VMA makes me want to delete my Templar

dodgehopper_ESO

Every weakness of the Templar class is beautifully showcased in doing VMA. When maelstrom originally came out I was not able to play the game for almost a year. Since coming back I never really had the time or inclination to do a solo mission of this nature until this event. I have to say that doing VMA and sitting at the final boss right now makes me realize just how much I wish I could change classes. Stamina Templar is awful. I'd rather be Stamina or Mag anything but this. Does anyone else feel the same way? Does anyone have suggestions that would make this feel less like pulling out your teeth with a hammer and pliers (no painkiller of course)?

dodgehopper_ESO

It also reminds me how much I love when you click an ability that won't fire like potions, and you're clearly not cc'd as you're walking along...

SilverWF

In before someone popped with "I did vMA 5 years ago on my naked Templar lvl 49 flawless"

MJallday

Stamplars are simply not designed for vMA. I’d say it’s one of, if not THE hardest char to do it on by a LONG way

Kudos to anyone that can do it on a stamplar

dodgehopper_ESO

MJallday wrote: »

Stamplars are simply not designed for vMA. I’d say it’s one of, if not THE hardest char to do it on by a LONG way

Kudos to anyone that can do it on a stamplar

Its clear there are a lot of tools in other classes that would help. I'm chugging along though. I think I'll accidentally beat it eventually today, I just fear I may never want to play this character again after this. :P

Cage_Lizardman

I had done it before on magsorc, mag warden and stam warden, with flawless on the stam warden. Then I did it on my stamplar and it was still painful. I needed both VO and Bone Pirate to sustain properly.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Does anyone have suggestions that would make this feel less like pulling out your teeth with a hammer and pliers (no painkiller of course)?

No. It feels like that either way.

Dojohoda

VMA makes me want to delete my game

dodgehopper_ESO

Why oh why won't Eclipse work on bosses? Please ffs ZoS turn it into a flappy wing.

dodgehopper_ESO

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

I had done it before on magsorc, mag warden and stam warden, with flawless on the stam warden. Then I did it on my stamplar and it was still painful. I needed both VO and Bone Pirate to sustain properly.

Wouldn't it be nice if Templar had sustain? Ah, how I wish they would go back to the original design of a tanky, high sustain character.

Beruge

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Every weakness of the Templar class is beautifully showcased in doing VMA. When maelstrom originally came out I was not able to play the game for almost a year. Since coming back I never really had the time or inclination to do a solo mission of this nature until this event. I have to say that doing VMA and sitting at the final boss right now makes me realize just how much I wish I could change classes. Stamina Templar is awful. I'd rather be Stamina or Mag anything but this. Does anyone else feel the same way? Does anyone have suggestions that would make this feel less like pulling out your teeth with a hammer and pliers (no painkiller of course)?

I did it many times on my magplar but im not able to do it on stamplar. You should try another character tbh. Good luck

dodgehopper_ESO

Beruge wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Every weakness of the Templar class is beautifully showcased in doing VMA. When maelstrom originally came out I was not able to play the game for almost a year. Since coming back I never really had the time or inclination to do a solo mission of this nature until this event. I have to say that doing VMA and sitting at the final boss right now makes me realize just how much I wish I could change classes. Stamina Templar is awful. I'd rather be Stamina or Mag anything but this. Does anyone else feel the same way? Does anyone have suggestions that would make this feel less like pulling out your teeth with a hammer and pliers (no painkiller of course)?

I did it many times on my magplar but im not able to do it on stamplar. You should try another character tbh. Good luck

The only reason I'm trying to do this is because it is my main original character. I honestly would love to change classes with this guy as Templar just doesn't deliver on the spirit of what it offered. I'd love it if it felt like a Warrior Knight or a Priest. It does the priest thing fine, but it has much to be desired of on the Knight end of things as far as I'm concerned. Templar feels like a Bad nightblade that can't cc, cloak, or recover. Its horrible. I truly hate Stamina Templar.

Solariken

vMA is hard for sure, but if you use a high-efficiency build it's very doable. By that I mean minimizing buff/heal time and staying off your back foot.

This is a wee bit outdated, but here was my build back when I was running it:

https://youtu.be/jWS7WJKRyoY

And here is a no-death full gameplay video using the build:

https://youtu.be/JSkSWgzKdts

dodgehopper_ESO

You are a superhero Solariken =D

templesus

Im flawless on my stamplar. Its actually very easy with repetition. Practice. Makes. Perfect.

dodgehopper_ESO

templesus wrote: »

Im flawless on my stamplar. Its actually very easy with repetition. Practice. Makes. Perfect.

Practice doesn't make your abilities fire when they won't fire.

I'm getting very upset the way I click a potion 5 times and nothing happens. I know I'm not cc'd because I'm literally dodge rolling, walking, etc away from enemies and yet click click click click nothing happens. I get that beautiful message on my screen though that says 'potion ready'.

Then there's the break frees that won't break free. There's the interrupts that don't interrupt.

As for practice making perfect, I'm finding I'm actually getting worse as I go on, using up potions and repair kits like a mad fool. I can see why people on the forums talk about breaking their computers. This mission is infuriating.

TeamSeinfeld

I don’t have a stamplar

TeamSeinfeld

So I can’t offer any advice, but I find I’m really pulling for you!!

kadar

@dodgehopper_ESO

If you make some changes based on that guide and try some new strats I bet you get it in no time if you haven't already.

For my early clears on stamblade I used to use 2 sigils for the final boss fight:

• Drop all group dots and grab the power sigil as the boss spawns. This allows you to easy push him under 70% before the first daedroth spawns.
• Once you knock out the crystals up top, run straight for the shield sigil and take it. The first thing the boss always does after coming down is to channel the interruptable, global AOE attack. DON'T interrupt it. The shield sigil will reflect all it's damage back onto the boss and you won't take any at all.
• By the time he finishes channeling you should have him close if not into execute range

LMK how it goes

Doctordarkspawn

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Im flawless on my stamplar. Its actually very easy with repetition. Practice. Makes. Perfect.

Practice doesn't make your abilities fire when they won't fire.

I'm getting very upset the way I click a potion 5 times and nothing happens. I know I'm not cc'd because I'm literally dodge rolling, walking, etc away from enemies and yet click click click click nothing happens. I get that beautiful message on my screen though that says 'potion ready'.

Then there's the break frees that won't break free. There's the interrupts that don't interrupt.

As for practice making perfect, I'm finding I'm actually getting worse as I go on, using up potions and repair kits like a mad fool. I can see why people on the forums talk about breaking their computers. This mission is infuriating.

Sounds like lag or a localized glitch.

Wouldn't take VMA too hard, it isn't necessary to do good DPS and quite frankly people over-emphasize it's importance.

GaunterODim

Your potion problem probably comes from not being able to use them while youre jabbing as its a channel and I think thats why it doesnt work.

AndyMac

GaunterODim wrote: »

Your potion problem probably comes from not being able to use them while youre jabbing as its a channel and I think thats why it doesnt work.

I used to think I had a "skill that didn't work/ fire" problem in vMA- always harness too lol - but I think it was more a button mashing problem when trying to learn.

I have 300 ping so skills can take a while to actually fire - but now that I am a bit more experienced, I don't have them not fire at all.

Tan9oSuccka

Dojohoda wrote: »

VMA makes me want to delete my game

I agree. No thanks on VMA for me.

dodgehopper_ESO

The_Outsider wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO

If you make some changes based on that guide and try some new strats I bet you get it in no time if you haven't already.

For my early clears on stamblade I used to use 2 sigils for the final boss fight:

• Drop all group dots and grab the power sigil as the boss spawns. This allows you to easy push him under 70% before the first daedroth spawns.
• Once you knock out the crystals up top, run straight for the shield sigil and take it. The first thing the boss always does after coming down is to channel the interruptable, global AOE attack. DON'T interrupt it. The shield sigil will reflect all it's damage back onto the boss and you won't take any at all.
• By the time he finishes channeling you should have him close if not into execute range

LMK how it goes

Getting him to 70 isn't generally a problem for me unless I straight screw it up. The problem is the damage/snare/cc avoidance. I appreciate the cheers. Went ahead and ate dinner and the thing timed out. So I'll have to do portion 1-5 again. Going to use this opportunity to make a fat stack of potions, repairs, and maybe a few adjustments at the crafting station. I'll try the shield trick.

Beruge

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Every weakness of the Templar class is beautifully showcased in doing VMA. When maelstrom originally came out I was not able to play the game for almost a year. Since coming back I never really had the time or inclination to do a solo mission of this nature until this event. I have to say that doing VMA and sitting at the final boss right now makes me realize just how much I wish I could change classes. Stamina Templar is awful. I'd rather be Stamina or Mag anything but this. Does anyone else feel the same way? Does anyone have suggestions that would make this feel less like pulling out your teeth with a hammer and pliers (no painkiller of course)?

I did it many times on my magplar but im not able to do it on stamplar. You should try another character tbh. Good luck

The only reason I'm trying to do this is because it is my main original character. I honestly would love to change classes with this guy as Templar just doesn't deliver on the spirit of what it offered. I'd love it if it felt like a Warrior Knight or a Priest. It does the priest thing fine, but it has much to be desired of on the Knight end of things as far as I'm concerned. Templar feels like a Bad nightblade that can't cc, cloak, or recover. Its horrible. I truly hate Stamina Templar.

tbh stamplar has been getting the short straw for years. Their sustain is just too bad

Marabornwingrion

Dojohoda wrote: »

VMA makes me want to delete my game

Do it

Everstorm

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Im flawless on my stamplar. Its actually very easy with repetition. Practice. Makes. Perfect.

Practice doesn't make your abilities fire when they won't fire.

I'm getting very upset the way I click a potion 5 times and nothing happens. I know I'm not cc'd because I'm literally dodge rolling, walking, etc away from enemies and yet click click click click nothing happens. I get that beautiful message on my screen though that says 'potion ready'.

Then there's the break frees that won't break free. There's the interrupts that don't interrupt.

As for practice making perfect, I'm finding I'm actually getting worse as I go on, using up potions and repair kits like a mad fool. I can see why people on the forums talk about breaking their computers. This mission is infuriating.

Just asking: are you on a wireless connection? I had simular issues even with low latency that went poof when I finally put down a cable.

mocap

i remember someone post a video here on forum with stamplar running deathless vMA with 11k health. Can't find it on youtube. So it's viable, though could be hard as hell.

Switch to magplar.

my story, if you want:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5360109#Comment_5360109

don't give up )

Hostee

Is this a bad time to say I literally got my first flawless in vMA today?

MaleAmazon

Stamplar was my first clear on vMA IIRC. Yeah it´s hard. But vMA is *still* so much about mechanics. I play only stamina characters ATM, never no-death (not that interested in it TBH) but I has a somewhat comfortable run yesterday on my DW melee warden. My strategy on the last boss was;

(Switch ultimates to rend and healing forest)

1. Lightweight beast trap where boss spawns, initial rotation on boss (heavy attack, blood craze, asylum steel tornado, shrouded daggers blockcast in my case), roll back and get heal sigil.

2. Interrupt boss, kite crematorial guard, roll when I know boss attack comes, maybe pop potion but I can do it with blood craze / bloddthirst now.

3. Go up. Lightweight beast trap on crystal to the left, go right, roll on the one attack boss does, DPS crystal, keep DPSing crystal for a while when wall comes, run behind wall, DPS crystals with blood craze / rend with asylum spin for self heal, if I have too little DPS I jump down with healing ultimate saved up and kite the Crematorial Guard after or when wall #2 comes.

4. Go down, interrupt boss, take sigils, prioritize ghosts, win.

My build is anything but optimal, but I guess my point is once I´ve gotten to know it, I was able to make use of what I had. The fight is quite predictable and you want to take advantage of that.

What skills / equipment are you using though? I switched to Mighty Chudan for this, since I needed a bit more health and not having to recast resolve / ward is useful, also it frees up a skill slot. I have Sunderflame + Viper with asylum backbar otherwise, all DW. I know it´s not BiS, I just like the sets ... Sunderflame might have been nerfed for group content, but it was basically boosted for solo.

Sergykid

don't wanna brag, but it's doable. This year during free ESO+ week i finished again vma on my stamplar, on pvp build. All you need is to keep your defensives and heals up, damage comes over time. I finish it in one or one and half hours.

Jurand80

I tried it today on a magden and folded on the 2nd round. F magden... F templar. Magblade is life this patch