Least alt-friendly MMO ever?

crjs1

It by no means the least alt-friendly but it could definitely be improved. Top of my QoL improvements would be, shared mount training: skyshards and lord books marked on map for all alts when discovered: shared wayshines

SakuraRush

Now if ZoS wanted to make the game more user friendly period they would open the API and allow the community to make things that other games have. Imagine Ishtar (app for Destiny) but for ESO. Inventory and bank management from your phone. Equipment and skill load outs you could change from your phone.

These are things that exist in that game on console because the community had access to things.

I have 14 characters and countless deleted maxed ones. I didn't enjoy the mages guild grind each time or skysharding. But if they were shared across the board my characters wouldn't feel unique in that way.

I dunno. People now seem to want everything easy. They want games that are stripped away to just numbers with the goal being only to find bigger numbers. This is going to turn into a different rant so I'll stop.

Just keep in mind that the more things shared across characters the further you get from Diablo 2 and the closer you get to Diablo 3.

Valkysas154

Least alt-friendly probably not, But it is the Least alt-friendly i have ever played since playing mmorpgs since 1999.

idk

OP is complaining that this game is not friendly for leveling alts and has chosen something very secondary as his/her reasoning.

Leveling an alt is very easy. If max level mount on day one is so important to you then buy horse training in the crown store.

SakuraRush

idk wrote: »

OP is complaining that this game is not friendly for leveling alts and has chosen something very secondary as his/her reasoning.

Leveling an alt is very easy. If max level mount on day one is so important to you then buy horse training in the crown store.

Or make the character a month in advance and horse them every day.

rfennell_ESO

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

starkerealm

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

rfennell_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Yeah I didn't include those things because they aren't exactly a lot of work to get.

My latest creation doesn't have all skyshards, remotely a bulk of skill points and/or recipes and it's not an issue.

yurimodin

For horse training I just make a new too and sit him next to the stable and train speed for about 10 days before actually playing that character. Then it's bearable.

Danikat

lordrichter wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Lots of people play ESO from either perspective, and I think that ZOS have made a good job of balancing the different approaches so that some things like champion points and collections are account-wide, and other things like achievements are character-specific. I hope the balance isn't changed, but if it is then as ESO is a MMORPG I'd much prefer things to move more towards character-specific requirements - champion points not being allocated until a character reaches level 50 would be a good starting point.

One of my suggestions was to not let CPs be allocated until Level 50. I have played both ways, and I can say that the game is much easier when my new Level 3 has 750 CP. Too easy.

This is something players can control however, and I quite like having the choice.

On my main character I've only assigned 10 points, and then only so I could unlock the Fortune Seeker perk on the Shadow constellation. And this is exactly why - I've heard so many people complain about how the game is too easy with CP, and I felt like when I got to level 50 the difficulty was about right, so I decided to keep it that way.

But on my crafter I have all my CP assigned (all 36 of them lol) because I didn't want to waste time getting more skill points than I needed so he has the bare minimum of combat skills (just enough to have some skills on his bar and maybe 2 or 3 passives) and the CP helps to balance it out.

starkerealm

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Yeah I didn't include those things because they aren't exactly a lot of work to get.

My latest creation doesn't have all skyshards, remotely a bulk of skill points and/or recipes and it's not an issue.

Getting all 423 skyshards is kinda miserable.

ghastley

Mounts and research are the only things you have timers on. There are a bunch of quests that can only be done daily, but there are so many different varieties of those, it's not an issue. It just forces variety in your activities.

You can gather as many skyshards as you can locate, and many are above-ground, and don't require you to run a delve first. Yes, a starting alt will have a slow mount, and take longer to get from one the next, but that's a world of difference from "not until the next day". You do have to exercise the skills before putting in the skill points, too, so levelling does take some time, but I'd assume you're building an alt to do something different, and you need time to test out the new skills you're learning.

All your characters can use the same training dummy, and it doesn't even have to be yours. A guild member can provide it, just like you'll learn your nirnhoned traits with another player's help. That's a lot of opportunity for alt-unfriendly wasted.

Kelces

Completely the opposite, you can use every piece of gear you get on all of your other characters (provided they are the same level). I never experienced that with another game, that alone provides much more fun and excitement looking forward to using some gear with a certain other character you are rerolling.

So totally not Alt-unfriendly...

idk

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Skill points are easy when one levels up doing the main quests that grant skill points. If one chooses to grind, that is a choice, does not mean skill points are an issue.

Recipes are also easy. They are so cheap at vendors. I have food stocked for days

Motifs are only needed on ones armor/weapon crafter. If someone chooses to have all motifs on multiple characters, again a choice.

So these are not unfriendly to alts.

Kiralyn2000

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

I understand that one can have a crafting character. It just seems so much less streamlined than certain other MMOs.

Which MMOs give you all that across your characters?

Honestly, ESO with the automatically-shared bank & the shared CP, ranks up there with the friendliest MMOs I've played. (in many other ones I've done, you have to buy 'shared bank' as a luxury feature. Of course, that means you can mule more since each char has it's own bank)

...meanwhile, on the other end of the scale is Secret World Legends. Damn near nothing is shared, there's no shared bank, and upgrading gear goes via the "mobile f2p cardgame" method of sacrificing crappy gear to add XP to your chosen piece.
(which means that, yes - even at max level, the vast majority of loot that you get is level 1 green items, to sacrifice. There's no finding a great high-level drop. So every character and every piece of gear for them has a semi-infinite grind to upgrade. Alts? Yeah, right. edit: oh, yeah - and even cash shop costumes are single-character purchases.)

mr_wazzabi

It's one of the more alt friendly games because of shared champion points and bank space. Also they got rid of vet ranks, so no more vet grinding. All you need is to grind to level 50 and your alt is max

griffkhalifa

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Ok, some good points for sure. I guess I'm just mad that I'd have wait *half a year* if I want a fully trained mount on a new character. And forget trying to learn any crafts if I want to main a Warden healer instead of a Templar.

This is my main gripe as a mostly PvP'er. Mount speed/stamina is crucial in Cyrodiil and would take 4 months to level up fully. It's painful riding keep to keep on 10 speed/stamina, even with rapids. But it's part of how they earn money and it keeps the game alive I suppose.

Guppet

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Yeah I didn't include those things because they aren't exactly a lot of work to get.

My latest creation doesn't have all skyshards, remotely a bulk of skill points and/or recipes and it's not an issue.

Getting all 423 skyshards is kinda miserable.

No alt needs that.

Hurbster

We could always go back to training individual horses.

Elsonso

Guppet wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Yeah I didn't include those things because they aren't exactly a lot of work to get.

My latest creation doesn't have all skyshards, remotely a bulk of skill points and/or recipes and it's not an issue.

Getting all 423 skyshards is kinda miserable.

No alt needs that.

We don't have to collect every Skyshard in the game. I think maybe one of my 20+ characters has actually done this. The rest just pick them up when in the area.

starkerealm

idk wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Skill points are easy when one levels up doing the main quests that grant skill points. If one chooses to grind, that is a choice, does not mean skill points are an issue.

The counterpoint is if you're an experienced player and chasing a specific chunk of content while leveling characters, it's not grinding, but also can leave you somewhat deficient in skill points.

Case in point, I've got characters that leveled up doing daily random normals or battlegrounds. In both cases, hunting skill points means that I stop doing what I'm enjoying to hunt up skill points. Ironically, at that point, the relationship is flipped, and I'm being asked to stop doing what I'm enjoying and grind for skill points, rather than grinding and finding myself starved for them.

idk wrote: »

Recipes are also easy. They are so cheap at vendors. I have food stocked for days

Clearly we have different priorities for, "cheap." Dubious Camoran Throne will set you back about 50k (on PCNA.) Granted, that's a huge improvement over eight months ago, when it was 500k easy. Now, I can log out, switch to my provisioner, make the stuff, log back out, log back in on the character I was using, and go back to what I was doing. It's not a major issue, but it is a minor annoyance.

idk wrote: »

Motifs are only needed on ones armor/weapon crafter. If someone chooses to have all motifs on multiple characters, again a choice.

Again, this is almost exactly the same situation as above. I can log out, switch to my crafter, make whatever, and switch back. But, the act of switching to my crafter isn't a particularly compelling experience

idk wrote: »

So these are not unfriendly to alts.

Again, this was in response to the statement that the only alt unfriendly things were research and mount training. That's not entirely true, in particular the crafting knowledge systems could do with some QoL attention. That's not to say the game itself is alt-unfriendly, just that these systems are mildly irritating in the moment.

rfennell_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Yeah I didn't include those things because they aren't exactly a lot of work to get.

My latest creation doesn't have all skyshards, remotely a bulk of skill points and/or recipes and it's not an issue.

Getting all 423 skyshards is kinda miserable.

It is, but on an alt that isn't a crafter (or just focuses on 1) it's also not needed.

Realistically, you can just grab skill points when you need them on an alt. Getting low? Go do thieves guild. Getting low again? Go to wrothgar. etc.

starkerealm

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Yeah I didn't include those things because they aren't exactly a lot of work to get.

My latest creation doesn't have all skyshards, remotely a bulk of skill points and/or recipes and it's not an issue.

Getting all 423 skyshards is kinda miserable.

It is, but on an alt that isn't a crafter (or just focuses on 1) it's also not needed.

Realistically, you can just grab skill points when you need them on an alt. Getting low? Go do thieves guild. Getting low again? Go to wrothgar. etc.

Because of furnishing, it's kinda unwise to split your crafting up across multiple characters.

Also, unless it's been changed recently, the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood are the epitome of grind. You need to do the same repeatable quests multiple times before you can run the story advancement quests for individual skill points, even then they both cap at 6 skill points, (with two skill points from shards in their zones), in contrast to Clockwork which has 8, + 2 skyshard points, without any mandatory grinding.

For your time committed, public dungeon group events, and skyshard hunting are more valid sources of skill points.

Vrany69

Yeah, Getting same Archivos for every chat is really shameful AND discouraging

Guppet

lordrichter wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

sixstoriesunder_ESO wrote: »

Is it just me, or is everyone discouraged from making alts in this game? I feel like an *extremely* simple solution would be to get all characters to share mount training and trait research, including the cooldowns. Is there some reason this hasn't been done?

The only things that aren't alt friendly are mount training and achievements.

Everything else is the most alt friendly combination I've ever seen in a mmo.

Skyshards, skill points, motifs, and recipes (food and furniture) also come to mind, but I mean, you're not wrong.

Yeah I didn't include those things because they aren't exactly a lot of work to get.

My latest creation doesn't have all skyshards, remotely a bulk of skill points and/or recipes and it's not an issue.

Getting all 423 skyshards is kinda miserable.

No alt needs that.

We don't have to collect every Skyshard in the game. I think maybe one of my 20+ characters has actually done this. The rest just pick them up when in the area.

Exactly, my main has well over 300 skill points an alt only need about 120-150 to be fully functional.

Thunderknuckles

Don't know about the most alt unfriendly, but it ain't friendly, regardless. lol It's extremely expensive and extremely time consuming to gear up alts with BiS. Also grinding to open up certain ultimates (Fighters/Mages Guilds for example) is extremely time consuming. If you want to "gold out" a bunch of alts, be prepared to shell out millions of gold or farm your butt off for the matts.

Cpt_Teemo

I would say Vanilla Swtor was the least friendly alt mmo of all time lol

BigBadVolk

kinda yes kinda no, you dont have to hurry with things for example my second char only got to max level when I got to mount ride 60 and 15 stam and till then I maxed out things on my main