Major defile. Why does this status existsagain?

gannicus1389

I personally think major defile harms stamina classes more than anything. it is almost an indirect buff to sorcs as they already have crappy heals, but depend on big shields to survive.

I personally think a stats like major defile should not exist while it doesn't affect really shields.

I would like to see it thermajor defile affecting shields or have it just be deleted of the game.

Ankael07

Defile debuff exists because theres Mending and Vitality buff. You cant debuff damage shields because there is no increase damage shield buff.

huschdeguddzje

Healtanks that's why, I agree that it hurts other classes more than those wich its supposed to counter

Waffennacht

Micah_Bayer

A noobie making a thread before he even is max level does not have the understanding of how the game works, that is why the class reps had to have 1000 days in game time. You dont know what you're talking about. -Edit I have been here since beta.

Ampnode

Laziness and lack of creativity towards proper heal balancing. The good part about it is that it's to counter Major Mending/Vitality; however, those who don't have access to those buffs become nearly defenseless while those who do have access to those buffs have normal healing. Much like how Sload's was created to counter tanks, but hurts those who aren't tanks the most.

As for affecting shields? Yeah, it's annoying having to pound away at a sorc's shields until he runs out of magicka and inevitably dies, but this is also a lazy and non-creative idea to balance shields.

Kikke

Lol!

Xsorus

Because if you played any amount of time in PVP; you'd understand why it exists.

Crixus8000

To counter healers/tanks I guess.

As a stamsorc with no major healing/vitality I find it really hard to deal with sometimes in no cp, epecially when having multiple sloads/bleeds on me.

Baconlad

You don't pound on a sorc till his magic depletes...you pound on a sorc till his stamina is gone...

Baconlad

Not to mention you claim that defile is the counter for major vitality and major mending?!

You realize how incredibly difficult it is to keep up major mending? Let alone vitality. You have one monster set which pretty much only applies vitality if ur close enough to be hitting ur target...which you shouldn't be if ur trying to defend! Vitality and mending argument may have worked before the insanely unneeded nerfs to templar and Malubeth.

Defiles don't target heal tanks anyway. Heal tanks just purge their defiles away unless...your wearing duroks bane. Or a stamblade...or a toon with ridiculously easy ways to get defile. Defile needs to be as hard to get as major mending or major vitality not 10 times easier to get

gannicus1389

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

A noobie making a thread before he even is max level does not have the understanding of how the game works, that is why the class reps had to have 1000 days in game time. You dont know what you're talking about. -Edit I have been here since beta.

maybe you could answer my question instead

gannicus1389

Ankael07 wrote: »

Defile debuff exists because theres Mending and Vitality buff. You cant debuff damage shields because there is no increase damage shield buff.

I understand that. However, it is easier to have access to major defile than major mending.. is it not?

technohic

When you go against really good players, especially stam players actually; and you dont have defile. You quickly see why it is needed. Really a lot of problems trace back to the best offense stats also buffing active defenses and healing and the counter has been powerful debufs in both Maim and Defile. Could use some adjusting as it is pretty ridiculous but its like a necessary evil right now.

Ampnode

Baconlad wrote: »

You don't pound on a sorc till his magic depletes...you pound on a sorc till his stamina is gone...

This is... half-correct. You should not be running out of stamina on any magicka build, with the exception of block builds of course. On the non-block magicka builds I do play on, I've never had an instance where I thought to myself, "Man, I wish I had more stamina there." Your statement only applies to magicka users who are new to PvPing on a magicka build, which is where you'd be correct.

Building towards having sufficient stamina should be something every magicka user should touch up on because it's a big weakness when you neglect it. In high MMR BGs, magicka builds in general tend to not get stamina depleted because they've put this into consideration. Plus, templars usually throw down shards regularly.

Baconlad wrote: »

Not to mention you claim that defile is the counter for major vitality and major mending?!

You realize how incredibly difficult it is to keep up major mending? Let alone vitality. You have one monster set which pretty much only applies vitality if ur close enough to be hitting ur target...which you shouldn't be if ur trying to defend! Vitality and mending argument may have worked before the insanely unneeded nerfs to templar and Malubeth.

Defiles don't target heal tanks anyway. Heal tanks just purge their defiles away unless...your wearing duroks bane. Or a stamblade...or a toon with ridiculously easy ways to get defile. Defile needs to be as hard to get as major mending or major vitality not 10 times easier to get

I did say why they exist, but did you see where I also said Major Defile isn't a good thing? I don't like Major Defile just as much as the majority of the PvP community does because I'm being punished for something I don't have, and that's access to Major Mending/Vitality. There needs to be encouragement for Mending/Vitality/Defile reworks as a whole rather than wanting to affect even more players with this blanket fix to healing.

Just wait until next patch where healers become even more out of control because defile was nerfed to have cooldowns, which is yet again another blanket fix to a problem. The defile will be purged immediately and the healers will have a large window of pumping out max heals.

Didgerion

gannicus1389 wrote: »

I personally think major defile harms stamina classes more than anything. it is almost an indirect buff to sorcs as they already have crappy heals, but depend on big shields to survive.

I personally think a stats like major defile should not exist while it doesn't affect really shields.

I would like to see it thermajor defile affecting shields or have it just be deleted of the game.

Sorcs cannot inflict major defile, they need to use s+b for it, but that's a crippled sorc then.

gannicus1389

Ampnode wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

You don't pound on a sorc till his magic depletes...you pound on a sorc till his stamina is gone...

This is... half-correct. You should not be running out of stamina on any magicka build, with the exception of block builds of course. On the non-block magicka builds I do play on, I've never had an instance where I thought to myself, "Man, I wish I had more stamina there." Your statement only applies to magicka users who are new to PvPing on a magicka build, which is where you'd be correct.

Building towards having sufficient stamina should be something every magicka user should touch up on because it's a big weakness when you neglect it. In high MMR BGs, magicka builds in general tend to not get stamina depleted because they've put this into consideration. Plus, templars usually throw down shards regularly.

Baconlad wrote: »

Not to mention you claim that defile is the counter for major vitality and major mending?!

You realize how incredibly difficult it is to keep up major mending? Let alone vitality. You have one monster set which pretty much only applies vitality if ur close enough to be hitting ur target...which you shouldn't be if ur trying to defend! Vitality and mending argument may have worked before the insanely unneeded nerfs to templar and Malubeth.

Defiles don't target heal tanks anyway. Heal tanks just purge their defiles away unless...your wearing duroks bane. Or a stamblade...or a toon with ridiculously easy ways to get defile. Defile needs to be as hard to get as major mending or major vitality not 10 times easier to get

I did say why they exist, but did you see where I also said Major Defile isn't a good thing? I don't like Major Defile just as much as the majority of the PvP community does because I'm being punished for something I don't have, and that's access to Major Mending/Vitality. There needs to be encouragement for Mending/Vitality/Defile reworks as a whole rather than wanting to affect even more players with this blanket fix to healing.

Just wait until next patch where healers become even more out of control because defile was nerfed to have cooldowns, which is yet again another blanket fix to a problem. The defile will be purged immediately and the healers will have a large window of pumping out max heals.

I agree. healers make or break a game, but that is with most mmos out there.

Strider__Roshin

Defile exists because mending and vitality exists.

As far as shields go... Yeah they're too powerful in PvE, and shield stacking is too powerful in PvP.

Not sure what the best solution would be. Maybe limit the tool tip of a shield to your max health?

rfennell_ESO

gannicus1389 wrote: »

I personally think major defile harms stamina classes more than anything. it is almost an indirect buff to sorcs as they already have crappy heals, but depend on big shields to survive.

I personally think a stats like major defile should not exist while it doesn't affect really shields.

I would like to see it thermajor defile affecting shields or have it just be deleted of the game.

I'm guessing you haven't seen what it does to healing ward.

Because it basically makes it heal for nearly nothing at times.

Most (not all) stamina have rally and vigor. Many magicka classes need to rely on healing ward to heal... which on top of not being truly controllable as to where it will go is also wrecked by major defile.

I'm guessing it will be different next content patch as the major defile that is the most trouble (lethal arrow) is being gutted to 4 seconds from 10 seconds (which is the exact timing of healing ward's heal).

Aedaryl

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

I personally think major defile harms stamina classes more than anything. it is almost an indirect buff to sorcs as they already have crappy heals, but depend on big shields to survive.

I personally think a stats like major defile should not exist while it doesn't affect really shields.

I would like to see it thermajor defile affecting shields or have it just be deleted of the game.

I'm guessing you haven't seen what it does to healing ward.

Because it basically makes it heal for nearly nothing at times.

Most (not all) stamina have rally and vigor. Many magicka classes need to rely on healing ward to heal... which on top of not being truly controllable as to where it will go is also wrecked by major defile.

I'm guessing it will be different next content patch as the major defile that is the most trouble (lethal arrow) is being gutted to 4 seconds from 10 seconds (which is the exact timing of healing ward's heal).

kitten, healing ward heal you at the begining (used to go outside of execute range) and after 6s if the shield is still there.

Stratforge

Healing is overtuned in this game. It would be miserable without defile.

kadar

gannicus1389 wrote: »

I personally think major defile harms stamina classes more than anything. it is almost an indirect buff to sorcs as they already have crappy heals, but depend on big shields to survive.

I personally think a stats like major defile should not exist while it doesn't affect really shields.

I would like to see it thermajor defile affecting shields or have it just be deleted of the game.

If major defile were removed, ESO PVP would likely die. As it is, it can be difficult to kill a well-rounded PVP build. Remove Defile and nothing would die, ever. Especially in CP campaigns.

Second, but related, being unable to kill anyone is probably the least fun thing that you could possibly do in Cyo, IMO. Those of us who have been around long enough to remember tank/heal metas can probably relate w/ me on this.

*edit: pro-tip for making quality threads. Never suggest that anything should be "deleted from the game." It's not helpful and doesn't do anyone any favors...

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Because it’s the only counter balance to rampant healplars. Guessing you missed that meta. It was dumb AF and still a handful to deal with if you get 3-4 if they together in a group.

Feanor

Major Defile is an indirect buff to Sorcs? And I thought after years of reading the forum I had seen every reason why Sorc is presumably OP.

FYI, Sorcs have the fewest major and minor buffs in their class toolkit. Major Sorcery/Brutality, Minor Prophecy, Major Expedition, Major Ward/Resolve, Minor Ward/Resolve. That’s it.

Yes I get it, you can’t defile shields. We don’t get any of the healing buffs either though.

Ariades_swe

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Because it’s the only counter balance to rampant healplars. Guessing you missed that meta. It was dumb AF and still a handful to deal with if you get 3-4 if they together in a group.

Not only healplars try kill a competent well geared stam user without defile. My stamden, stamdk, stamblade, stamsorc won't get killed in a 1v1 without defile if they rocking heavy.

leepalmer95

Gl killing two cross healing magplar with defile.

Tbh it's nearly impossible even with it as it just gets purged.

JobooAGS

Didgerion wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

I personally think major defile harms stamina classes more than anything. it is almost an indirect buff to sorcs as they already have crappy heals, but depend on big shields to survive.

I personally think a stats like major defile should not exist while it doesn't affect really shields.

I would like to see it thermajor defile affecting shields or have it just be deleted of the game.

Sorcs cannot inflict major defile, they need to use s+b for it, but that's a crippled sorc then.

There is lethal arrow

Strider__Roshin

Feanor wrote: »

Major Defile is an indirect buff to Sorcs? And I thought after years of reading the forum I had seen every reason why Sorc is presumably OP.

FYI, Sorcs have the fewest major and minor buffs in their class toolkit. Major Sorcery/Brutality, Minor Prophecy, Major Expedition, Major Ward/Resolve, Minor Ward/Resolve. That’s it.

Yes I get it, you can’t defile shields. We don’t get any of the healing buffs either though.

You get Major Vitality from restraining prison which is the strongest self healing buff in the game.

Feanor

Daus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Major Defile is an indirect buff to Sorcs? And I thought after years of reading the forum I had seen every reason why Sorc is presumably OP.

FYI, Sorcs have the fewest major and minor buffs in their class toolkit. Major Sorcery/Brutality, Minor Prophecy, Major Expedition, Major Ward/Resolve, Minor Ward/Resolve. That’s it.

Yes I get it, you can’t defile shields. We don’t get any of the healing buffs either though.

You get Major Vitality from restraining prison which is the strongest self healing buff in the game.

Technically that’s true. If you can name one Sorc who has a bar slot for that outside of group play I’ll be impressed. That’s like saying magWarden doesn’t need a stun because they have class access to major breach.