Templars BiS for Werewolf! (passive wise)

Skullstachio

With the Wolfhunter DLC coming soon to console, I did a bit of thinking as I try to think of good DPS combinations in terms of Class, Supernatural Affliction (I.e. Lycanthropy, Vampirism.) and other skill lines, but something kinda hit me... (metaphorically with a hint of brilliance.)

Since werewolves will be able to resurrect other players, I just realised that Templars will be able to not only benefit from “Balanced Warrior” and “Restoring Spirit”, But also from “Master Ritualist”, statistically by pen and paper, this means that, while most classes will make the most of 1 or 2 class passives in werewolf form, but templars will be able to benefit from 3 class passives respectively (uh-oh...)

For those of you who already know about this (primarily those on the PTS) insert witty remark in the comments (just slightly yankin yer funny bone), but otherwise, I myself find this rather intriguing and I am sure a lot of people would be equally more or less intrigued by this.

Chibs

Interesting. Though I am told that Stam Sorc will be the best werewolf class but hey who knows

Brrrofski

I'd say Stam sorc. Mag Regen passive (for healing), reduced cost of skills and ult (means more ww uptime) as well as physical damage amps and implosion.

Alcast

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

Chibs

Alcast wrote: »

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

Yep that looks about right. Based on that I’d say that Stam Sorc is the best for pure werewolf because of 5% more physical damage

Hibernato

Night blades can become ww the quickest. Better ult passives than sorc and templar, 20 ult for eating a potion, then 2 ult every 4 seconds from transfer passive, 10 ult when killing an enemy if using soul harvest

Pretty sure if you have shadow and siphoning skills on the bar you turn to ww they will increase your max hp and magicka too because of the magicka flood and dark vigor passives but I'd have to double check later and will update this post

Chibs

Hibernato wrote: »

Night blades can become ww the quickest. Better ult passives than sorc and templar, 20 ult for eating a potion, then 2 ult every 4 seconds from transfer passive, 10 ult when killing an enemy if using soul harvest

Pretty sure if you have shadow and siphoning skills on the bar you turn to ww they will increase your max hp and magicka too because of the magicka flood and dark vigor passives but I'd have to double check later and will update this post

Yeah but getting into werewolf fast for pve doesn’t really matter. Because Werewolf is purely single target pretty much which means you will be using it on bosses. If you use it on a boss you most likely won’t lose form during the fight since werewolf can do so much dps now.

Skullstachio

@Alcast wrote: »

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

You forgot the sorcerers “Implosion” passive, mostly the physical counterpart wolf wise. (When you deal Physical Damage, you have a 6% chance to instantly pulverize enemies under 15% Health, dealing 4372 Physical Damage.)
Note: the damage was as perceived by the UESP and can be affected by champion passives, armor sets, etc.

So really, I’d say The Sorcerer and The Templar are on Par with a few differences.

The Sorcerer is more oriented on Damage with cost reductions on Magicka and stamina and a more heavier cost reduction to ultimates, extra Magicka recovery and added physical damage plus extra on enemies with 15% health or less 6% of the time.

The Templar, while not as physically strong, but is more orientated on DPS with a particularly greater lean on Teamplay unlike the sorcerer, Having slightly less Cost reduction (4%) for stamina, Magicka and ultimate abilities, 6% weapon damage and 2640 spell resistance, making it slightly easier to weather out incoming spell damage, and (teamplay part) capable of Resurrecting allies 20% faster with 100% more health, making it easier to maintain overall group DPS than normal when accidental deaths occur.

But nonetheless, Nicely put Alcast, always good to Collaborate with a genius.
1+ Insightful.

Hibernato

Chibs wrote: »

Yeah but getting into werewolf fast for pve doesn’t really matter. Because Werewolf is purely single target pretty much which means you will be using it on bosses. If you use it on a boss you most likely won’t lose form during the fight since werewolf can do so much dps now.

Well someone mentioned ult reduction passives and didnt mention NBs so thought I'd say

Edit: Also thought op was just interested in any passives because they mentioned templar reviving passive and isn't that a dps loss? If this is all about the deeps

perditioner

While it only helps you when transforming and a couple seconds after, some classes help you pass buffs to werewolf form.

DK has molten weapon and inferno, sorc has hurricane and critical surge, Nightblade has blur and siphoning attacks, templar has... Nothing that a stamina dps would normally slot.

Tyrobag

Alcast wrote: »

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

You missed the big one: Implosion

Qbiken

Tyrobag wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

You missed the big one: Implosion

Implosion might be the most unreliable feature on a stamsorc WW. Sure it´s hilarious when it goes off, but it´s the last reason you would pick sorc for ww

Skullstachio

@Tyrobag wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

You missed the big one: Implosion

I already said Alcast was missing implosion in the comments (comment #8 to be specific)

Drdeath20

Your missing implosion. First. Haha jk

DuskMarine

Alcast wrote: »

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

implosion should proc on werewolf physical attacks as well.

Mister_DMC

Alcast wrote: »

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

Come back Goat leader!

usmguy1234

Chibs wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Let me know if I forgot something, i am currently working on a Werewolf Guide, almost finished.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
+20% increased resurrection speed. Resurrected allies revive with 100% more health.

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery


Warden
-15% snare effectiveness
+10% HP if maturation passive procs

Yep that looks about right. Based on that I’d say that Stam Sorc is the best for pure werewolf because of 5% more physical damage

Imagine that + orc.