AP Exploiters right now on EU Vivec IC

Mystrius_Archaion

code65536 wrote: »

How is this an exploit? You don't get AP if you had recently taken the flag.

We took a district flag, got driven off by some yellows who took the flag, and when we beat them and retook the flag, there was no AP at all for the second capture.

ZOS added the AP cooldown specifically because of the keep flipper issue. That cooldown is still there, so anyone hoping to get AP that way will find that they're getting pretty poor return for their time.

So it just means instead of going to the same exact keep/flag every time that it is beneficial to play "musical chairs" and flip a keep and move on and have another alliance following behind to reflip it and the other following behind them, nobody defending, so that they cycle all the way around the zone flipping everything like the stoplight going "green>yellow>red" and back again for maximum AP.

It's genius really. It gets everybody their goal of maximum rewards and makes pvp cooperation better for once even within a single alliance.

Aesthier

I find it ridiculous how people now use the term "exploit" for any playstyle other than their own preferred playstyle.

SydneyGrey

It's part of the game in PvP for people to take and re-take keeps and flags and such. That's what you do. Not sure how that's "exploiting" unless the two teams are actually coordinating their efforts on purpose in order to do it, and the chance of that is practically zero. The two teams aren't even able to communicate with each other.

Zer0oo

It is just roleplay. Just look up bleakers roleplay from last year.

Nightfall12

Wait isn't this exactly what folks got banned for last year when they did the double ap no cp test run?

folks taking turns flipping not moving around but just standing still waiting and flipping?
I know there have been times in normal play when you will chase a group around a keep when they keep taking resources to try and cut travel and they claim and move to the next one, after going around the keep once you eventually catch up and engage directly. But to have 2 groups right there watching each other flip....?

How does anyone defend this?

saying it is the same as 2 factions teaming to defeat the third doesn't even make sense. If Gold is trouncing everyone it may be best if red helps blue defend a keep, as this could be to prevent EMp changing..... but if they are swapping AP gains they are just harvesting AP so they can get EMP

shaielzafine

The same thing has been happening in PC NA where AD / EP just camp flags without attacking each other. I'm also seeing a lot of people (from all 3 factions) using other exploits such as walking through keep / outpost walls that are 100% repaired, but the walls are not rendered. They just jump in through the hole and cap the keep not even bothering to take down the front door or the side doors. I'm disgusted that ZOS hasn't fixed this exploit / bug. The faction swapping & ap farming is one thing, but zergs of people from all factions just jumping in through unrendered walls is straight up exploiting. There's no point to cheating especially during double AP event, but I guess whoever's in charge of pvp doesn't care since this bug was already posted in the PvP part of this forum even before the event. Watching people of the same faction not even siege and just use the bug, or getting zerged down by people of other factions go through the wall because it hasn't rendered, I'm so done. I don't know why I expected Midyear Mayhem to be playable or fun.

Mystrius_Archaion

shaielzafine wrote: »

I'm also seeing a lot of people (from all 3 factions) using other exploits such as walking through keep / outpost walls that are 100% repaired, but the walls are not rendered. They just jump in through the hole and cap the keep not even bothering to take down the front door or the side doors. I'm disgusted that ZOS hasn't fixed this exploit / bug.

That's what you get when the code sucks and the walls are treated as attackable NPCs, which is how they have to be coded to be damaged. Sometimes you get a messed up "spawn" where the server side code isn't telling everyone the same thing so they can use that.

efster

I was noticing somewhat regular flipping in PC NA Vivec IC this weekend and actually wondered to myself if it was the new Bleakers -- I hadn't realised there was a cooldown in IC too. That's only 36K AP per hour, which is really not much of a farm -- you can earn a hell of a lot more PVPing like a normal person in overland Cyrodiil without having to coordinate perfectly timed flag captures with players from another faction.

But honestly the flag AP in IC is so superfluous and out of place, given the story and the massive Daedra presence. The Tel Var % bonus should be a reward in itself, if people want AP they should fight other players.

Mystrius_Archaion

efster wrote: »

But honestly the flag AP in IC is so superfluous and out of place, given the story and the massive Daedra presence. The Tel Var % bonus should be a reward in itself, if people want AP they should fight other players.

I think the Imperial City zone should be cooperative like any other zone, honestly. It would better suit the story and conditions there. It would also make sense if you couldn't see the dolmen portal at the tower from outside in Cyrodiil until you actually got into the Imperial City on the story, like how the tower in Summerset changes with the story there.

It would make sense that each alliance would be fighting each other for the throne only to breach the Imperial City walls and find that Molag Bal has seized his chance to take over, after formerly being subtle playing them against each other and distracting them with the imperials, and forcing the alliances to cooperate to stop him. Then, you could end it by having the final battle at the top of the tower and the dolmen releasing and one player, in a solo instance so everyone can, being crowned emperor by all the alliance leaders who were all helped by them.

Now that would be awesome!

The Imperial City content currently doesn't make sense as is. FYI, I have not run the story yet due to the pvp in the zone being a huge barrier/deterrent so I don't know if it actually does come close to my idea, but I bet it doesn't.

Karivaa

That is not exploiting unless they are purposely dying to give the opposing team larger tics.

cazlonb16_ESO

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

What is the only way to stop this and every other exploit to gaining AP?
Remove rewards for pvp and make it "just for serious pvpers and fun". Seriously, this works and is the absolute only way to stop all future exploits.

That's pretty much already implemented. The "rewards" are neglible - Both in general and during this event specifically.

DanteYoda

PvP is garbage .. in a nutshell..

Marabornwingrion

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Remove rewards for pvp and make it "just for serious pvpers and fun". Seriously, this works and is the absolute only way to stop all future exploits.

What about PvPers who buy trial skin run carry?
Should we also remove all rewards from PvE to stop abusing it? And let's leave rewards only from fishing in the game?

No comment.

Mystrius_Archaion

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

What is the only way to stop this and every other exploit to gaining AP?
Remove rewards for pvp and make it "just for serious pvpers and fun". Seriously, this works and is the absolute only way to stop all future exploits.

That's pretty much already implemented. The "rewards" are neglible - Both in general and during this event specifically.

Not exactly. I wanted to go for the alliance rank dyes and would like the emperor costume and throne furnishing, but the performance during the event is even worse than outside the event and it is too busy so I would likely have no chance in pvp of getting much. I would prefer a way to avoid pvp to get those cosmetic options.
Those rewards are not negligible, certainly not to me.

Mystrius_Archaion

Astrid_V wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Remove rewards for pvp and make it "just for serious pvpers and fun". Seriously, this works and is the absolute only way to stop all future exploits.

What about PvPers who buy trial skin run carry?

I'm all for that too since I still have yet to get the trial skins. I also don't like that now they require "hard mode" for the recent ones. That is so annoying being forced to rely on others when I know if there was a solo option I could guarantee being able to work hard for it.

FloppyTouch

Wish this was going on xb na all the zergs are in vivec and all the ball zerg group went into the new campaigns to feel badass.

Girl_Number8

best_player_ever wrote: »

also would be nice for newcomers to know how this company act with such things. ignoring reports/tickets/posts no action no even a word.

They really can't deal with it~ unfortunately this and many other things are going on but that's PvP sadly~

Girl_Number8

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

What do you expect from people who don't normally pvp because they don't like it and just go there for the incentives so they can get the cosmetic dyes and skills unlocked that they can use in pve?

It's ZOS's own fault and is just more obvious now with the event on but I would bet money happened before the event.


What is the only way to stop this and every other exploit to gaining AP?
Remove rewards for pvp and make it "just for serious pvpers and fun". Seriously, this works and is the absolute only way to stop all future exploits.

This has been done by hardcore PvP players long before the event. I reported it many times but they can't watch every aspect of the game~

It is depressing but I wouldn't blame the event or new players~ I think most of them are trying to enjoy the event an learn how to PvP. Which is good because the more life that comes back into cyro then Zos will care more~

Slick_007

best_player_ever wrote: »

i'm still here eu vivec ic and still 2 same grps of exploiters swaping flags clockwise. same grp same ppl... well let it be my 5 cents and i hope it helps to *** this incompetent company ny the time ofc unfortunately but sure this will happened

yes, how dare they not do your bidding in the 30min since your first post. What the hell are they doing?

Qbiken

Surprises my that it took people so long to realise capturing IC flags are quite an efficient way to farm AP. Not as efficient as creating artificial defensive ticks, but still pretty efficient. Assuming you can flip the flags without being disturbed taking a flag would roughly take 5 minutes (including riding between flags and killing guards). So 90-100k AP/hours (outside of the Mayhem event) is quite possible if coordinated well enough.

While it´s very obvious when this "soft-exploit" is done, I can´t imagine someone being reported for it. Technically it´s just two players capturing flags, which isn´t against any rules or terms of service. Aside from farming tel-var, molag bal or doing the IC questline, capturing flags is what you do in IC.

Only way I see this being handled is either:
a) More people start using this method, making it somewhat difficult for people to abuse this AP-farming method.
b) ZOS make some changes so that capturing flags in IC becomes a bad way of farming AP.

Troneon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcBTOU7RvbU

Beardimus

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't see the issue...there is no exploit here they just doing rotation cap... so pls remove this thread cuz its baiting from a person perspective that somehow managed to sneak out of the box and got mind blown by the fact that some things can happen in a different way.

Said every AP booster ever. As do alliance switchers to flip keeps to side emp etc etc.

Report these scum in game OP. Take a video, send it. Last eve t people got banned.