PVP skill level

Valabrog

How do you think, if you are a new player - can you one day reach the same skill level as top pvp players have now, if you both play equal amount of time in future? I mean if they keep playing for the next year and you keep playing too. Are there some kind of skill ceilings where both players will meet one day? Or the new guy will still stay behind forever, no matter how much he will play?

Edit: I understand there could be additional factors, like reaction time and such, but lets imagine both are equal there and their specs equal too.

TheMystid

This is a philosophical question.

Valabrog

TheMystid wrote: »

This is a philosophical question.

Lets make it practical - I play BGs for 1 month and still getting destroyed buy same spec players (who usually have high PVP rank). How soon I will be able to stand against them as equal? I see them playing daily, like me. Gear is golden for both sides, builds are more or less common too.

White wabbit

Valabrog wrote: »

TheMystid wrote: »

This is a philosophical question.

Lets make it practical - I play BGs for 1 month and still getting destroyed buy same spec players (who usually have high PVP rank). How soon I will be able to stand against them as equal? I see them playing daily, like me. Gear is golden for both sides, builds are more or less common too.

Because they know their rotation and probably can animation cancel

Feanor

Valabrog wrote: »

TheMystid wrote: »

This is a philosophical question.

Lets make it practical - I play BGs for 1 month and still getting destroyed buy same spec players (who usually have high PVP rank). How soon I will be able to stand against them as equal? I see them playing daily, like me. Gear is golden for both sides, builds are more or less common too.

For BGs it’s more about playing well together as group than individual skill level, although being a good player helps of course. Biggest difference between premades and PuGs is voice communication and using builds that complement each other perfectly.

As for catching up I think that’s pretty quick if you’re learning fast and really want to get better. The ceiling is latency, server lag and game mechanics.

Strider__Roshin

I'm stupid good at PvP in this game, but honestly I'm usually really good at every game I play. I think there's an innate talent when it comes to playing games. You either have it or you don't. With that said, practice will certainly make you better. And the best thing you can do is play with every class, and if there's a particular class or play style you struggle against then continuously duel people that play it in order to figure out how to beat it. Be respectful, and be open to contructive criticism.

Strider__Roshin

Feanor wrote: »

Valabrog wrote: »

TheMystid wrote: »

This is a philosophical question.

Lets make it practical - I play BGs for 1 month and still getting destroyed buy same spec players (who usually have high PVP rank). How soon I will be able to stand against them as equal? I see them playing daily, like me. Gear is golden for both sides, builds are more or less common too.

For BGs it’s more about playing well together as group than individual skill level, although being a good player helps of course. Biggest difference between premades and PuGs is voice communication and using builds that complement each other perfectly.

As for catching up I think that’s pretty quick if you’re learning fast and really want to get better. The ceiling is latency, server lag and game mechanics.

This is absolutely true. Learn to play with your team, and don't chase

TheMystid

Valabrog wrote: »

TheMystid wrote: »

This is a philosophical question.

Lets make it practical - I play BGs for 1 month and still getting destroyed buy same spec players (who usually have high PVP rank). How soon I will be able to stand against them as equal? I see them playing daily, like me. Gear is golden for both sides, builds are more or less common too.

What I can tell you from personal experience not getting crushed at ESO requires:

1. T Mechanical knowledge (an. cancelling and movement/ability control), and it is something you can acquire just by practicing in few months.
2. Then the knowledge of the class you're playing, which depends on the class, but eventually you'll get there.
3. Then knowledge of other class: this is foundamental and maybe what requires more time since the best way to get it is by playing intensively, for at least 3-4 months, each class in stamina and magicka version.
4. then you need to get an overall game understanding: how abilities interact, what can be done and what not, terrain and sweet spots, efficient use of addons etc. ESO is not a casual-friendly game, so you have to 'stay tuned' here on forums and test a lot of things by yourself in game.
   As I said this is how you avoid just getting 'crushed': better players will always be there (because of more experience, commitment or instinctive knowledge), you'll keep losing to them but finally you'll have fun doing so.

Valabrog

Daus wrote: »

I'm stupid good at PvP in this game, but honestly I'm usually really good at every game I play. I think there's an innate talent when it comes to playing games. You either have it or you don't. With that said, practice will certainly make you better. And the best thing you can do is play with every class, and if there's a particular class or play style you struggle against then continuously duel people that play it in order to figure out how to beat it. Be respectful, and be open to contructive criticism.

I remember another game, more of mmo pvp game than mmorpg. I was a beta tester, by the time I got smacked so many times by other players who were experienced in such type of games, but than I have noticed I became better. Than I got so involved that I played only that game for more than a year - I have met very few players (except some other beta testers) who could beat me. I always was one step ahead of people who came to the game later than me (game launched like 3-4 months after beta). I was playing, they were playing, seems we all evolved further and further, but still the gap was real. That was more of a twitch type PVP game, aka shooter with melee elements. I hope this isnt the case with ESO and its possible to catch up with those who are ahead of me by 4 years

Cheers guys, thanks for responses.

oXI_Viper_IXo

Accept the fact that there are some people who will always be better than you. With enough practice, however, you can still become better than most people. Practice on dummies, practice dueling, play in groups and also play solo. Watch YouTube videos and learn the ins and outs of your class.

The combat mechanics in this game are very complex and only time and practice will help you learn them. Don't expect to be good right away. You will die a lot, even after a ton of practice.

Keep in mind that certain people progress at different rates. Someone who played the game for 6 months could be better than someone who has played for years depending on their skills, how much they practice, and how much effort they put into learning.

Try different builds/playstyles/classes until you find one you're comfortable with and then refine it from there. PvP is a never ending game of trial and error. Eventually you get to the point where you are killing more than you're dying.

The Uninvited

Killed a Grand Overlord the first week I played pvp. Don't focus too much on titles but on working on your rotation and defense.

technohic

I play pretty casually myself but have kept going and in and getting my ass kicked for a year or so and can see myself start getting my ass kicked in 10 seconds in stead if 2 seconds more often so I’d imagine if you go more hard core, you should be able to close the gap much better and sooner.

Thogard

I’m relatively new to PvP. I’ve been going hard about a year and a half now.

SugaComa

Valabrog wrote: »

How do you think, if you are a new player - can you one day reach the same skill level as top pvp players have now, if you both play equal amount of time in future? I mean if they keep playing for the next year and you keep playing too. Are there some kind of skill ceilings where both players will meet one day? Or the new guy will still stay behind forever, no matter how much he will play?

Edit: I understand there could be additional factors, like reaction time and such, but lets imagine both are equal there and their specs equal too.

Depends on the individual ... So impossible to answer

CyrusArya

On the point of discussion, yes you can overcome the skill gap but it’s gonna take time and dedication. Just like most skill curves, there are diminishing returns. As you reach the upper tiers of play, improvement usually happens in the margins. So you as a new player have much more room to grow. So to answer your question, yes, you too can get good.

The best ways to improve are to:

1.) Learn. This community offers a wealth of resources that you can siphon years of expertise and knowledge from. Watch videos of skilled PvPers and observe what they do and why they do it. Find them in game and ask questions. Join class discussion discords and take part. An advantage you have being new at this time as opposed to earlier on in the game’s history is that you don’t have figure it all out on your own. Channels of communication are better now than ever before.

2.) Practice. Dueling is the best way to understand and develop your combat mechanics and also the best way to learn how your class matches up against other classes. It gets a bad rep because people place too much emphasis on it as a means for evaluating skill and measuring e-peen. But when used properly, it’s the single best tool for improving as a player. Other than dueling, commit to solo play. It’s the most challenging and frustrating content in the game, but for that exact reason it will stimulate your growth like nothing else.

ZOS_Mika

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Jeezye

CyrusArya wrote: »

On the point of discussion, yes you can overcome the skill gap but it’s gonna take time and dedication. Just like most skill curves, there are diminishing returns. As you reach the upper tiers of play, improvement usually happens in the margins. So you as a new player have much more room to grow. So to answer your question, yes, you too can get good.

The best ways to improve are to:

1.) Learn. This community offers a wealth of resources that you can siphon years of expertise and knowledge from. Watch videos of skilled PvPers and observe what they do and why they do it. Find them in game and ask questions. Join class discussion discords and take part. An advantage you have being new at this time as opposed to earlier on in the game’s history is that you don’t have figure it all out on your own. Channels of communication are better now than ever before.

2.) Practice. Dueling is the best way to understand and develop your combat mechanics and also the best way to learn how your class matches up against other classes. It gets a bad rep because people place too much emphasis on it as a means for evaluating skill and measuring e-peen. But when used properly, it’s the single best tool for improving as a player. Other than dueling, commit to solo play. It’s the most challenging and frustrating content in the game, but for that exact reason it will stimulate your growth like nothing else.

Can only agree you here, whenever I finish builds on whatever class, first thing I do is whiso one of my buddies and see how I stand off against him. Duelling is the "easiest" entrance for players where they can't get overwhelmed by groups/zergs and can actually develop skill. Once you feel confident duelling each class, go ahad and jump into cyro/ bgs and try your luck against multiple opponents.

Joshlenoir

The answer is never.
I am a self improving God of destruction with no ceiling. You will never live up to my glory.

Crixus8000

New players can catch up. It's pretty easy to get gear in this game and if you play no cp that's all you need.

When I first started I almost quit a few times. I couldn't even comprehend pvp, I was terrible in every way even after watching countless videos of skilled players and getting a lot of advice. I didn't think I would ever be able to play it good enough but I was wrong.

Since you don't need anything other than gear that you can farm very easily it all depends on the players skill. If they are good at games then they will be able to compete in pvp fairly quickly, nothing other than skill holds you back in this game really, not like other mmo's I have played where your behined all the time due to things you need to farm for ages, kind of like cp but like I said there is a no cp option.

technohic

Joshlenoir wrote: »

The answer is never.
I am a self improving God of destruction with no ceiling. You will never live up to my glory.

Truth be told; run into this guy and then think on what you could have done better.