicka DPS sustain a parse even though they would never be the one run it in a raid. It changes their DPS rotation and skill bars. But somehow running regen food to do the same thing is frowned upon?
Yeah or the magicka one, eyeballs something. Perfectly legit to use in testing, because regen will be better in raids than solo.
Some people consider stacking pen as cheese - but you're gonna have that pen in a raid scenario.
Idk that it really matters tbh.
Spme guilds will have specific parse specs you need to follow anyway. Just for the parse.
However: you wouldn't believe how many high parse braggy types are falling over dead constantly in raids because they have no awareness other than their DPS meter.
#truestory
Stacking pen on dummy is stupid because you would have to replace sets, mundus, cp or all three to be able to reach the pen you would have in trials, therefore not having the weapon damage, crit, stam/mag pool as in a raid. If you want to do a trial setting parse then just gather some friends to apply all buffs and debuffs. However that parse is nothing to brag with unless you compare it with another parse done exactly the same.WrathOfInnos wrote: »True, things that aren’t used in raids would not be useful for a raid DPS parse. But the examples people call cheese typically don’t apply this rule. I’ve heard Zaan called cheese, even though it is BiS on at least half the trial boss fights for ranged DPS. The same could be said for Siroria. Lover is commonly used by anyone killing crystals in vCR (at least 4 out of 7 DPS). Slimecraw is by far the best monster set for 4/5 classes in vAS.
Lava foot saltrice is an interesting example, I haven’t seen that one used much in raids, but it would probably be survivable in Craglorn trials with blade cloak and a good tank and healer. I would guess people are parsing with this food to get better sustain than bi-stat. This is probably more a more accurate representation of a raid rotation, since they will have orbs, and possibly Master resto ticks and Hircines. A solo rotation would otherwise have to rely on more heavy attacks that mean a different rotation than in a raid.
One example I don’t think I’ve ever heard called “cheese” is Ele Drain. It helps Magicka DPS sustain a parse even though they would never be the one run it in a raid. It changes their DPS rotation and skill bars. But somehow running regen food to do the same thing is frowned upon?
Yeah or the magicka one, eyeballs something. Perfectly legit to use in testing, because regen will be better in raids than solo.
Some people consider stacking pen as cheese - but you're gonna have that pen in a raid scenario.
Idk that it really matters tbh.
Spme guilds will have specific parse specs you need to follow anyway. Just for the parse.
However: you wouldn't believe how many high parse braggy types are falling over dead constantly in raids because they have no awareness other than their DPS meter.
#truestory
Simply stacking pen is gonna be considered cheese, deal with it. If your argument is that you’re imitating trial pen then you’re not imitating trial stats.
There are others that would say “In raid I would use x set for even more damage” are also the ones I can GUARRANTEE will deal less on any boss than on dummy, single target wise.