Is there any point playing stamsorc over stam dk in pvp?

daemonor

After gearing up my stam dk and having an absoloute blast in battlegrounds while being a total newbie, I've decided it give stamsorc a go aswell cause it's my favourite character to play ( or was untill this point). Decked him out 2h vma sword troll king bone pirate and heavy ravager dual wield backbar..and I have to say i was pretty dissapointed. The so called insane mobility of 2 streaks before going OOM wouldn't help half the time cause everyone is runnin gapclosers....the dark deal thingie couldn't say it was a miracle aswell, 3 swaps and you sit there oom. Compared to stam dk i lost major mending, resource return on ultimate which has been a godsend numerous times, and the most useful skill of all in this cancer bow/caster meta - reflective plate and last but not least - venomous claw, which felt way more impactful than DW bleed w/o master weapons. It might be because i have a *** for dizzying swing and insist using it as my spammable or build/skill setup wasn't proper....

Now I don't wanna give up on my stamsorc just yet, so I've been thinking trying a different build - vma 2 hand axe medium brass body troll king and prisoners rags backbar. Now I'm not sure wether to keep DW or switch to 1h/shield or maybe even bow...or if that setup won't be lacking damage for my belowed dizzying swing spam?
Or maybe there's no reason at all to try and enjoy a stamsorc when stam DK performs better in every aspect?
Share your thoughts with me on this!

ZarkingFrued

I dont have a stam DK yet, but I've run stamsorc as my first pvp character for years, and I find it lacking when compared to my mag dk, sorc, or anything really. I run different setups, (I have a graveyard of gold stam gear) I find the most fun has been spriggan weapons n jewelry, bone pirate body, and bloodspawn. 7th legion in place of spriggan isnt bad either. Lots of ulti and enough stam to keep from to much dark deal. With 2h axe for the bleed, executioner, dizzy swing, rally, gap closer and bow backbar for poison inject and some range. It's not bad, but I pretty much gotta burst like crazy and get moving fast. I can't really see making a survivable tanky build that would still retain damage tho like stam dk or stam warden has. I think it's all about the burst and split. I could be wrong though. On the upside, I get an X here n there due to nasty inject to dawn breakers and wrecking blow executioner combos.

Xsorus

two ways you can do it on stam sorc

prisoners and something like medium brass

or

Hulking/Spriggans and just mow tthrough everyone.

Both setups are better then Stam DK

daemonor

my beef with spriggans that it doesnt actually do anything to shielded targets....and there's a LOT of them

IZZEFlameLash

Stamsorcs has mobility, which is a stam spec's friend, that alone makes it better than slowDK as both lack class direct damage spammables.

Biro123

daemonor wrote: »

my beef with spriggans that it doesnt actually do anything to shielded targets....and there's a LOT of them

That's not what people say when talking about shieldbreaker lol.

sudaki_eso

My main is a StamDK my favorite toon a StamSorc and in my case its exactly the opposite, i do much better on my StamSorc then on my StamDK in BG's. On both i use DW/Bow. Dark deal, aoes of death are your best friend on a stam sorc in bgs in my opinion, bear in mind that i am mostly a pve player and i am not an experienced pvp'ler.

daemonor

i feel like stam DK can get away with heavy armor using reflective plates, but stamsorc no way...gotta be in medium to keep roll dodging cause god forbid u don't notice 2-3 ranged characters coming from behind you will see death recap faster than you can say ***

exeeter702

You have that question backwards.

Vapirko

I played Stam sorc exclusively for about a year and recently switched back to Stam dk and I know this isn’t a popular opinion but personally I think Stam DK is way better.

Ragnarock41

I think you have it backwards. I also don't understand why would you want to back bar a set like ravager which has a very low proc chance.

You haven't told what you used on your stamDK so there is no way for me to compare both and tell you why you feel this way. Maybe you really suck at dizzy swing? Maybe medium armor is not for you? Maybe you're just used to stamDk?

As far as math goes, dark deal is basically battle roar assuming you're using leap it would give you just as good resources ,but on demand, at the cost of some magicka. (It scales from max hp btw, if I'm not mistaken.) If you don't have some form of magicka regen, you're doing it wrong.

Blood craze is a better venomous claws, with a heal over time, especially better on stamsorc with great passives.(this beats claws heavily if you use master dw).

Now streak is not going to make you fast. Its just going to get you out of a bad spot. If you don't run expedition pots, then again you're doing it wrong.

Heavy armor, troll king, orc and your stamsorc will be able to survive some punishment. On medium armor you won't have the same survivability, but a stamsorc can wear heavy and still be extremely fast.

One last thing... why would you ever want to use vMA 2h? like, Its not even good? You're using ravager but you don't even have it on the bar you use your melee spammable? Why? Just get yourself a ravager 2h.

daemonor

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I think you have it backwards. I also don't understand why would you want to back bar a set like ravager which has a very low proc chance.

You haven't told what you used on your stamDK so there is no way for me to compare both and tell you why you feel this way. Maybe you really suck at dizzy swing? Maybe medium armor is not for you? Maybe you're just used to stamDk?

As far as math goes, dark deal is basically battle roar assuming you're using leap it would give you just as good resources ,but on demand, at the cost of some magicka. (It scales from max hp btw, if I'm not mistaken.) If you don't have some form of magicka regen, you're doing it wrong.

Blood craze is a better venomous claws, with a heal over time, especially better on stamsorc with great passives.(this beats claws heavily if you use master dw).

Now streak is not going to make you fast. Its just going to get you out of a bad spot. If you don't run expedition pots, then again you're doing it wrong.

Heavy armor, troll king, orc and your stamsorc will be able to survive some punishment. On medium armor you won't have the same survivability, but a stamsorc can wear heavy and still be extremely fast.

One last thing... why would you ever want to use vMA 2h? like, Its not even good? You're using ravager but you don't even have it on the bar you use your melee spammable? Why? Just get yourself a ravager 2h.

Thank you for your detailed reply.
On my stam DK i was using 5 bone pirate jewelery 2 bloodspawn 5 heavy ravar 1h+shield Backbar and asylum 2handed mace. I had some minor skill tweaks in the build and ended up using dizzying swing/ransack cause i stay on my backbar spamming puncture for ravager proc + wep enchant and the major fracture debuff then switch to 2h WB spam.

The sorc i played was in heavy armor aswell and without wings i have to say i didn't feel any survivability at all...I had a feeling i would prefer medium so i could roll dodge more freely on a sorceror.

To address the magicka regen issue, I'm thinking of running 3 prisoner rag jewelery and backbar (bow for the moment) on the sorceror. Is this a good idea?

Vma 2hander? No idea tbh I just felt it would be like an extra 2piece set and the bleed is decent (but I figured it's not even counted as a bleed?)

Well my idea of putting another build for sorceror would be 5 medium brass body 2 piece troll king and 5 prisoners rags backbar bow and since VMA 2hander sucks, maybe use the asylum maul that I have? What are your thoughts on this particular build and do you have suggestions for any other ones? (be it medium or heavy)

Cres

I would pair bone pirate with medium brass, maybe not even bother with asylum 2h. I think your damage will suffer with prisoners. I'm not a fan of prisoners, just seems too long out of combat. Sprint to regen magicka, use magicka to regen stamina(dark deal)...finally back in fight 2+ seconds later.

That's just my perception, never actually ran prisoners.

daemonor

beerz80b14_ESO wrote: »

I would pair bone pirate with medium brass, maybe not even bother with asylum 2h. I think your damage will suffer with prisoners. I'm not a fan of prisoners, just seems too long out of combat. Sprint to regen magicka, use magicka to regen stamina(dark deal)...finally back in fight 2+ seconds later.

That's just my perception, never actually ran prisoners.

Thats exactly how I imagine stamsorc play style in my head, get in get a kill or two, bolt out sprint + dark deal then get back into the fight again...tho i have the same concern that prisoners+brass wouldnt be actually enough damage to kill anyone

Ragnarock41

daemonor wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I think you have it backwards. I also don't understand why would you want to back bar a set like ravager which has a very low proc chance.

You haven't told what you used on your stamDK so there is no way for me to compare both and tell you why you feel this way. Maybe you really suck at dizzy swing? Maybe medium armor is not for you? Maybe you're just used to stamDk?

As far as math goes, dark deal is basically battle roar assuming you're using leap it would give you just as good resources ,but on demand, at the cost of some magicka. (It scales from max hp btw, if I'm not mistaken.) If you don't have some form of magicka regen, you're doing it wrong.

Blood craze is a better venomous claws, with a heal over time, especially better on stamsorc with great passives.(this beats claws heavily if you use master dw).

Now streak is not going to make you fast. Its just going to get you out of a bad spot. If you don't run expedition pots, then again you're doing it wrong.

Heavy armor, troll king, orc and your stamsorc will be able to survive some punishment. On medium armor you won't have the same survivability, but a stamsorc can wear heavy and still be extremely fast.

One last thing... why would you ever want to use vMA 2h? like, Its not even good? You're using ravager but you don't even have it on the bar you use your melee spammable? Why? Just get yourself a ravager 2h.

Thank you for your detailed reply.
On my stam DK i was using 5 bone pirate jewelery 2 bloodspawn 5 heavy ravar 1h+shield Backbar and asylum 2handed mace. I had some minor skill tweaks in the build and ended up using dizzying swing/ransack cause i stay on my backbar spamming puncture for ravager proc + wep enchant and the major fracture debuff then switch to 2h WB spam.

The sorc i played was in heavy armor aswell and without wings i have to say i didn't feel any survivability at all...I had a feeling i would prefer medium so i could roll dodge more freely on a sorceror.

To address the magicka regen issue, I'm thinking of running 3 prisoner rag jewelery and backbar (bow for the moment) on the sorceror. Is this a good idea?

Vma 2hander? No idea tbh I just felt it would be like an extra 2piece set and the bleed is decent (but I figured it's not even counted as a bleed?)

Well my idea of putting another build for sorceror would be 5 medium brass body 2 piece troll king and 5 prisoners rags backbar bow and since VMA 2hander sucks, maybe use the asylum maul that I have? What are your thoughts on this particular build and do you have suggestions for any other ones? (be it medium or heavy)

Basically, have troll king, have a set with lots of stamina, like Bone pirate/Draugr hulk/shacklebreaker , have brass if you want tankyness on medium. Or have something like clever alchemist-ravager etc for damage. Use bound armaments for extra max stam and %20 stam/hp regen passives. get minor expedition from hurricane and major exp. from potions. Use speed pots for heal over time and stam immovability if you want more stam sustain. I suggest the speed potions cause the heal over time is strong. If you use these potions you should be sprinting so fast that people can't even hit you with gapclosers.

use 2h/SnB or 2h/dual wield. Don't use bow, Its trash. Have nirn on your front bar, infused on back bar with weapon damage enchant.

Use overload on your back bar, use it to put abilities you want to use situationally, like maybe a caltrops or rearming trap, to slow down chasers. Use dark deal whenever you have a window for it, and don't forget you can not be interrupted if you have already CC immunity.

Don't be the first one to go in combat, Its not a good idea. vigor your teammates to proc troll king on them if they are low hp, use clever alchemist instead of ravager if you want controlled bursts(and make sure your 2h weapon is nirn for extra damage).

use a maul for the best overall damage, axe if you want bleed, and sword for best damage to squishies.

daemonor

So would you suggest robust + wep damage rings jewelery?, double damage health poison 2hander and wep damage enchant backbar?

Ragnarock41

daemonor wrote: »

So would you suggest robust + wep damage rings jewelery?, double damage health poison 2hander and wep damage enchant backbar?

I suggest robust or triune and all weapon damage on your jewelry.(also go for tri-stat on your chest-leg-head armor), if your stam regen is too low( I would say in battlegrounds something around 1300 is lowest you will want on heavy armor)
you can run serpent instead of warrior to balance this out.

Double dot poisons should be on your 2h bar, and infused back bar weapon with weapon damage glyph.

ak_pvp

Yes, hurricane>>Spikes+noxious, better healing, an in class autoexecute, better mobility, similar sustain.

Streak on stam is pretty outdated nowadays since GCs, swift, the self root etc make it redundant, why spend high mag on an ability that ends up slowing you?

Heavy, 2h+master DW, troll kind, sloads/prisoners/fury/yokeda any two. High pressure, pretty solid defense and healing, use dark deal as burst, surge and vigor for heals. Sloads is getting a nerf so not sure on that end, probably fury best bet. Try getting crit up a bit too.

daemonor

Fury seems redundant in bgs because you dont have time to endlessly roll/heal/block to get 20 stacks up like in CP scenario. And really not a fan of heavy on sorc cause theres no way to defend against ranged so I'd rather be dodge rolling in medium armor.

You say bow is trash but backbar is gonna be only 1 weapon skill anyway, so its poison injection vs rending slashes vs puncture or reverb bash? DW has a nice heavy attack but the injection on low hp is very nice aswell. Guess ill have to try all 3 out and see which one i like the most.

Aznox

I agree with what @Ragnarock41 said overall

My personal variant :

Troll King / Shacklebreaker / Automaton(/Red Mountain/whatever)
Armor : 5Heavy / Tri-stat / Impen
Jewelry : Triune / Weapon Damage
Food : Arteum
Pots : Speed + Lingering / Lingering + Health + Invis / Health + Stam + Crit

Health Regen + Crit surge + Lingering + Dark deal -> amounts to so much healing i don't even slot vigor

Combine SnB/DW/2H however you want.

daemonor

Probably gonna give 2 troll 5 pirate 5 brass 5 medium 1 1 a go with 2h /whatever and see how i like it and modify from there if anyone have some more insight please do share!

Sky_WK

Just popping in to say Brass is a *** set with *** 2-4 piece bonuses, and run impregnable instead, aiming for 4200-4500 crit resist. Anyone who argues needs to go read this post (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1)before responding with their uninformed opinion. GL!

Mister_DMC

Sky_WK wrote: »

Just popping in to say Brass is a *** set with *** 2-4 piece bonuses, and run impregnable instead, aiming for 4200-4500 crit resist. Anyone who argues needs to go read this post (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1)before responding with their uninformed opinion. GL!

Brass is good, especially in no cp BG's. And yes I've read that multiple times.