G1Countdown wrote: »I'm probably the only one who is disappointed by putting in these free crates into the daily log in rewards. I would much rather they give us costumes, pets or mounts instead of a loot gamble crate that may or may not contain anything useful.
Don't get me wrong, I'll loot the crates. But, I would have rather had a guarantee to get something interesting rather than putting common consumables in a pretty box and telling us, "You might get something useful, you never know!".
DocFrost72 wrote: »griffkhalifa wrote: »
Thats like saying crack is not crack when its free...Zos is trying to get more people hooked with these free crates. Why else give away what is already a profitable product? To be nice?
Er, no not really. You can't gamble if you put nothing at stake. This equivalency is shabby. Also I don't get the pure vitriol behind the crates: does the very idea of them actually offend you as a concept?
...It's the "free hit" to get people into gambling...
DocFrost72 wrote: »griffkhalifa wrote: »
Thats like saying crack is not crack when its free...Zos is trying to get more people hooked with these free crates. Why else give away what is already a profitable product? To be nice?
Er, no not really. You can't gamble if you put nothing at stake. This equivalency is shabby. Also I don't get the pure vitriol behind the crates: does the very idea of them actually offend you as a concept?
DocFrost72 wrote: »griffkhalifa wrote: »
Thats like saying crack is not crack when its free...Zos is trying to get more people hooked with these free crates. Why else give away what is already a profitable product? To be nice?
Er, no not really. You can't gamble if you put nothing at stake. This equivalency is shabby. Also I don't get the pure vitriol behind the crates: does the very idea of them actually offend you as a concept?
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DocFrost72 wrote: »weedgenius wrote: »Here's a refresher on what you might be able to get this month: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dwarven_Crate
Enjoy an insightful.
Now the tough questions: Nord and Breton hero armor with gems, or ash hopper I can place at home to trigger the wifey?
Decisions, decisions.
G1Countdown wrote: »I'm probably the only one who is disappointed by putting in these free crates into the daily log in rewards. I would much rather they give us costumes, pets or mounts instead of a loot gamble crate that may or may not contain anything useful.
Don't get me wrong, I'll loot the crates. But, I would have rather had a guarantee to get something interesting rather than putting common consumables in a pretty box and telling us, "You might get something useful, you never know!".
DocFrost72 wrote: »griffkhalifa wrote: »
Thats like saying crack is not crack when its free...Zos is trying to get more people hooked with these free crates. Why else give away what is already a profitable product? To be nice?
Er, no not really. You can't gamble if you put nothing at stake. This equivalency is shabby. Also I don't get the pure vitriol behind the crates: does the very idea of them actually offend you as a concept?...It's the "free hit" to get people into gambling...
Davor summed up the point I was making. As far as the vitriol - Personally I could care less. I dont buy crates and not interested in doing so. Not my cup of tea.
VaranisArano how many available rewards would you have to be interested in to make 1 crate a worthwhile purchase?
Jolipinator wrote: »Interesting season to choose. I was lucky enough to get the dwarven spider mount in one of the free psijic crates so I may end up with a second dwarven mount. I'd prefer the goggles though.
weedgenius wrote: »Jolipinator wrote: »Interesting season to choose. I was lucky enough to get the dwarven spider mount in one of the free psijic crates so I may end up with a second dwarven mount. I'd prefer the goggles though.
I really want the goggles, too. And the eyeshadows!!
weedgenius wrote: »Plus a Psijic one. Thoughts? Would be nice if we could buy Dwarven items with our gems as well.
DocFrost72 wrote: »griffkhalifa wrote: »
Thats like saying crack is not crack when its free...Zos is trying to get more people hooked with these free crates. Why else give away what is already a profitable product? To be nice?
Er, no not really. You can't gamble if you put nothing at stake. This equivalency is shabby. Also I don't get the pure vitriol behind the crates: does the very idea of them actually offend you as a concept?
Just the thousands of dollars you tried to use to get that one Radiant mount, nothing at stake hm.
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »griffkhalifa wrote: »
Thats like saying crack is not crack when its free...Zos is trying to get more people hooked with these free crates. Why else give away what is already a profitable product? To be nice?
Er, no not really. You can't gamble if you put nothing at stake. This equivalency is shabby. Also I don't get the pure vitriol behind the crates: does the very idea of them actually offend you as a concept?...It's the "free hit" to get people into gambling...
Davor summed up the point I was making. As far as the vitriol - Personally I could care less. I dont buy crates and not interested in doing so. Not my cup of tea.
Well, at least for me, all the 'free' crates (and similar things in other games) help me not buy any. Because I see how lousy the drops are and how much of a waste of $ it'd be.
Still, I'll happily let them keep trying to 'convince' me, since it gets me some free stuff. /shrug
griffkhalifa wrote: »
Thats like saying crack is not crack when its free...Zos is trying to get more people hooked with these free crates. Why else give away what is already a profitable product? To be nice?
BozzyTheDrummer wrote: »10? Am I ***, I swear I counted 7 last night when looking at the rewards plus the psijic one. Lmao
The first day contains 4. 4+6=10
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Completely ridiculous to say if it's free, it ain't gambling. Never read something so boneheaded on here and that takes some doing even by the standards some set on here. Gambling is gambling. Next you'll be telling me those *FREE* initial bets a number of gambling companies give out to new customers aren't gambling. or those free spins casinos give to potential new customers.
Jesus. Sometimes you really do have to wonder if some people live in total isolation and have read nothing but Batman magazines all their life.
I don't mind CC either way. I have bought some myself and will continue to buy some in future, so yeah, I have no axe to grind either way.
Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Completely ridiculous to say if it's free, it ain't gambling. Never read something so boneheaded on here and that takes some doing even by the standards some set on here. Gambling is gambling. Next you'll be telling me those *FREE* initial bets a number of gambling companies give out to new customers aren't gambling. or those free spins casinos give to potential new customers.
Jesus. Sometimes you really do have to wonder if some people live in total isolation and have read nothing but Batman magazines all their life.
I don't mind CC either way. I have bought some myself and will continue to buy some in future, so yeah, I have no axe to grind either way.
A couple of definitions of gamble from the internet:
1.play games of chance for money; bet.
2.take risky action in the hope of a desired result.
Opening a FREE crown crate doesn't really fit either definition. You haven't risked anything (i.e. you haven't spent any money), nor are you playing a game of chance for money (i.e. betting, which involves a small sum of money up front in the hopes of getting a big score).
But, if the simple act of opening a loot crate, or rolling a dice, or spinning a wheel is gambling, then yeah...ok. Placing a free bet on horses...hmm...you're still not gambling with your own money.
I think, in the end, your definition of gambling includes all parts of the action, whereas many of us take the view that gambling involves putting up some kind of collateral or spending money first.
ETA: I recognize that all those free chances at stuff is designed to encourage people to gamble, and many cannot resist, especially compulsive gamblers. So, for them, potentially, even free chances at something is gambling, since it may very well lead them to start spending their own money.