Stamina DK is painfully boring

MaxwellC

After the DK class was stripped of almost everything that made it unique with armor, other classes, and skills open to everyone having traits of our old skills that we lost; I've recently played again and was reminded how boring this class is.

Stamina DK in particular is the most boring as there's little to no skills that are available to this aspect of the class in regards to PvP. I got back on from a hiatus due to those feelings piling up but I decided to give lagghyem a try when I rekindled this unwanted feeling. Reminiscing about the good ol days where my class had a unique skill-set (some hard to notice and others you'd see right away i.e FoO) it just made me decide to log right out.

Any other Stamina DKs feeling this kind of thing in PvP as of late?

Edit: People seem to think this thread is about me being bad in PvP or at-least implying that. Just wanna say as an old school PvPer with over 100k AvA kills... my skills aren't the issue, the class is just boring. I've mained this class since the days where PvP was at-least play-able at prime time and dark anchors were actually tough. I enjoy the DK class but just can't stand the way it is now especially when we had better skills way back then.
Also please skew down the anecdotal statements you use to justify a narrative your pushing.

Enslaved

TheShadowScout

I always thought stamina DKs must be pretty bored in PvP. I mean, they never seem to break a sweat swatting down my poor lil nightblade archger girl when I go PvPlaying... but that may be because I just suck at the PvPness...

Still, it did feel like they had it easy. Ranged enamy? Flap yer wings, laugh at them hitting themselves. Melee enemy? Grind them down, then GDB yourself and finish them. DK seemed to have all the goodies and I have seen some of them murderboat whole parties all on their own... sure seemed like they would always be the ones left standing...

But eh. I suppose DK players might think similar of gankbuild nightblades, or shieldstacking sorcs, or... whatever is the current META or whatnot.

Anyhow, if someone finds their character boring... its time to experiment! Switch things up, see if you can make -ineffective- combinations work out! Find something that's -fun- for you to play again! Or find some way to -make- your DK fun for you again. I still have fun playing my ole nightblade from summer '14. Up to each if they can make their characters fun, or have to go change something.

MaxwellC

@TheShadowScout
Not sure which Stam DK uses GDB but more power to them for giving that heaping pile of garbage a try and wings isn't something you can spam unless you don't have any other magicka utility skill.

Thing about Stam DK is that there's too little access to skills, too many utilities that aren't worth it, and a whole lot of using weapon skill-lines for damage. In the way back then, it wasn't necessarily the case but as the game devolved we kept losing those abilities.

I'm all for experimenting but I'd rather not keep getting wrecked by doing so, I perform pretty ok in PvP but it's hard to get into it. It's the same old relying on weapon skills for damage while other classes drop massive hits with their class skills, heal to full bar in a sec, hard cc you from a mile away while cursing/stacking shields, and running all around the map with so many buffs.

Stam DK is just a slow moving train with a one trick pony i.e animation cancelling.

Actually_Goku

I’ve been having a blast with my Stam DK in battlegrounds. I can’t get 3.5k weapon damage, 30k resists, 35k health with 1800 Stam recovery with an ultimate to use every other 15 seconds on any other spec.

We’ve got access to major mending, debuffs, inherent tankiness, some of the best ults and dot’s... We are slow, which is the main con. But if that’s a massive issue, use speed pots.

TheShadowScout

MaxwellC wrote: »

Not sure which Stam DK uses GDB but more power to them for giving that heaping pile of garbage a try

There was that guy in Brume one day, when I was sneaking up to him thinking "hey, he hasn't detected me, lets try and gank someone for a change" and so I did... and it looked gfood for the initial backstab and follow up, then... CC-break, GDB and block, and then my squishy little nightblade got plower under by shield rushes and lava whips.

Maybe its not that commonly used, but I can only speak of the memorable PvP fights -I- have had...

MaxwellC wrote: »

and wings isn't something you can spam unless you don't have any other magicka utility skill.

Read the context. I usually PvP as -archer-
Imagine you are a DK, and you face an dunmer girl with a bow. Would you bother with -other- magica utility skills? Okay, I wised up since then and use acid spray a -lot- more now, especially -because- of wing-flapping DKs...

MaxwellC wrote: »

Thing about Stam DK is that there's too little access to skills, too many utilities that aren't worth it, and a whole lot of using weapon skill-lines for damage.

That is how stamina classes are -supposed- to work.
And rejoice, these days you get at least -some- stamina morphs for your class skills. Wasn't always that way, you know...

In the end, if -you- find it boring, its up to -you- to find something you enjoy playing.
Not to whine until the deveopers magically make it better.
Especially when others...

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I’ve been having a blast with my Stam DK in battlegrounds.

...yeah, that!

bg22

That’s basically how Stam works... the majority of our skills come from generic skill lines. Play a MagDK if you want more class skills to utilize.

Morgul667

I dont think StamDK is boring to be honest, not my main but I still enjoy it

WhoThenNow7

StamDK has been my main ever since I started playing this game. I have separate gear and skills for both PVE and PVP. And I just completed vMA for the first time with him today. I think StamDK is awesome; but of course I wouldn't be opposed of buffs. For one, it would be nice if GDB didn't suck and cost stamina.

Mattock_Romulus

I love how non-dk players are arguing that Stamina DKs are fine and support their arguments telling stories about Magicka DKs.

NBrookus

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

Not sure which Stam DK uses GDB but more power to them for giving that heaping pile of garbage a try

There was that guy in Brume one day, when I was sneaking up to him thinking "hey, he hasn't detected me, lets try and gank someone for a change" and so I did... and it looked gfood for the initial backstab and follow up, then... CC-break, GDB and block, and then my squishy little nightblade got plower under by shield rushes and lava whips.

That's a magDK using a stam gap closer for utility, and almost certainly Coag DB.

MaxwellC

Yeah I didn't bother pointing that out because it already seemed like I was getting trolled in that response so I simply payed said user no mind at that point.

JumpmanLane

I main a magdk now; but started as a StamDK. StamDK just feels gimped vs a Magdk. In order to play Stam and actually use DK abilities I was using way to many magicka abilities. May as well have rolled a magdk.

When ever I see a DK charge right towards me and I damage him a bit I feel a little bit wistful. I think “That was me.” Charging in like a warrior and getting reckt. Sure I use stam poisons on the fool and mop him. But oh well.

geonsocal

wish the stam dk had some kind of stamina based ranged class attack...buff the rock

OrphanHelgen

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

I love how non-dk players are arguing that Stamina DKs are fine and support their arguments telling stories about Magicka DKs.

haha I was thinking the same before I saw this comment.

Ragnarock41

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I always thought stamina DKs must be pretty bored in PvP. I mean, they never seem to break a sweat swatting down my poor lil nightblade archger girl when I go PvPlaying... but that may be because I just suck at the PvPness...

Still, it did feel like they had it easy. Ranged enamy? Flap yer wings, laugh at them hitting themselves. Melee enemy? Grind them down, then GDB yourself and finish them. DK seemed to have all the goodies and I have seen some of them murderboat whole parties all on their own... sure seemed like they would always be the ones left standing...

But eh. I suppose DK players might think similar of gankbuild nightblades, or shieldstacking sorcs, or... whatever is the current META or whatnot.

Anyhow, if someone finds their character boring... its time to experiment! Switch things up, see if you can make -ineffective- combinations work out! Find something that's -fun- for you to play again! Or find some way to -make- your DK fun for you again. I still have fun playing my ole nightblade from summer '14. Up to each if they can make their characters fun, or have to go change something.

I'm pretty sure you can't tell the difference between a magDK and a stamDK, not trying to insult you, but I've read both of your comments and I'm pretty sure that is a magicka Dk, not stam.

Sylosi

MaxwellC wrote: »

Also please skew down the anecdotal statements you use to justify a narrative your pushing.

Irony...

Ragnarock41

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I’ve been having a blast with my Stam DK in battlegrounds. I can’t get 3.5k weapon damage, 30k resists, 35k health with 1800 Stam recovery with an ultimate to use every other 15 seconds on any other spec.

We’ve got access to major mending, debuffs, inherent tankiness, some of the best ults and dot’s... We are slow, which is the main con. But if that’s a massive issue, use speed pots.

Now, as a stamDK you gain 3300 spell resistance and %5 weapon damage from minor brutality, do explain what do these stats have to do with stamDk? Do we have special gear that other classes aren't allowed to use?

Avnr

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I’ve been having a blast with my Stam DK in battlegrounds. I can’t get 3.5k weapon damage, 30k resists, 35k health with 1800 Stam recovery with an ultimate to use every other 15 seconds on any other spec.

We’ve got access to major mending, debuffs, inherent tankiness, some of the best ults and dot’s... We are slow, which is the main con. But if that’s a massive issue, use speed pots.

Now, as a stamDK you gain 3300 spell resistance and %5 weapon damage from minor brutality, do explain what do these stats have to do with stamDk? Do we have special gear that other classes aren't allowed to use?

you can have all the resist and hp and wd and recovery (fury,7L,skeleto,mighty) , but to kill you have DOTS and? Dizzying Swing? Downbreaker?
No class spawn skill

Ragnarock41

Avnr wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I’ve been having a blast with my Stam DK in battlegrounds. I can’t get 3.5k weapon damage, 30k resists, 35k health with 1800 Stam recovery with an ultimate to use every other 15 seconds on any other spec.

We’ve got access to major mending, debuffs, inherent tankiness, some of the best ults and dot’s... We are slow, which is the main con. But if that’s a massive issue, use speed pots.

Now, as a stamDK you gain 3300 spell resistance and %5 weapon damage from minor brutality, do explain what do these stats have to do with stamDk? Do we have special gear that other classes aren't allowed to use?

you can have all the resist and hp and wd and recovery (fury,7L,skeleto,mighty) , but to kill you have DOTS and? Dizzying Swing? Downbreaker?
No class spawn skill

Explain to me, what I'm asking is, Which part of those comes from stamDK itself?

3300 spell resist, yes.
%5 weapon damage, yes.

The rest?

bg22

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Avnr wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I’ve been having a blast with my Stam DK in battlegrounds. I can’t get 3.5k weapon damage, 30k resists, 35k health with 1800 Stam recovery with an ultimate to use every other 15 seconds on any other spec.

We’ve got access to major mending, debuffs, inherent tankiness, some of the best ults and dot’s... We are slow, which is the main con. But if that’s a massive issue, use speed pots.

Now, as a stamDK you gain 3300 spell resistance and %5 weapon damage from minor brutality, do explain what do these stats have to do with stamDk? Do we have special gear that other classes aren't allowed to use?

you can have all the resist and hp and wd and recovery (fury,7L,skeleto,mighty) , but to kill you have DOTS and? Dizzying Swing? Downbreaker?
No class spawn skill

Explain to me, what I'm asking is, Which part of those comes from stamDK itself?

3300 spell resist, yes.
%5 weapon damage, yes.

The rest?

That’s how Stam builds work dude.

Why’s that so hard to understand?

Mister_DMC

Stam dk is fine. I've mained for for just over 3 years and I use claw, breath, fossilize, leap and corrosive... No dizzy swing or dawnbreaker.

MaxwellC

@Sylosi
Sorry I didn't know I wasn't using facts about my class as anecdotal statements pertain to ones personal view which largely is devoid of facts.
So which part did I say didn't have a fact in it; Was it my class skills given to others *cough* FoO AoE went to Sorc *cough*, my class passive given to armor *Cough* witchman set *cough*, skills being taken and given to everyone *cough* original wings given to shield ulti *cough*.

There's more examples that I can throw up but please clarify what was ironic about my statement because there's facts even you could look at with just a simple search or if you played DK in the past.

bg22

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Sylosi
Sorry I didn't know I wasn't using facts about my class as anecdotal statements pertain to ones personal view which largely is devoid of facts.
So which part did I say didn't have a fact in it; Was it my class skills given to others *cough* FoO AoE went to Sorc *cough*, my class passive given to armor *Cough* witchman set *cough*, skills being taken and given to everyone *cough* original wings given to shield ulti *cough*.

There's more examples that I can throw up but please clarify what was ironic about my statement because there's facts even you could look at with just a simple search or if you played DK in the past.

Yea, but... you don’t have to wear an armor 5 piece to get those benefits.

Take some vitamin C bro. Gotta nasty cough goin on.

MaxwellC

@Mister_DMC
You need to read my post, I'm not complaining about killing an enemy, or surviving; I'm literally talking about how the class is boring because you're over-reliant on class weapon skills while more than 80% of your skills are pragmatically unavailable for use if not consistent use.

MaxwellC

@bg22
You're missing the point he called my statement regarding anecdotes ironic so I merely gave him an example; The fact still stands that our passive is on a set, albeit inferior but nonetheless.
I merely provided an example to show that I'm not pulling things out of thin air so your statement really doesn't make sense to me.

Sleep724

There’s been a few discussions in the PTS forum on this topic. It’s generally people who’ve played Stam DK for some time and know how bad of a spot it’s in now.

Then also you have, like in this thread, people who’ve never played Stam DK before but got outplayed by one one time and think the class doesn’t need any buffs or updates. And forgetting the fact of how often they’re killed by sorcs and NBs but oh! that one Stam DK that got me is op!

Tan9oSuccka

Stam DKs are painful to play.

No burst at all. 2H is just awful especially with out of region players.

Sorc, NB, Magplar, pretty much everything else is in a better spot for right now.

Durham

The problem with the stam DK is it's been hit with nerfs for the last 5 patches most were not intended.. Passives battle roar is better for magicka then stam... Passives in general are weaker compared to the other stam classes...
DKs are sorta build around using shields but currently shields are weak in open world.. Because of the trolls that ran those annoying boring block builds it was nerfed into the ground btw they are never seen these days..
I still play my stam dk but I would say the class needs something .. dots are not the best damage source for a stam class where burst has and will be where it's at in pvp... Duels dots are great but in open world they are not that good...

NBrookus

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Avnr wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I’ve been having a blast with my Stam DK in battlegrounds. I can’t get 3.5k weapon damage, 30k resists, 35k health with 1800 Stam recovery with an ultimate to use every other 15 seconds on any other spec.

We’ve got access to major mending, debuffs, inherent tankiness, some of the best ults and dot’s... We are slow, which is the main con. But if that’s a massive issue, use speed pots.

Now, as a stamDK you gain 3300 spell resistance and %5 weapon damage from minor brutality, do explain what do these stats have to do with stamDk? Do we have special gear that other classes aren't allowed to use?

you can have all the resist and hp and wd and recovery (fury,7L,skeleto,mighty) , but to kill you have DOTS and? Dizzying Swing? Downbreaker?
No class spawn skill

Explain to me, what I'm asking is, Which part of those comes from stamDK itself?

3300 spell resist, yes.
%5 weapon damage, yes.

The rest?

Don't forget that OP 10% block cost reduction when people talk about how DKs are inherently tanky.

Mister_DMC

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Mister_DMC
You need to read my post, I'm not complaining about killing an enemy, or surviving; I'm literally talking about how the class is boring because you're over-reliant on class weapon skills while more than 80% of your skills are pragmatically unavailable for use if not consistent use.

Well every class uses multiple global skill lines, Stam sorc is arguably worse with even less usuable skills.