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So... I, as a rule, do not start new threads on any of the forums I frequent. Well, it's not a rule really, but it is so uncommon that it might as well be one.
Almost always, when I feel the need to vent about something, it's about an issue that is bothering other folk too, and thus there tends to be a ready made thread about it.
But every now and then, I do get the need to say something, and to say that something strongly enough for me start my own thread about it, and not just tack my thoughts into a thread started by someone else. This is one of those times.
I also don't tag people, unless they tag me first. I find it odd to target specific people with my comments on an online forum, but in this case I will tag some people since I actually want to say these things to these specific people. Of course them being busy and all, an me being unhealthily verbose with my postings, I wont be too bothered about it if they just ignore my rant. However, I still feel I need to say these things, and say them to these specific people, so here goes:
@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
You see, last week on Tuesday I came across something on these forums that has been gnawing away at my mind. It wasn't anything specific in particular, just one more incident of a trend that has made me think about the reason I play this game. After a week or so of ruminating on it, I feel like I need to say something about it.
Anyway, the thing that triggered things was this:
No.
Just, no.
No way, not cool, not fun, not okay.
This game does no need yet more grind. This is the kinda stuff that does not make me play more. This is the sort of stuff that makes me play less.
I have a life, I have family and friends, and hobbies and things beside ESO to spend my time with. I also need to work for a living, and do not want to spend my free time working ESOstyle. I want to be able to log in two or three times a week and play 3-5 hours and actually accomplish something. I do not want to grind the same repetitive nonsense while praying at RNGesus to not make all my time invested meaningless.
Far too large a portion of playing ESO is repeating the same content over and over again. Sometimes maybe for hundreds of hours. Nothing is quite as aggravating as spending an inordinate amount of time trying to achieve something and fail, only to see some random player try it on a lark and succeed on the first try, and then hear them say:"Whatever, didn't really want it nor do I have a use for it." I don't know which is more infuriating - to have that random then ask half a million gold for it, or to have it account bound and have that other player just decon or vendor it as the trash it is for him.
A while back, I came across a comment, in a thread about monster style page drop rates, about running the dungeon couple of times each day until the page dropped, or until they'd get fed up and just buy it from a guild vendor.
I just can't see how anyone would be willing to do something like that. It's basically the same as saying:"I'm gonna watch the same Simpsons episode each day until I roll a nat twenty and can move on to some other equally soul numbing grind."
Repeating the same content over and over again for a 5% drop is not fun, it's not entertaining and it's not something I will do!
Also, a lot of people were posting about how they had run the same dungeon dozens of times with no luck, while others had gotten it with couple of runs. Same for the chest - Someone sinks 20 keys and gets nothing, another uses four keys and gets 2. That is aggravating on such a level, that it makes me, who didn't even bother to try to get them at all, punch someone responsible in the face. And I don't like feeling that way.
On one had it's cool that you added this element to the game, but at the same time it's not cool to make it so difficult to get, that a lot of people will just have to buy it from the lucky ones via guild stores. That is not cool. If you do the content, you should also get the prize. Stop relying on RNG nonsense to add longevity into your game!
And it's not like this is an isolated incident. Everything in ESO is always behind a ridiculous grind.
Another case in point: Alinor furnishing plans. - Granted, they drop with much better frequency than Morrowind plans, but they're still rare. And you get base game plans more often than Alinor plans.
The best way to get them is to park a character in Traitors Vault, check the 100 or so containers that are clustered close to each other, log out and log into another character parked in the same delve, and check the containers again. String 4 or 5 characters doing this in a cycle, and loot those same containers again and again and again.
After 3 or so hours of this ***, you should have one or two blue Alinor plans and possibly a purple plan for your troubles, in addition to bunch of various base game blues. The purple will most likely not be an Alinor plan, but a purple is a purple and can fetch a decent sum in a guild store and thus makes the time invested worthwhile.
Do this grind for 30 or so days And you should have most of the blue Alinor furnishing recipes and few of the purple ones too. That's what I've been doing with Summerset so far. It's easy, efficient and profitable.
But it isn't fun, it isn't entertaining, and it sure as hell is not rewarding. The drop rates are once again so low, that you will not get them by just playing the content, doing the quests and exploring Summerset. No, you need to grind for them, and the grind is mind numbingly dull. And in this case, apparently way too effective since, based on the PTS patch notes, Traitor's Vault is about to be nerfed.
Reading the PTS patch notes about upcoming changes and new features just sucks any enthusiasm I still might have left for playing ESO. Grind and more grind and some more grind to top that off. Everything that might constitute fun, at least for me, is piled under heaps and mounds of grind.
I still got plenty of do XX of some pointless daily for a pointless achievement to do. I haven't been able to arse myself into finishing the Psijic Grind, I haven't started the endless farming for the Big Eared Ginger Kitten(and that one I actually want), and still need gather all those parts for Precursor Maker quest from CWC. I still have some names to hit for the Blackest Sacrament FFS!. And I have done a ton of those hits! I vomit internally at the thought of trying to finish that one. And the gridn jsut keeps getting more epic than ever. AS a side note, jsut so you know, there is no way in hell I will do the 150 quests needed for the Murkmire Prepper title.
The thin is, that tomorrow I'll be hopping on a plane and flying to Japan for my summer vacation. I'll be spending a month or so there, gonna climb couple of mountains, do some river rafting (weather permitting) attend an expo, take a trip to a subtropical island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, see a concert and of course relax by bathing in hot springs. I'll be doing new things, gonna see new places, meet new people and generally just enjoy life.
Maybe that will be enough to refresh myself, and maybe I can get back into ESO once I return. But somehow i doubt it. All there really is in store is running around the same frigging virtual location time after time after time, doing the exact same thing over and over and over again, on the off chance of getting 1 piece of a multipart grind drop so that maybe at some point in the future I'll have 1 new cosmetic thing or maybe a fun piece of furnishing to place in my virtual home, and that *** just aint fun.
It just isn't. It's a waste of my life.
...
Looking at the "daily login bribes" for this month, I just can't but to feel like ZOS is desperate about player retention. Are subs going down? Are people spending less and less time online? I don't know about others, but I sure am.
I just don't care anymore. I have ton of grindy nonsense to "achieve" as is, and the devs just keep adding more and more grinds of ever increasing size to the game. I really can't keep up with this crap, and if I decide to not bother farming the next thing, then the next grind after that is even easier to pass on. If I didn't get the last cool addition to the game, why would I bother grinding the next one?
The way I see it, the only sensible way of "playing" this game is to wait until you have a few DLCs waiting for you, and the last chapter is on sale - then get the chapter and sub for a month and just do the story content and ignore everything else. It takes too much time, and is way too dull to even contemplate bothering with.
-sigh-
Now I get it, there are some people who are online 14 hours every day and who are running out of stuff to do. But maybe you guys could just you know do something else. It's not like ESO is the only game in the world. Adding content targeted to those who spend most of their waking hours in game is not really a good idea. Well, for the majority of players anyway.
MMOs do not need grind. They need dynamic systems the players can engage with. And a steady stream of new pieces to fiddle with. PVP by it's own nature is a dynamic system. It just needs an occasional twist or such to keep things fresh. Like how about you close the closest gap in the barriers between the factions. I.e. close the gate between Ash and Nikel, the gate between Chalman and Bleaker, and break the Alessia bridge. This would force players to use the two other paths, and would change the dynamics a lot. Then after 6 or so months the gates could be re-opened, and the bridge repaired. It would keep the game fresh.
Another dynamic system is housing - or it would be if it wasn't buried under unforgiving grind and real money purchases. New smaller homes, and more mansions available for gold would give players a reason to stick with ESO, to putter about their virtual homes. But since most "cool" homes are real money only, a lot of people end up buying them already furnished and... Well if the place is already cluttered up, there isn't much reason to do it yourself. Besides making your own furnishings takes a lot of time and effort or a ton of real life money so, why bother with it?
I suppose the Outfit system could've been a candidate for a dynamic system for the players to tinker with. I mean, there are plenty of people who enjoy putting together new looks for their characters. And the way they look is a really big thing for some players. But again, the grind for the motifs (and now outfit styles too) and the gold sink built into the system and the exorbitant crown prices slapped on outfit slots prevents this from happening,
If ESO wants to be the one who breaks the mold, the one who tries a different approach to MMOs, then the devs have gotta say farewell to the grind. Instead of grind they should aim at giving players more interactive tools with which they can create their own dynamic content. You do that and people will stick by your game. Heap more grind on the lot and you will just slowly drive away those customers who do not want to devote their whole lives into playing one game, and one game only.
See, I want a game where I can login and decide that I want a certain doodah or a specific thingamajig. Maybe some new piece of gear or a weapon of certain sort and style, or maybe a cool feature piece for my home. I then should be able to go and pursue that thing. Maybe spend couple of hours running through the hoops necessary to get that thing, but to get it in the end all the same. I should not have to grind dozens of time the same stuff and hope I get it, and more often than not then spend then next 3 hours going through guild vendors in hopes of finding one for a sensible price.
I want to play a game where I can set attainable goals for myself, to spend my time doing fun things like PVP and decorating my virtual homes. I do not want a game where I need to spend most of my time farming stuff that makes me able to PVP, only to have the next patch change everything again and forcing me to go farm new stuff to remain competitive.
I want to be able to just log on and spend couple of hours decorating my house isntead of spending countless hours farming for mats and recipes or spending hour upon hour going through the hundred or so guild traders in the game in hopes of finding one for a reasonable price.
There is plenty of fun to be had in ESO, but there is far more work to be done, and endless grind and busybody work that is not fun, entertaining or interesting.
I used to logon daily but I no longer do. When you introduced daily login rewards, I stated that your daily bribes are not gonna make me login any more than I want anyway. You cannot band-aid this issue away. It's a fundamental rot that has settled into every aspect of the game. I do not want my entertainment to feel more tedious than my job!
... So yeah, that's pretty much what I wanted to say. Couple of days from now I'll be far far from home and far far away from ESO. On my previous vacations, I still kept an eye on the forums and on what was happening, but I don't think I will this time. In fact I think I will, after posting this, close the forum tab on my browser (Something I haven't done in years) and just ignore it altogether.
So until I return, and how ever long it takes for me to bother relogging to the forums, I will not pay attention to ESO in general. And will not read the forums at all. So I won't know what sort of response this post is gonna get, and what others will have to say about it, nor will I be able to respond to anything anyone else might post. S okeep taht in mind and don't take it personally if I wont respond for a while.
Maybe I will find some interest in keeping playing the game once I return, or I might not. I doubt I'll abandon it altogether, I'll still keep playing to some degree. It's just that I really can't see myself wasting my life with chasing all these new grinds that keep getting added to it. Enough's enough, and my enough was already here before Summerset even launched. So bye for now and see you in a month or so, I'm going on a vacation.
Almost always, when I feel the need to vent about something, it's about an issue that is bothering other folk too, and thus there tends to be a ready made thread about it.
But every now and then, I do get the need to say something, and to say that something strongly enough for me start my own thread about it, and not just tack my thoughts into a thread started by someone else. This is one of those times.
I also don't tag people, unless they tag me first. I find it odd to target specific people with my comments on an online forum, but in this case I will tag some people since I actually want to say these things to these specific people. Of course them being busy and all, an me being unhealthily verbose with my postings, I wont be too bothered about it if they just ignore my rant. However, I still feel I need to say these things, and say them to these specific people, so here goes:
@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
You see, last week on Tuesday I came across something on these forums that has been gnawing away at my mind. It wasn't anything specific in particular, just one more incident of a trend that has made me think about the reason I play this game. After a week or so of ruminating on it, I feel like I need to say something about it.
Anyway, the thing that triggered things was this:
Murkmire Teaser Event
Get a preview of the upcoming Murkmire DLC with an exciting new teaser, now available to test on the PTS. You can start this quest by finding the NPC Concordia Mercius outside the cities of Daggerfall, Vulkhel Guard, or Davon's Watch, or by simply obtaining the leaflet “Cyrodilic Collections Needs You” from the Featured section of the Crown Store. This event features more than just a single quest and includes the following:
- Two full-length Story Quests featuring new characters, new monsters, new Quest Rewards, and a new Murkmire-themed island, all ready for exploration.
- A complete set of Daily Quests with their own Quest Rewards and Achievements, including the chance to get a brand new Murkmire pet.
- Each Daily Quest can be completed once each day.
- You can earn Daily Rewards and Achievement progress for each completion.
- The luminescent Swamp Jelly Pet can be obtained by acquiring the seven parts of its Runebox and combining them.
- These Runebox Fragments can be obtained by completing daily quests for the Cyrodilic Collections company in Shadowfen, unlocked after completing the quest "The Cursed Skull".
No.
Just, no.
No way, not cool, not fun, not okay.
This game does no need yet more grind. This is the kinda stuff that does not make me play more. This is the sort of stuff that makes me play less.
I have a life, I have family and friends, and hobbies and things beside ESO to spend my time with. I also need to work for a living, and do not want to spend my free time working ESOstyle. I want to be able to log in two or three times a week and play 3-5 hours and actually accomplish something. I do not want to grind the same repetitive nonsense while praying at RNGesus to not make all my time invested meaningless.
Far too large a portion of playing ESO is repeating the same content over and over again. Sometimes maybe for hundreds of hours. Nothing is quite as aggravating as spending an inordinate amount of time trying to achieve something and fail, only to see some random player try it on a lark and succeed on the first try, and then hear them say:"Whatever, didn't really want it nor do I have a use for it." I don't know which is more infuriating - to have that random then ask half a million gold for it, or to have it account bound and have that other player just decon or vendor it as the trash it is for him.
A while back, I came across a comment, in a thread about monster style page drop rates, about running the dungeon couple of times each day until the page dropped, or until they'd get fed up and just buy it from a guild vendor.
I just can't see how anyone would be willing to do something like that. It's basically the same as saying:"I'm gonna watch the same Simpsons episode each day until I roll a nat twenty and can move on to some other equally soul numbing grind."
Repeating the same content over and over again for a 5% drop is not fun, it's not entertaining and it's not something I will do!
Also, a lot of people were posting about how they had run the same dungeon dozens of times with no luck, while others had gotten it with couple of runs. Same for the chest - Someone sinks 20 keys and gets nothing, another uses four keys and gets 2. That is aggravating on such a level, that it makes me, who didn't even bother to try to get them at all, punch someone responsible in the face. And I don't like feeling that way.
On one had it's cool that you added this element to the game, but at the same time it's not cool to make it so difficult to get, that a lot of people will just have to buy it from the lucky ones via guild stores. That is not cool. If you do the content, you should also get the prize. Stop relying on RNG nonsense to add longevity into your game!
And it's not like this is an isolated incident. Everything in ESO is always behind a ridiculous grind.
Another case in point: Alinor furnishing plans. - Granted, they drop with much better frequency than Morrowind plans, but they're still rare. And you get base game plans more often than Alinor plans.
The best way to get them is to park a character in Traitors Vault, check the 100 or so containers that are clustered close to each other, log out and log into another character parked in the same delve, and check the containers again. String 4 or 5 characters doing this in a cycle, and loot those same containers again and again and again.
After 3 or so hours of this ***, you should have one or two blue Alinor plans and possibly a purple plan for your troubles, in addition to bunch of various base game blues. The purple will most likely not be an Alinor plan, but a purple is a purple and can fetch a decent sum in a guild store and thus makes the time invested worthwhile.
Do this grind for 30 or so days And you should have most of the blue Alinor furnishing recipes and few of the purple ones too. That's what I've been doing with Summerset so far. It's easy, efficient and profitable.
But it isn't fun, it isn't entertaining, and it sure as hell is not rewarding. The drop rates are once again so low, that you will not get them by just playing the content, doing the quests and exploring Summerset. No, you need to grind for them, and the grind is mind numbingly dull. And in this case, apparently way too effective since, based on the PTS patch notes, Traitor's Vault is about to be nerfed.
Reading the PTS patch notes about upcoming changes and new features just sucks any enthusiasm I still might have left for playing ESO. Grind and more grind and some more grind to top that off. Everything that might constitute fun, at least for me, is piled under heaps and mounds of grind.
I still got plenty of do XX of some pointless daily for a pointless achievement to do. I haven't been able to arse myself into finishing the Psijic Grind, I haven't started the endless farming for the Big Eared Ginger Kitten(and that one I actually want), and still need gather all those parts for Precursor Maker quest from CWC. I still have some names to hit for the Blackest Sacrament FFS!. And I have done a ton of those hits! I vomit internally at the thought of trying to finish that one. And the gridn jsut keeps getting more epic than ever. AS a side note, jsut so you know, there is no way in hell I will do the 150 quests needed for the Murkmire Prepper title.
The thin is, that tomorrow I'll be hopping on a plane and flying to Japan for my summer vacation. I'll be spending a month or so there, gonna climb couple of mountains, do some river rafting (weather permitting) attend an expo, take a trip to a subtropical island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, see a concert and of course relax by bathing in hot springs. I'll be doing new things, gonna see new places, meet new people and generally just enjoy life.
Maybe that will be enough to refresh myself, and maybe I can get back into ESO once I return. But somehow i doubt it. All there really is in store is running around the same frigging virtual location time after time after time, doing the exact same thing over and over and over again, on the off chance of getting 1 piece of a multipart grind drop so that maybe at some point in the future I'll have 1 new cosmetic thing or maybe a fun piece of furnishing to place in my virtual home, and that *** just aint fun.
It just isn't. It's a waste of my life.
...
Looking at the "daily login bribes" for this month, I just can't but to feel like ZOS is desperate about player retention. Are subs going down? Are people spending less and less time online? I don't know about others, but I sure am.
I just don't care anymore. I have ton of grindy nonsense to "achieve" as is, and the devs just keep adding more and more grinds of ever increasing size to the game. I really can't keep up with this crap, and if I decide to not bother farming the next thing, then the next grind after that is even easier to pass on. If I didn't get the last cool addition to the game, why would I bother grinding the next one?
The way I see it, the only sensible way of "playing" this game is to wait until you have a few DLCs waiting for you, and the last chapter is on sale - then get the chapter and sub for a month and just do the story content and ignore everything else. It takes too much time, and is way too dull to even contemplate bothering with.
-sigh-
Now I get it, there are some people who are online 14 hours every day and who are running out of stuff to do. But maybe you guys could just you know do something else. It's not like ESO is the only game in the world. Adding content targeted to those who spend most of their waking hours in game is not really a good idea. Well, for the majority of players anyway.
MMOs do not need grind. They need dynamic systems the players can engage with. And a steady stream of new pieces to fiddle with. PVP by it's own nature is a dynamic system. It just needs an occasional twist or such to keep things fresh. Like how about you close the closest gap in the barriers between the factions. I.e. close the gate between Ash and Nikel, the gate between Chalman and Bleaker, and break the Alessia bridge. This would force players to use the two other paths, and would change the dynamics a lot. Then after 6 or so months the gates could be re-opened, and the bridge repaired. It would keep the game fresh.
Another dynamic system is housing - or it would be if it wasn't buried under unforgiving grind and real money purchases. New smaller homes, and more mansions available for gold would give players a reason to stick with ESO, to putter about their virtual homes. But since most "cool" homes are real money only, a lot of people end up buying them already furnished and... Well if the place is already cluttered up, there isn't much reason to do it yourself. Besides making your own furnishings takes a lot of time and effort or a ton of real life money so, why bother with it?
I suppose the Outfit system could've been a candidate for a dynamic system for the players to tinker with. I mean, there are plenty of people who enjoy putting together new looks for their characters. And the way they look is a really big thing for some players. But again, the grind for the motifs (and now outfit styles too) and the gold sink built into the system and the exorbitant crown prices slapped on outfit slots prevents this from happening,
If ESO wants to be the one who breaks the mold, the one who tries a different approach to MMOs, then the devs have gotta say farewell to the grind. Instead of grind they should aim at giving players more interactive tools with which they can create their own dynamic content. You do that and people will stick by your game. Heap more grind on the lot and you will just slowly drive away those customers who do not want to devote their whole lives into playing one game, and one game only.
See, I want a game where I can login and decide that I want a certain doodah or a specific thingamajig. Maybe some new piece of gear or a weapon of certain sort and style, or maybe a cool feature piece for my home. I then should be able to go and pursue that thing. Maybe spend couple of hours running through the hoops necessary to get that thing, but to get it in the end all the same. I should not have to grind dozens of time the same stuff and hope I get it, and more often than not then spend then next 3 hours going through guild vendors in hopes of finding one for a sensible price.
I want to play a game where I can set attainable goals for myself, to spend my time doing fun things like PVP and decorating my virtual homes. I do not want a game where I need to spend most of my time farming stuff that makes me able to PVP, only to have the next patch change everything again and forcing me to go farm new stuff to remain competitive.
I want to be able to just log on and spend couple of hours decorating my house isntead of spending countless hours farming for mats and recipes or spending hour upon hour going through the hundred or so guild traders in the game in hopes of finding one for a reasonable price.
There is plenty of fun to be had in ESO, but there is far more work to be done, and endless grind and busybody work that is not fun, entertaining or interesting.
I used to logon daily but I no longer do. When you introduced daily login rewards, I stated that your daily bribes are not gonna make me login any more than I want anyway. You cannot band-aid this issue away. It's a fundamental rot that has settled into every aspect of the game. I do not want my entertainment to feel more tedious than my job!
... So yeah, that's pretty much what I wanted to say. Couple of days from now I'll be far far from home and far far away from ESO. On my previous vacations, I still kept an eye on the forums and on what was happening, but I don't think I will this time. In fact I think I will, after posting this, close the forum tab on my browser (Something I haven't done in years) and just ignore it altogether.
So until I return, and how ever long it takes for me to bother relogging to the forums, I will not pay attention to ESO in general. And will not read the forums at all. So I won't know what sort of response this post is gonna get, and what others will have to say about it, nor will I be able to respond to anything anyone else might post. S okeep taht in mind and don't take it personally if I wont respond for a while.
Maybe I will find some interest in keeping playing the game once I return, or I might not. I doubt I'll abandon it altogether, I'll still keep playing to some degree. It's just that I really can't see myself wasting my life with chasing all these new grinds that keep getting added to it. Enough's enough, and my enough was already here before Summerset even launched. So bye for now and see you in a month or so, I'm going on a vacation.
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✭End of text walls pls- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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✭I'm old and have nothing much that I can do. It is too hot here in Florida to venture outside. ESO is one of my main entertainments. I can't do too much focused combat and such at a time so grinding and crafting give me a nice distraction for the all too quickly coming inevitability. I like it and am looking forward to Murkmire. I can understand that some may wish this was a quicker and shorter game though. If indeed that is you and you decide to leave I'll be happy to take any of your unwanted stuff.3 -
jaschacasadiob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭You doubled their AWS monthly bill with this text"Yesterday while searching a barrel in vVoM I found a lemon. Best drop of the whole run."
Protect the weak. Heal the sick.
Treasure the gifts of friendship. Seek joy and inspiration in the mysteries of love.
Honor the Earth, its creatures, and the spirits. Use Nature's gifts wisely. Respect her power. Fear her fury.4 -
Rudal✭✭✭The way I see it, the only sensible way of "playing" this game is to wait until you have a few DLCs waiting for you, and the last chapter is on sale - then get the chapter and sub for a month and just do the story content and ignore everything else. It takes too much time, and is way too dull to even contemplate bothering with.
I agree with you wholeheartedly and this is the way I play this game. I really like the quests and the story but with the way ZOS gated everything behind the grind I just can't be bothered to do it.
I tried to complete the Ebonshadow motif set as I really love how it looks. I've been doing dailies to get this for over 3 months now on 3 characters (four soon) and I still didn't even get the half of it...
Now I have more fun things to do, after September I will come back to Summerest to do the quests and story and I won't bother with any grinding.
Enjoy your holidays mate and forget about unnecessary things, have fun.
PS: Shame that people nowadays are too lazy to even read the post and all you get is complains that they have to read something more than McDonalds menu...
Edited by Rudal on August 7, 2018 9:42PM- And is your heart black and full of hate? - Black as midnight, black as pitch, blacker than the foulest witch... -4 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭played this game since pre release.
way past cp cap. grand master crafter and all that stuff.
have done no grinding. none.
not one bit of grind....1 -
Hokiewa✭✭✭✭The way I see it, the only sensible way of "playing" this game is to wait until you have a few DLCs waiting for you, and the last chapter is on sale - then get the chapter and sub for a month and just do the story content and ignore everything else. It takes too much time, and is way too dull to even contemplate bothering with.
I agree with you wholeheartedly and this is the way I play this game. I really like the quests and the story but with the way ZOS gated everything behind the grind I just can't be bothered to do it.
I tried to complete the Ebonshadow motif set as I really love how it looks. I've been doing dailies to get this for over 3 months now on 3 characters (four soon) and I still didn't even get the half of it...
Now I have more fun things to do, after September I will come back to Summerest to do the quests and story and I won't bother with any grinding.
Enjoy your holidays mate and forget about unnecessary things, have fun.
PS: Shame that people nowadays are too lazy to even read the post and all you get is complains that they have to read something more than McDonalds menu...
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✭✭MMOs are all about the grind, you dont like it?
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.1 -
Ragebull✭✭✭✭✭Truth is the game isn’t made for you and it shouldn’t be adjusted just for people like you
Btw I bet you could’ve farmed a ton of mats in the time it took you to write that wall of text about your busy life with all your hobbies and friends2 -
GawdSB✭✭✭✭✭ESO is nothing but RNG and it gets tiring. I've been grinding trying to get BSW Inferno Staff for about a week now and I haven't seen it once. And all they do is just add more to the already riddles RNGfest to add more for us to grind for and less for us to actually enjoy.
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✭Why don't you just play on the pts. There you get everything you could ever want for free with no effort needed.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The problem isn't the grind. The problem is being a completionist. You need to accept you won't get all in-game rewards if you aren't willing to put in the effort. You will be fine without the reward.
There are a considerable number of people who enjoy the achievement of getting hard to achieve items. If that is not your cup of tea, that is valid. But let's stop with the nonsense of insulting those wiling to repeat content to get what they want. That is part of the game and many people come here for that. I personally am not a fan as I find I am often spending chunks of time and getting little out of it. That is why I am on and off, subbing when the larger DLCs/Expansions get released and doing something else in between.
I can't imagine any game would satisfy me year-round as much as playing multiple games.
And if you want to be able to PvP without any grind, play a MOBA or other game type that is like that. This is a RPG.Edited by DaveMoeDee on August 8, 2018 1:36AM0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Truth is the game isn’t made for you and it shouldn’t be adjusted just for people like you
Btw I bet you could’ve farmed a ton of mats in the time it took you to write that wall of text about your busy life with all your hobbies and friends
Thing is, ESO is actually still a great game for people who don't want to grind -- so long as they aren't completionists and don't expect to get every in-game reward.1 -
Smitch_59✭✭✭✭✭I share many of the OP's opinions. I still log on every day, but mostly just to do writs and a few dailies. Lately I've been feeling quite bored of the grind. I'm thinking I just need to take a break for a few months.By Azura, by Azura, by Azura!0 -
TheValar85✭✭✭✭✭hm that was very informative to be honest. and so true in every points.
btw if you guys thinking this game is not for him you cant say that becasue it is not up to you to tell him something like this. it will never be anyway. it is hes decision not yours.
To be honest this is how it looks when some one is burning out (it is perfectly normal and hes right if you can see through the lines) and the funny thing is
it will happens with you all soon enough. You'll see. 
so dont try to complain about hes post
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xAk_MoRRoWiNdx✭✭✭I want to start out with that this OP has SO MUCH STUFF in the post, it's sorta hard to see if there's a main theme. My comment below is probably going to resemble the OP lmao. Here goes:
I can't really give any suggestions to such, but I think they need to change their business model(s). I think everything might have changed when they went from subscribe to play to buy to play.
Since they don't have a constant stream of money from the subs, they had to move to a different source of income i.e. Crown Store microtransactions. I think they get most of their money from new players/not long time players that see shiny things (and by shiny I mean basically anything attractive) and want to buy things. "OMG look at me, I'm RP'ing as a cute pirate weeeeee".
I was watching a video a while ago about how a lot of the issues with this game come from that Firor person I think. He's higher than like Gina and Wrobel (who I think might actually get too much hate, hmmm)
But something I've seen a bit is changing systems to one that uses tokens. Instead of the garbage RNG for everything, use tokens. Want a nirnhoned VMA bow? Play VMA enough times to accumulate enough tokens to buy it. That way you KNOW you'll get it, instead of spending countless days in there and never getting it.
I not really sure how to word this section properly cause I have a lot to say but not sure how to say it. So sorry about this:
For games that rely on RNG, it's tricky business. It artificially keeps you in the game because there's nothing really keeping the game from dropping that Nirnhoned VMA bow (I'm gonna keep using that as my example cause I kinda want it lol). If everything was immediately handed to you, what would you play the game for then? It keeps people wanting to come back/stay and try to get what they want, or it drives people away because of the maddening grind for everything and then not being able to compete against people because of the divide RNG makes.
There are people that like RNG. Here are some examples why:- Because it gives excitement of "Am I going to get that bow finally!?"
- As said above, it gives people something to do. Like elderly people that don't do anything, so they just grind for stuff, kids out of school, injured people that are out of work temporarily, etc.
- Sort of like one but not quite, there are just some weird people that just like to grind. That's it! They just do.
But yes, RNG sucks but it's sort of necessary. But if you heavily base your game on it, ehhh... you might need to check how your game runs.
As for stuff like Murkmire, I'm not interested in it in the least and I can't fathom how anyone else could be too. Swamps. Bam. Go play in Shadowfen! The only dungeon pack I bought was Shadows of the Hist and I've only done Ruins on normal because it came up in the random dungeon queue. I don't like PvE for a couple reasons- It never changes. It's static. Run vet Maw once, you'll NEVER see anything change again.
- Elitist in the community. "if yew don av de sharp staf, yew kant play wit uussss. Yew kneed foorty-for keh dameguh minimom" It's always a DPS rush and golding your gear out is super expensive (especially if you don't have the time to invest into the game to farm mats or make money to buy mats"
- IT'S SUPER HARD. I find it ironic that I'm saying this because I hate how Skyrim was oversimplified and easy compared to Morrowind (hense my name heh) but the DLC dungeons and most vet Trials are brutal! It seems with every dungeon pack they come out with, they make them harder and harder, and cater to the long time people. I wish they weren't so hard. I want to do vet Cradle of Shadows for a Veli helmet but with the horror stories I've heard... The DLC vet dungeons get seemingly harder and harder with each DLC. WGT/ICP...ROM/CoS...Horns of the reach and dragons bones. Why spend money on stuff I wont enjoy and then there's point one. Can't even see if I will enjoy it if I can't group.
- It matters what class you play. Stam by default has a MUCH harder time in both PvE and PvP because of lack of class abilities and shields (shields is more of a matter for PvE however) but It changes with each patch seemingly "Oh man Magsorc for the win, pet builds!" "Wow StamDK is broken AF fam!" "What are you talking about DK is best for damage? Stamblade is the best!!" (I main stamblade). This goes back to point 2. The elitism. I want to do PvE but I don't have the gear or such and don't main the meta, so no one is going to take me. Doing PvE on my Stamblade sucks horribly but at least I'm comfortable with it because of my time dump (RIP siphoning attacks though. I hate my sustain!!)
Maybe I'll edit this later, Idk. I hope this helped the OP but I felt like I had statements I wanted to make also. For everyone, take this comment as you will. Meh.New to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
Gamer from Alaska (907 Gamers, Alaskan Gamers Unite!).
My little rant I guess?:
Don't nerf you, don't nerf me, nerf the sorc behind the tree!.
If you need help or advice, hit me up on Xbox: H4rry Poggers :D .
Also open to talking on Discord!
Ich kann Deutsch Sprechen bei der mittleren/zwischen Kenntnissen Ebene. Hallo! :D.
CP level 1000+! Playing since 2015.
My wishlist I suppose:- PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEAAASSSEEE EITHER BUFF SIPHONING STRIKES OR REVERT IT BACK TO PRE MORROWIND!!.
- Bring back purge cloak. But I guess the new heal cloak is more beneficial. Hmmm....
- MAKE IMPERIAL CITY GREAT AGAIN, BRING BACK THOSE INCREDIBLE DAYS. My best experiences in ESO where in there!
- Return Stam builds to the power we held in One Tamriel. Long Live Stamina builds!
- Put Magplar and MagDK into their place. Magpsorc is a hopeless case.
- Is there any chance that we could get an Ebonheart Pact nerf? #CullingTheHerds .
My 10 characters:- AD - xak-Morrowindx - Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. Hours: 107 days, 19 hours (2,568 hours).
- EP - Ich bin Groot - Orc Stamina Dragonknight. Hours: 2 days, 16 hours (64 hours).
- DC - Who Took My Bleach - Orc Stamina Sorcerer. Hours: 3 days, 18 hours. (90 hours).
- EP - Niada Zaennon - High Elf Magicka Nightblade. Hours: 15 days, 18 hours (378 hours).
- AD - Healsyournoobazzwithmemes - Argonian Magicka Templar. Hours: 1 day, 9 hours (33 hours)
- DC - Engulfing Traps - Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight. Hours: 7 days, 17 hours (129 hours).
- AD - Verführung - High Elf Magicka Sorcerer. Hours: 5 days, 9 hours (129 hours)
- DC - Deadazz catch these birds - Nord Stamina Warden. Hours: 6 days, 21 hours (165 hours)
- EP - So Bendy - Wood Elf Stamina Templar. Hours: 1 day, 15 hours (39 hours)
- EP - Smash that mf Like button - Breton Magicka Warden. Hours: 20 hours, 20 minutes.
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Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I like the way the Thieves guild costume looks, so I just stick with that, so no grind to chase motifs here, though I am in ful agreement splitting them into each individual weapon and armor type was a bit beyond the pale. I'd much prefer motifs split into drafting types, eg Light and medium, Heavy, Wood, Metal weps. More than enough.
Engaging content keeps people coming back. Grinding will just eventually give them the irrits.1 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭Im with OP until the magnificent vacation to japan and the cool stuff :-)
Whats that cost? A month of room, food, and activities?"The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"
Insight to Agree to Awesome Ratio = 1:6.04:2.76 as of 1/25/2019
Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.0 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Why are you complaining about there being a reward for people to do things in the game? This game does not need to be watered down any more than it is.. As it stands now this game is a babies first mmo in so many ways!
Also would like to say that just because people like to farm for hard to obtain items doesn't mean they have no life and your threat about wanting to not play because you cannot obtain an item or items within 2 days is just crazy!
I know people that have actually LEFT the game because of things are becoming to casual.. For one I have a friend that spent MONTHS farming VMA for item drops with the traits they needed. He could run VMA in 30ish minutes and would do so a number of times a day. When the transmute system came he left. How is it fair to him that he actually busted his butt to get these items and now every joe can get them? And you know what? I would chance a bet that he has spent more cash in this game than any 3 people on this thread..
And yes he has a life he was Air force and a family...Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
TheValar85✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »I would chance a bet that he has spent more cash in this game than any 3 people on this thread..
Dont bet on that you will be shocked to the core trust me.
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭TheValar85 wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »I would chance a bet that he has spent more cash in this game than any 3 people on this thread..
Dont bet on that you will be shocked to the core trust me.
MAYBE
But after he broke the 1k mark we all thought he was insane.. He bought items for his wife and stuff for the guild with some of it..
There fixed....Edited by Funkopotamus on August 8, 2018 3:23AMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
xAk_MoRRoWiNdx✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »TheValar85 wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »I would chance a bet that he has spent more cash in this game than any 3 people on this thread..
Dont bet on that you will be shocked to the core trust me.
MAYBE
But after he broke the 1k mark we all thought he was insane.. He bought his wife and stuff for the guild with some of it..
Wait WHAT. He bought his wife!?
Yes Officer, this man over here...New to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
Gamer from Alaska (907 Gamers, Alaskan Gamers Unite!).
My little rant I guess?:
Don't nerf you, don't nerf me, nerf the sorc behind the tree!.
If you need help or advice, hit me up on Xbox: H4rry Poggers :D .
Also open to talking on Discord!
Ich kann Deutsch Sprechen bei der mittleren/zwischen Kenntnissen Ebene. Hallo! :D.
CP level 1000+! Playing since 2015.
My wishlist I suppose:- PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEAAASSSEEE EITHER BUFF SIPHONING STRIKES OR REVERT IT BACK TO PRE MORROWIND!!.
- Bring back purge cloak. But I guess the new heal cloak is more beneficial. Hmmm....
- MAKE IMPERIAL CITY GREAT AGAIN, BRING BACK THOSE INCREDIBLE DAYS. My best experiences in ESO where in there!
- Return Stam builds to the power we held in One Tamriel. Long Live Stamina builds!
- Put Magplar and MagDK into their place. Magpsorc is a hopeless case.
- Is there any chance that we could get an Ebonheart Pact nerf? #CullingTheHerds .
My 10 characters:- AD - xak-Morrowindx - Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. Hours: 107 days, 19 hours (2,568 hours).
- EP - Ich bin Groot - Orc Stamina Dragonknight. Hours: 2 days, 16 hours (64 hours).
- DC - Who Took My Bleach - Orc Stamina Sorcerer. Hours: 3 days, 18 hours. (90 hours).
- EP - Niada Zaennon - High Elf Magicka Nightblade. Hours: 15 days, 18 hours (378 hours).
- AD - Healsyournoobazzwithmemes - Argonian Magicka Templar. Hours: 1 day, 9 hours (33 hours)
- DC - Engulfing Traps - Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight. Hours: 7 days, 17 hours (129 hours).
- AD - Verführung - High Elf Magicka Sorcerer. Hours: 5 days, 9 hours (129 hours)
- DC - Deadazz catch these birds - Nord Stamina Warden. Hours: 6 days, 21 hours (165 hours)
- EP - So Bendy - Wood Elf Stamina Templar. Hours: 1 day, 15 hours (39 hours)
- EP - Smash that mf Like button - Breton Magicka Warden. Hours: 20 hours, 20 minutes.
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TheValar85✭✭✭✭✭xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »TheValar85 wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »I would chance a bet that he has spent more cash in this game than any 3 people on this thread..
Dont bet on that you will be shocked to the core trust me.
MAYBE
But after he broke the 1k mark we all thought he was insane.. He bought his wife and stuff for the guild with some of it..
Wait WHAT. He bought his wife!?
Yes Officer, this man over here...
yeah you can buy alot of things including wifes. if you know where to look ofc.GM Of The Lusty Argonian ERPGM Of THe Alessia Dynasty PVP GuildGM Of The Guardians Of MiddleEarthMy Smiling Emperor Profile Picture: https://ibb.co/bsOM6n1
