Faction Locking Campaigns need to come back.

TheInvalidUsername

Just as a heads up, I don't pvp in Cyrodiil. I prefer BGs.

But when the Alkosh campaign reset, me and a few other people were ready to make the push to Emperor so we could get the achievement, costume, and dye.

We had almost gotten the emp (with WAY to many special letters in his name) dethroned, but he managed to push us back. It was getting very late for us. The contenders for emp on AD had all decided to call it for the night, since we had a 400-500k ap lead on everyone else. When we got up today, we weren't in first, and AD had an Emperor. The EP guild boosted someone to the top of the AD leaderboards by attacking a resource and letting him kill them for the defense tick. This is the only possible explanation for how he got 2 million AP in 4 hours (Between the time I went to bed and the time he was crowned only totaled 4, and he wasn't on the board when I logged off). They also did the same to DC, as there is now a 1.4m ap gap between the 1st (2.1m ap) and 2nd (700k ap) place on the leaderboards. I know its the same group since the #2 spot in EP has the top of AD and the #4 spot has the top of DC.

I know that guilds with leadership like that always find a way to make themselves come out on top, but this is awful and its ruined what I felt like could have been a good time. Faction Locking would have prevented this and allowed us get Emperor.

If they had stopped us from getting Emperor by staying on EP characters and winning the fights, I would have moved on and tried again later. But this was low.

TequilaFire

I feel your pain, but you can't go to bed during an emp push.

TheInvalidUsername

It was like 3am, and if I put any more caffeine in my body to stay awake I probably would have died.

geonsocal

what if those AD and DC players whom benefited from their EP guilds boosting them had never played an EP character on that particular map...

unless there was a account faction lock mechanism in place - how would campaign faction locking have prevented that result?

TheInvalidUsername

Simple, just re-add the faction lock that was in place at launch.

It used to be that if you had an EP character in one campaign, you could only play EP characters in that campaign unless you abandoned it on all of the ones who had it homed. I don't remember when it was removed, but I think it was around the same time as the scroll/emp buff change so it didn't affect pve.

If they still want to let cross faction players into the campaigns, allow them to only Guest the campaign so their leaderboard points don't matter.

Aliyavana

They should make faction locked campaigns as new campaigns so the old ones are there for players who want to play cross factions with their friends. I don't like the scroll troll and spys that occur due to no faction locks

DanteYoda

Don't play PvP, stop wasting your time on this buggy mess.. They wont fix anything while customers still use it daily.. If people would boycott it en mass changes would happen over night..


Did in Guildwars 2 when many pvp guilds just up and quit.

swippy

DanteYoda wrote: »

Don't play PvP, stop wasting your time on this buggy mess.. They wont fix anything while customers still use it daily.. If people would boycott it en mass changes would happen over night..


Did in Guildwars 2 when many pvp guilds just up and quit.

haha that's like saying stop using menus until they perfect the interface

Bhaal5

Only problem with this is that gw2 it worked as there were 24 active servers when the did the boycott and a health competition.

Eso has 1 active server (dont kid yourself that anything other than vivec is active, one sided war is not a war). Zeni were to lock it the way they use two, would broke the one tamerial dream and lock most people charaters out of pvp.

They wont fix it, sorry to be the negative nancy here. How many year has it being stale like this? Since launch?

Girl_Number8

Bgs player that wants the cosmetics in cyro PvP smh~ So now he is salty~

If you really played PvP in the main campaigns, you would be begging for a new server or in Zos's case another bike rider to keep them functioning~

geonsocal

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Eso has 1 active server (dont kid yourself that anything other than vivec is active, one sided war is not a war). Zeni were to lock it the way they use two, would broke the one tamerial dream and lock most people characters out of pvp.

ah, I remember the good old days of being gated almost 24/7...

a lot of times the enemy would be waiting on the other side of the wall at the starter areas at either elsewyr gate...

it could get a little discouraging at times not having any spots on the map to even go fight at...

at the time I had a DC in blackwater blade, an EP on whatever the main map was at the time, and, my AD magsorc stuck in gated hell...

actually, it was a pretty decent welcome to cyrodiil/trial by fire scenario...

Azuramoonstar

TheInvalidUsername wrote: »

Just as a heads up, I don't pvp in Cyrodiil. I prefer BGs.

But when the Alkosh campaign reset, me and a few other people were ready to make the push to Emperor so we could get the achievement, costume, and dye.

We had almost gotten the emp (with WAY to many special letters in his name) dethroned, but he managed to push us back. It was getting very late for us. The contenders for emp on AD had all decided to call it for the night, since we had a 400-500k ap lead on everyone else. When we got up today, we weren't in first, and AD had an Emperor. The EP guild boosted someone to the top of the AD leaderboards by attacking a resource and letting him kill them for the defense tick. This is the only possible explanation for how he got 2 million AP in 4 hours (Between the time I went to bed and the time he was crowned only totaled 4, and he wasn't on the board when I logged off). They also did the same to DC, as there is now a 1.4m ap gap between the 1st (2.1m ap) and 2nd (700k ap) place on the leaderboards. I know its the same group since the #2 spot in EP has the top of AD and the #4 spot has the top of DC.

I know that guilds with leadership like that always find a way to make themselves come out on top, but this is awful and its ruined what I felt like could have been a good time. Faction Locking would have prevented this and allowed us get Emperor.

If they had stopped us from getting Emperor by staying on EP characters and winning the fights, I would have moved on and tried again later. But this was low.

well first off if you don't really pvp in cyrodill how can ypu assume much of what happen?

also in MMO a lot can happen in 4 hours. To me it sounds like you are assuming, and just bitter you didn't win.

Mystrius_Archaion

TheInvalidUsername wrote: »

It was like 3am, and if I put any more caffeine in my body to stay awake I probably would have died.

This is why the emperor rewards need to be elsewhere. They encourage and practically require unhealthy gaming habits and encourage exploiting/cheating to avoid those unhealthy habits or combined with those habits.

Though, faction locking would not prevent this at all since they could still communicate outside of pvp, may even be in the same guild, so they can still be an exclusive AD player with most others EP in the guild and have then boost them to emperor with a simple whisper from any PVE zone to the pvp group saying "can you guys help me get Emp?" for whatever reason.

Welcome to poorly designed pvp and poorly placed reward systems and very poorly placed cosmetic rewards that even pve players want but NEED to exploit something to get.

Kikke

Agreed.

generalmyrick

TheInvalidUsername wrote: »

Just as a heads up, I don't pvp in Cyrodiil. I prefer BGs.

But when the Alkosh campaign reset, me and a few other people were ready to make the push to Emperor so we could get the achievement, costume, and dye.

We had almost gotten the emp (with WAY to many special letters in his name) dethroned, but he managed to push us back. It was getting very late for us. The contenders for emp on AD had all decided to call it for the night, since we had a 400-500k ap lead on everyone else. When we got up today, we weren't in first, and AD had an Emperor. The EP guild boosted someone to the top of the AD leaderboards by attacking a resource and letting him kill them for the defense tick. This is the only possible explanation for how he got 2 million AP in 4 hours (Between the time I went to bed and the time he was crowned only totaled 4, and he wasn't on the board when I logged off). They also did the same to DC, as there is now a 1.4m ap gap between the 1st (2.1m ap) and 2nd (700k ap) place on the leaderboards. I know its the same group since the #2 spot in EP has the top of AD and the #4 spot has the top of DC.

I know that guilds with leadership like that always find a way to make themselves come out on top, but this is awful and its ruined what I felt like could have been a good time. Faction Locking would have prevented this and allowed us get Emperor.

If they had stopped us from getting Emperor by staying on EP characters and winning the fights, I would have moved on and tried again later. But this was low.

fewer people dominating more leader-board spots...interesting!

zos = please faction lock us! :-)

Katahdin

Hate to tell you all this but faction locking wont prevent any of this.

Many people have multiple accounts. They can just log to their other account with the other faction homed in that campaign and do the same thing. It happened when we had faction locking before and it will happen if you implement faction locking again.

You got out played. You went to bed and someone with more endurance passed you. Thats what happens.
I did the same thing when I got my emp. I played for over 24 hours straight when I got my Emp. After reset, the person in the lead went to bed then to work, hoping to come home and find they had been made emp. I was off work and kept playing then passed them when they were offline.

But you need more than the lead on the AP list.

You also need a group/guild and the other players in the faction willing to call the calvery in and cooperate to do the work of helping to cap the ring keeps for you.

Troneon

Faction locks per account including all characters.

30 day timer on reset.

Exploiters would still find a way ....

laksikus

@TheInvalidUsername there never were faction locked campaigns. So how would you bring them back?

TheInvalidUsername

laksikus wrote: »

@TheInvalidUsername there never were faction locked campaigns. So how would you bring them back?

Faction locked campaigns were a thing at launch.

Originally, you couldn't have multiple characters of different alliances in the same campaign.

For instance, if I had an AD lowbie in Blackwater Blade, in order for me to enter BWB with another lowbie of a different faction, I would have to drop all my AD characters from the campaign.

Its been so long I actually don't remember if you could guest in locked campaigns or not.

But faction locks were definitely a thing.

xxthir13enxx

A wiseman once said nothing lest he gives wordy evidence that he is a fool.

Joy_Division

TheInvalidUsername wrote: »

Just as a heads up, I don't pvp in Cyrodiil. I prefer BGs.

But when the Alkosh campaign reset, me and a few other people were ready to make the push to Emperor so we could get the achievement, costume, and dye.

We had almost gotten the emp (with WAY to many special letters in his name) dethroned, but he managed to push us back. It was getting very late for us. The contenders for emp on AD had all decided to call it for the night, since we had a 400-500k ap lead on everyone else. When we got up today, we weren't in first, and AD had an Emperor. The EP guild boosted someone to the top of the AD leaderboards by attacking a resource and letting him kill them for the defense tick. This is the only possible explanation for how he got 2 million AP in 4 hours (Between the time I went to bed and the time he was crowned only totaled 4, and he wasn't on the board when I logged off). They also did the same to DC, as there is now a 1.4m ap gap between the 1st (2.1m ap) and 2nd (700k ap) place on the leaderboards. I know its the same group since the #2 spot in EP has the top of AD and the #4 spot has the top of DC.

I know that guilds with leadership like that always find a way to make themselves come out on top, but this is awful and its ruined what I felt like could have been a good time. Faction Locking would have prevented this and allowed us get Emperor.

If they had stopped us from getting Emperor by staying on EP characters and winning the fights, I would have moved on and tried again later. But this was low.

OK, you don't PvP in Cyrodiil, but have no problem petitioning for changes for a part of the game you don't partake it because you couldn't get an achievement. How thoughtful.

How do you know "the only possible way" to get that much AP if you don't PvP in cyrodiil? You don't have the experience and are just throwing out accusations without proof, which is a terrible thing to do. You didn't get emperor because you and your team weren't good enough to dethrone the existing emperor. Rather than take responsibility or evaluate how you could have done things differently, you accuse others of cheating and blaming the system in place. You go to sleep, other people going for emperor will pass you and leave you in the dust. You just figured this out because you don't PvP in cyrodiil. If you had or bothered to ask anyone on any competitive campaign, you'd know this.

The very first month ESO launched, ZOS had to deal with emperor trading shenanigans that were rampant on one server. This is when the precious faction locks you want were in place and 99% of the community was single faction and only had one high level character. That's because this behavior is caused by people, not by game-system you feel are inadequate. Put your faction locks in place. That does nothing to stop me from logging onto my locked DC and intentionally dying in a resource to a locked EP friend trying to farm AP. Nothing. In fact, it might encourage such nefarious behavior because if someone is locked on their DC and can't actually be in an EP friend's group who is gong for emperor (i.e. play legitimately), then you're forcing them to be on DC where they can spy, sabotage, or intentionally do the very behavior you are accusing others of doing.

They did stop you from gaining Emperor. You failed to dethrone them and then you went to bed.

Hurtfan

We need at least 1 faction locked campaign. There's definitely a demand for it out there.

Leave the others open so people can faction hop to be on the winning side PvP with their friends.

Sandman929

Hurtfan wrote: »

We need at least 1 faction locked campaign. There's definitely a demand for it out there.

Leave the others open so people can faction hop to be on the winning side PvP with their friends.

It would be nice to see just how much demand there is.

Hurtfan

Sandman929 wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

We need at least 1 faction locked campaign. There's definitely a demand for it out there.

Leave the others open so people can faction hop to be on the winning side PvP with their friends.

It would be nice to see just how much demand there is.

In the campaign section of the forums there's a thread about it. Yes some people like to play the game as it was meant to be played, and may the best alliance win. Shocking I know.

AlnilamE

TheInvalidUsername wrote: »

Simple, just re-add the faction lock that was in place at launch.

It used to be that if you had an EP character in one campaign, you could only play EP characters in that campaign unless you abandoned it on all of the ones who had it homed. I don't remember when it was removed, but I think it was around the same time as the scroll/emp buff change so it didn't affect pve.

If they still want to let cross faction players into the campaigns, allow them to only Guest the campaign so their leaderboard points don't matter.

At launch we had like 10 campaigns, so it wasn't an issue. You could always find a campaign that all your friends could enter with the same alliance.

Mintaka5

Yes and get rid of the Cliffs and Norms that camp top 10. (looks at xylena!) Move the **** on!

iLagxLucid

What are those??

Malacthulhu

TheInvalidUsername wrote: »

It was like 3am, and if I put any more caffeine in my body to stay awake I probably would have died.

I have found you do not actually die from this, everything just stands still.

Aliyavana

Joy_Division wrote: »

TheInvalidUsername wrote: »

Just as a heads up, I don't pvp in Cyrodiil. I prefer BGs.

But when the Alkosh campaign reset, me and a few other people were ready to make the push to Emperor so we could get the achievement, costume, and dye.

We had almost gotten the emp (with WAY to many special letters in his name) dethroned, but he managed to push us back. It was getting very late for us. The contenders for emp on AD had all decided to call it for the night, since we had a 400-500k ap lead on everyone else. When we got up today, we weren't in first, and AD had an Emperor. The EP guild boosted someone to the top of the AD leaderboards by attacking a resource and letting him kill them for the defense tick. This is the only possible explanation for how he got 2 million AP in 4 hours (Between the time I went to bed and the time he was crowned only totaled 4, and he wasn't on the board when I logged off). They also did the same to DC, as there is now a 1.4m ap gap between the 1st (2.1m ap) and 2nd (700k ap) place on the leaderboards. I know its the same group since the #2 spot in EP has the top of AD and the #4 spot has the top of DC.

I know that guilds with leadership like that always find a way to make themselves come out on top, but this is awful and its ruined what I felt like could have been a good time. Faction Locking would have prevented this and allowed us get Emperor.

If they had stopped us from getting Emperor by staying on EP characters and winning the fights, I would have moved on and tried again later. But this was low.

OK, you don't PvP in Cyrodiil, but have no problem petitioning for changes for a part of the game you don't partake it because you couldn't get an achievement. How thoughtful.

How do you know "the only possible way" to get that much AP if you don't PvP in cyrodiil? You don't have the experience and are just throwing out accusations without proof, which is a terrible thing to do. You didn't get emperor because you and your team weren't good enough to dethrone the existing emperor. Rather than take responsibility or evaluate how you could have done things differently, you accuse others of cheating and blaming the system in place. You go to sleep, other people going for emperor will pass you and leave you in the dust. You just figured this out because you don't PvP in cyrodiil. If you had or bothered to ask anyone on any competitive campaign, you'd know this.

The very first month ESO launched, ZOS had to deal with emperor trading shenanigans that were rampant on one server. This is when the precious faction locks you want were in place and 99% of the community was single faction and only had one high level character. That's because this behavior is caused by people, not by game-system you feel are inadequate. Put your faction locks in place. That does nothing to stop me from logging onto my locked DC and intentionally dying in a resource to a locked EP friend trying to farm AP. Nothing. In fact, it might encourage such nefarious behavior because if someone is locked on their DC and can't actually be in an EP friend's group who is gong for emperor (i.e. play legitimately), then you're forcing them to be on DC where they can spy, sabotage, or intentionally do the very behavior you are accusing others of doing.

They did stop you from gaining Emperor. You failed to dethrone them and then you went to bed.

because there wasn't a threat of being banned

Beardimus

TheInvalidUsername wrote: »

Just as a heads up, I don't pvp in Cyrodiil. I prefer BGs.

But when the Alkosh campaign reset, me and a few other people were ready to make the push to Emperor so we could get the achievement, costume, and dye.

We had almost gotten the emp (with WAY to many special letters in his name) dethroned, but he managed to push us back. It was getting very late for us. The contenders for emp on AD had all decided to call it for the night, since we had a 400-500k ap lead on everyone else. When we got up today, we weren't in first, and AD had an Emperor. The EP guild boosted someone to the top of the AD leaderboards by attacking a resource and letting him kill them for the defense tick. This is the only possible explanation for how he got 2 million AP in 4 hours (Between the time I went to bed and the time he was crowned only totaled 4, and he wasn't on the board when I logged off). They also did the same to DC, as there is now a 1.4m ap gap between the 1st (2.1m ap) and 2nd (700k ap) place on the leaderboards. I know its the same group since the #2 spot in EP has the top of AD and the #4 spot has the top of DC.

I know that guilds with leadership like that always find a way to make themselves come out on top, but this is awful and its ruined what I felt like could have been a good time. Faction Locking would have prevented this and allowed us get Emperor.

If they had stopped us from getting Emperor by staying on EP characters and winning the fights, I would have moved on and tried again later. But this was low.

Stuff like this needs to stop. It ruins Cyrodiil for new and seasoned PvPers alike. I'm all for faction lock.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler said he was gunna do something about it. No deets yet but it's under review.

crazy_catman21

No