Epic to Legendary Gear (Purple to Gold) - What am I missing?

Sirvys

I have been playing for years but have never bothered to gold out that many sets. I really like what I'm currently running on my mDK, so I looked at the stat comparison if I were to make all my gear legendary, and the difference is laughable. It's like 500 more magicka, 20 more spell damage, small increase to resistances, etc. Considering the cost, what exactly is the point? Am I missing something or is it basically worthless to improve your gear to legendary? Will you even see a noticeable difference?

*Note: I am not referring to weapons, as making them legendary provides a big jump in your weapon/spell damage.

Aebaradath

You're not missing anything. The stat difference is negligible.

Jeremy

Sirvys wrote: »

I have been playing for years but have never bothered to gold out that many sets. I really like what I'm currently running on my mDK, so I looked at the stat comparison if I were to make all my gear legendary, and the difference is laughable. It's like 500 more magicka, 20 more spell damage, small increase to resistances, etc. Considering the cost, what exactly is the point? Am I missing something or is it basically worthless to improve your gear to legendary? Will you even see a noticeable difference?

*Note: I am not referring to weapons, as making them legendary provides a big jump in your weapon/spell damage.

It's not a big difference. No. But still - it does provide an improvement so it's worth doing over time as you get the materials. I wouldn't shell out tons of gold in some desperate effort to get all my armor gold asap though.

Valen_Byte

Gold the weapons as you are already aware of but other than that, meh.

ADarklore

It all depends on what trait you're running... because 7 pc Divine trait offers an additional 7% to whatever mundus you're using going from Purple to Gold.

Sirvys

ADarklore wrote: »

It all depends on what trait you're running... because 7 pc Divine trait offers an additional 7% to whatever mundus you're using going from Purple to Gold.

Good point, I am more of a PvP player so do not use divines trait.

MLGProPlayer

It depends on how much gold you have. The cost to gold out gear is negligible to me, so why not get a little boost out of it?

If you're a peasant, then just gold out your weapons and you're good to go. The difference really isn't significant.

Sirvys

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

It depends on how much gold you have. The cost to gold out gear is negligible to me, so why not get a little boost out of it?

If you're a peasant, then just gold out your weapons and you're good to go. The difference really is tiny.

The gold required isn't the issue. I wear light armor, and I probably have 100 wax just sitting there. I just had never noticed how small the benefit was until I put it in build editor and compared the two side by side. Kinda seems pointless now.

Vapirko

It’s still a nice little boost to resources, damage and resistances. Remember a lot of things work on percentages too, so it can be more than the numbers suggest.

Toc de Malsvi

ADarklore wrote: »

It all depends on what trait you're running... because 7 pc Divine trait offers an additional 7% to whatever mundus you're using going from Purple to Gold.

No it really doesn't. Purple to gold is negligible for all traits, and while you gain 7% of the base Mundus because the base Mundus is assured the percent difference between all purple and all gold is less than 5%. Its less than 5% difference of a stat that is already only a small portion of your total stats.

Lover: 192 pen
Warrior/Apprentice: 17 weapon/spell damage
Tower/Mage: 142 mag/stam

These are negligible stat values. It might look nicer or make you feel better but they have little to no effect on your performance. For dps the change in total criticals between parses will more than overcome the additional damage gained from purple to gold on divines.

Lover is the easiest to compare because of the lack of modifiers for penetration. At zero penetration 192 pen is a 0.6% increase in dps, less than 1%. At 18000 penetration, it is worth 0.3%, when accounting for the function of "criticals" as a percentage chance based modifier this becomes statistically insignificant.

Some proc sets may have damage proc's that may or may not make golding out the sets worthwhile. However the gain to Mundus is not significant enough to have any reliable difference.

Toc de Malsvi

If you have access to a good guild trader and are not overflowing with money then it makes zero sense to upgrade to gold on gear. Just sell the tempers/resins/wax etc and pocket the gold. There is always plenty of players that just have to have their gear gold.

Onefrkncrzypope

PvP it is pretty small difference but for pve there is a difference. Not an astonishing amount but it does push a parse alittle higher. I think a streamer showed what the difference between purple and gold. Weapons I think was a 3k boost while gold clothing was like a 1k boost, I think. Itight have been deltia. I don't remember

Brrrofski

I gold weapons and monster sets for PvP. Never the rest as I change sets too much.

For pve dps it's a bit more important. Not that important though unless you're trying to squeeze everything out of a build and ushinf scores in trials.

Shadowmaster

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

No it really doesn't. Purple to gold is negligible for all traits

Post the differences with Infused. Stuff that changes % modifiers on armor pieces is not something to sneeze at.

idk

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

You're not missing anything. The stat difference is negligible.

Except for weapons. Purple weapons at CP160 are noticeably weaker.

Armor set bonus wise, only gold if you are a great player on a true progression team doling out great DPS. Otherwise it is not worth it.

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

No it really doesn't. Purple to gold is negligible for all traits

Post the differences with Infused. Stuff that changes % modifiers on armor pieces is not something to sneeze at.

I have yet to see a proven end game dps build with infused armor pieces. Have only seen it for PvP and that would be merely for max stats and especially with prismatic enchants.

Smasherx74

Despite what people are telling you, it does make a difference this is indisputable. Does it make a notable difference? Yep it does, and depending on your build it could make a huge difference. First and foremost, your weapons should ALWAYS be gold, this is something everyone agrees on even if you aren't fully golding your gear. Second of all, a full purple divines gear is 6.5% increase on the mundus, that's a total of 45.5% increase. A full gold divines gear is 7.5% increase, a total of 52.5% increase. That difference may seem negligible but it's not, do you want to hit the pen cap optimally or do you want to be forced to go over/under? Third, gold gear yields more resistance and more powerful enchants, I don't have to give you math to prove this point. If you have more stamina, health, or magicka, and more resistance you 1) Stay alive easier/longer, and 2) Have more resources. And finally, the sets themselves improve based on the quality of your gear. This is why farming for gold jewelery is a thing. Taking everything into consideration, golding your gear is not just worth it it's imo required to run a top end build. Maybe you're just really good with a really good build and can pull 40k on a dummy with purple gear, great good for you, too bad not everyone is that good and their build isn't that optimal. So that gold gear, is going to help a LOT. You're less spongy, have more resources, have more powerful stat bonuses, everything is simply better and easier.

Fully golding your gear will run upward 100k gold, which is easily made by simply playing the game. I'm in the process of finishing golding my Relequen+Ravager build. I'm absolutely broke, sitting on roughly 80k right now with 2 or 3 pieces left to go. What I do is go to each trader looking for wax under 3,900g, somewhere between 3.6 - 3.9 is the only price range I'll purchase wax at. 4k or over is a rip off. I'm that guy who golds everything, I'm still sitting on fully golded sets like TBS, Nightmothersgaze, Hunding, julanios, necro, combat prayer, you name it I've golded it. That isn't always the best idea, and sure I've stupidly golded low Vet rank items back in the day. Just remember, it's worth golding your gear.

hakan

Like u said except weapons i think there is one more use. For jewelry when you want to make potion cd traits. One second each matters imo.

Shezzarrine

idk wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

You're not missing anything. The stat difference is negligible.

Except for weapons. Purple weapons at CP160 are noticeably weaker.

Armor set bonus wise, only gold if you are a great player on a true progression team doling out great DPS. Otherwise it is not worth it.

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

No it really doesn't. Purple to gold is negligible for all traits

Post the differences with Infused. Stuff that changes % modifiers on armor pieces is not something to sneeze at.

I have yet to see a proven end game dps build with infused armor pieces. Have only seen it for PvP and that would be merely for max stats and especially with prismatic enchants.

Infused in large pieces is bis now for Magicka builds because if the way light attacks scale now. Look up LZHs magblade video (the guy has the top score for every class in vMA on PC NA)

starkerealm

Sirvys wrote: »

*Note: I am not referring to weapons, as making them legendary provides a big jump in your weapon/spell damage.

Yeah, that's the only thing.

There's a minor error in your math by the way. The values you see printed on an item card are averaged across the entire set. So, a purple set might offer 124 weapon damage, while the gold version will over 129. Each piece you upgrade from purple to gold will increase your weapon damage by 1. Each primary stat includes by 8 (roughly) for each upgraded piece.

Even enchantment upgrades are pretty negligible. Small enchants increase by 27, large ones by 66. (Though, with infused these values will be slightly higher.

Ironically, the only reason to upgrade weapons to gold is because it increases the base item's stat. This is usually a difference of a little over 200. I mean, you mentioned you understand this, but I'm throwing it out there for anyone unfamiliar with the reasoning.

Toc de Malsvi

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Despite what people are telling you, it does make a difference this is indisputable. Does it make a notable difference? Yep it does, and depending on your build it could make a huge difference. First and foremost, your weapons should ALWAYS be gold, this is something everyone agrees on even if you aren't fully golding your gear. Second of all, a full purple divines gear is 6.5% increase on the mundus, that's a total of 45.5% increase. A full gold divines gear is 7.5% increase, a total of 52.5% increase. That difference may seem negligible but it's not, do you want to hit the pen cap optimally or do you want to be forced to go over/under? Third, gold gear yields more resistance and more powerful enchants, I don't have to give you math to prove this point. If you have more stamina, health, or magicka, and more resistance you 1) Stay alive easier/longer, and 2) Have more resources. And finally, the sets themselves improve based on the quality of your gear. This is why farming for gold jewelery is a thing. Taking everything into consideration, golding your gear is not just worth it it's imo required to run a top end build. Maybe you're just really good with a really good build and can pull 40k on a dummy with purple gear, great good for you, too bad not everyone is that good and their build isn't that optimal. So that gold gear, is going to help a LOT. You're less spongy, have more resources, have more powerful stat bonuses, everything is simply better and easier.

Fully golding your gear will run upward 100k gold, which is easily made by simply playing the game. I'm in the process of finishing golding my Relequen+Ravager build. I'm absolutely broke, sitting on roughly 80k right now with 2 or 3 pieces left to go. What I do is go to each trader looking for wax under 3,900g, somewhere between 3.6 - 3.9 is the only price range I'll purchase wax at. 4k or over is a rip off. I'm that guy who golds everything, I'm still sitting on fully golded sets like TBS, Nightmothersgaze, Hunding, julanios, necro, combat prayer, you name it I've golded it. That isn't always the best idea, and sure I've stupidly golded low Vet rank items back in the day. Just remember, it's worth golding your gear.

The resistance gain is negligible, the damage gain is essentially negligible. Stop spreading misinformation based on your feelings.

Lets assume for a moment you can pull 40k dps over a 2 min parse.

Assuming you have ZERO penetration thus gaining the most from lover mundus you would gain 0.6% damage increase from Mundus alone going from purple to gold. To continue to make the math easier lets use Spinner as our set comparison, you gain another 121 penetration, 4 spell power, and 76 max magicka going to all gold from all purple. This equates to close to a 0.4% increase, so sum total you have a 1% increase in output.

If we then allow for a second set and monster set to increase for 0.5% each going from purple to gold, they probably wont but just to be conservative. Then our new increase is 2% for all gold everything.

So we take our 40k parse and increase it by 2% and get 40.8k which seems almost like a realizable difference. That extra 0.8k over 2 minutes amounts to 96,000 total damage, which also seems to perhaps be worth it. Now lets examine an actual parse of similar scale:



Notice the difference between the avg Assassins Will and the avg crit of the same skill, note that actual criticals will vary around your critical hit percentage the longer you fight the closer it will approach a fit to your percentage. Also note the values for Impale and light attacks.

One less crit on Assassins will, Impale and one missed light attack amounts to a decrease in total damage by 50k. This takes out more than half of the gained value of ALL of your gear being gold. Crit variance and rotation performance can easily account for all advantage gained by golding out your gear.

In theory allowing for the settling of crit variance over time, you can gain between 1-2% in dps by golding out your gear. At 30k thats 600 dps gained max, 40k its 800 dps, 50k its 1000 dps. In practice the difference between 30k and 30.6k, 40k and 40.8k, or 50k and 51k is negligible and non-realizable. Which is why players generally only recommend trying to gold out gear if you are pushing the top 2%.

Toc de Malsvi

More importantly the worse you already are, the less you are actually gaining by having gold gear. So telling players that are not already pushing top leaderboards to gold their gear is a huge waste of their time and money which could be better spent both enjoying the game and learning to play better.

Toc de Malsvi

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

No it really doesn't. Purple to gold is negligible for all traits

Post the differences with Infused. Stuff that changes % modifiers on armor pieces is not something to sneeze at.

So its hard to compare between different stats due to different modifiers and CP and what not, but lets start with just considering all gold Mage mundus with 7 divines versus the mage mundus with 4 divines and 3 infused, and the mage mundus with 7 infused:

7 Divines: 3092 magicka from mundus = 3092 tota mag

4 Divines + 3 Infused: 2636.4 mag from mundus + 519 mag from 3 infused mag glyphs = 3155 mag total

7 Infused: 2028 mag from mundus + 799 from 7 infused = 2827

From this we can see that 4 divines + 3 infused yields highest total but only slightly. Now lets consider the difference between purple and gold on this setup:

4 Divines + 3 Infused
Purple: 2555 from mundus + 408 = 2963
Gold: 2636.4 + 519 = 3155
Purple gear with gold enchants: 2996

192 maximum magicka gain from mundus and gear traits.

Magicka is more difficult to put a flat value of % damage gained as it depends on your rotation. However to give some perspective consider that a 1 piece bonus adds 1058 magicka. It is 18% of that one piece bonus, it is quite small albeit existent.

idk

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

No it really doesn't. Purple to gold is negligible for all traits

Post the differences with Infused. Stuff that changes % modifiers on armor pieces is not something to sneeze at.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Despite what people are telling you, it does make a difference this is indisputable. Does it make a notable difference? Yep it does, and depending on your build it could make a huge difference. First and foremost, your weapons should ALWAYS be gold, this is something everyone agrees on even if you aren't fully golding your gear. Second of all, a full purple divines gear is 6.5% increase on the mundus, that's a total of 45.5% increase. A full gold divines gear is 7.5% increase, a total of 52.5% increase. That difference may seem negligible but it's not, do you want to hit the pen cap optimally or do you want to be forced to go over/under? Third, gold gear yields more resistance and more powerful enchants, I don't have to give you math to prove this point. If you have more stamina, health, or magicka, and more resistance you 1) Stay alive easier/longer, and 2) Have more resources. And finally, the sets themselves improve based on the quality of your gear. This is why farming for gold jewelery is a thing. Taking everything into consideration, golding your gear is not just worth it it's imo required to run a top end build. Maybe you're just really good with a really good build and can pull 40k on a dummy with purple gear, great good for you, too bad not everyone is that good and their build isn't that optimal. So that gold gear, is going to help a LOT. You're less spongy, have more resources, have more powerful stat bonuses, everything is simply better and easier.

Fully golding your gear will run upward 100k gold, which is easily made by simply playing the game. I'm in the process of finishing golding my Relequen+Ravager build. I'm absolutely broke, sitting on roughly 80k right now with 2 or 3 pieces left to go. What I do is go to each trader looking for wax under 3,900g, somewhere between 3.6 - 3.9 is the only price range I'll purchase wax at. 4k or over is a rip off. I'm that guy who golds everything, I'm still sitting on fully golded sets like TBS, Nightmothersgaze, Hunding, julanios, necro, combat prayer, you name it I've golded it. That isn't always the best idea, and sure I've stupidly golded low Vet rank items back in the day. Just remember, it's worth golding your gear.

Some, like myself, have pointed out golding the weapons is important. As for the rest of what you said, I pointed out it is not needed for most of the player base.

While you have explained what it does very well, however, you have not explained why it is needed by most players, because it is not.

For most players they would gain more DPS by refining their rotation and build. Unless that interests them they have zero need or reason to gold out their gear.

Smasherx74

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Despite what people are telling you, it does make a difference this is indisputable. Does it make a notable difference? Yep it does, and depending on your build it could make a huge difference. First and foremost, your weapons should ALWAYS be gold, this is something everyone agrees on even if you aren't fully golding your gear. Second of all, a full purple divines gear is 6.5% increase on the mundus, that's a total of 45.5% increase. A full gold divines gear is 7.5% increase, a total of 52.5% increase. That difference may seem negligible but it's not, do you want to hit the pen cap optimally or do you want to be forced to go over/under? Third, gold gear yields more resistance and more powerful enchants, I don't have to give you math to prove this point. If you have more stamina, health, or magicka, and more resistance you 1) Stay alive easier/longer, and 2) Have more resources. And finally, the sets themselves improve based on the quality of your gear. This is why farming for gold jewelery is a thing. Taking everything into consideration, golding your gear is not just worth it it's imo required to run a top end build. Maybe you're just really good with a really good build and can pull 40k on a dummy with purple gear, great good for you, too bad not everyone is that good and their build isn't that optimal. So that gold gear, is going to help a LOT. You're less spongy, have more resources, have more powerful stat bonuses, everything is simply better and easier.

Fully golding your gear will run upward 100k gold, which is easily made by simply playing the game. I'm in the process of finishing golding my Relequen+Ravager build. I'm absolutely broke, sitting on roughly 80k right now with 2 or 3 pieces left to go. What I do is go to each trader looking for wax under 3,900g, somewhere between 3.6 - 3.9 is the only price range I'll purchase wax at. 4k or over is a rip off. I'm that guy who golds everything, I'm still sitting on fully golded sets like TBS, Nightmothersgaze, Hunding, julanios, necro, combat prayer, you name it I've golded it. That isn't always the best idea, and sure I've stupidly golded low Vet rank items back in the day. Just remember, it's worth golding your gear.

The resistance gain is negligible, the damage gain is essentially negligible. Stop spreading misinformation based on your feelings.

Lets assume for a moment you can pull 40k dps over a 2 min parse.

Assuming you have ZERO penetration thus gaining the most from lover mundus you would gain 0.6% damage increase from Mundus alone going from purple to gold. To continue to make the math easier lets use Spinner as our set comparison, you gain another 121 penetration, 4 spell power, and 76 max magicka going to all gold from all purple. This equates to close to a 0.4% increase, so sum total you have a 1% increase in output.

If we then allow for a second set and monster set to increase for 0.5% each going from purple to gold, they probably wont but just to be conservative. Then our new increase is 2% for all gold everything.

So we take our 40k parse and increase it by 2% and get 40.8k which seems almost like a realizable difference. That extra 0.8k over 2 minutes amounts to 96,000 total damage, which also seems to perhaps be worth it. Now lets examine an actual parse of similar scale:



Notice the difference between the avg Assassins Will and the avg crit of the same skill, note that actual criticals will vary around your critical hit percentage the longer you fight the closer it will approach a fit to your percentage. Also note the values for Impale and light attacks.

One less crit on Assassins will, Impale and one missed light attack amounts to a decrease in total damage by 50k. This takes out more than half of the gained value of ALL of your gear being gold. Crit variance and rotation performance can easily account for all advantage gained by golding out your gear.

In theory allowing for the settling of crit variance over time, you can gain between 1-2% in dps by golding out your gear. At 30k thats 600 dps gained max, 40k its 800 dps, 50k its 1000 dps. In practice the difference between 30k and 30.6k, 40k and 40.8k, or 50k and 51k is negligible and non-realizable. Which is why players generally only recommend trying to gold out gear if you are pushing the top 2%.

1) "Essentially negligible" is not a fact, it's an opinion. Therefor the information I presented was not misinformed.

2) Your opinions do not invalidate factual information which you backed up with your own evidence. Golding your build yields more DPS. What else is there to say? That it's not worth pulling whatever more % of DPS with a certain build? Again, that's your opinion and own deduction.

3) I had purple across the board with Relequen and ravager, only pulled around 30-35k alone. Golded my gear, easily pulled over 40k. This may be anecdotal and only relevant to my build, but one thing that you can't dispute is golding your gear is more preferable than not golding it. If you want to be BiS, do the most damage, optimize your build, you need to gold it.

Smasherx74

idk wrote: »

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

No it really doesn't. Purple to gold is negligible for all traits

Post the differences with Infused. Stuff that changes % modifiers on armor pieces is not something to sneeze at.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Despite what people are telling you, it does make a difference this is indisputable. Does it make a notable difference? Yep it does, and depending on your build it could make a huge difference. First and foremost, your weapons should ALWAYS be gold, this is something everyone agrees on even if you aren't fully golding your gear. Second of all, a full purple divines gear is 6.5% increase on the mundus, that's a total of 45.5% increase. A full gold divines gear is 7.5% increase, a total of 52.5% increase. That difference may seem negligible but it's not, do you want to hit the pen cap optimally or do you want to be forced to go over/under? Third, gold gear yields more resistance and more powerful enchants, I don't have to give you math to prove this point. If you have more stamina, health, or magicka, and more resistance you 1) Stay alive easier/longer, and 2) Have more resources. And finally, the sets themselves improve based on the quality of your gear. This is why farming for gold jewelery is a thing. Taking everything into consideration, golding your gear is not just worth it it's imo required to run a top end build. Maybe you're just really good with a really good build and can pull 40k on a dummy with purple gear, great good for you, too bad not everyone is that good and their build isn't that optimal. So that gold gear, is going to help a LOT. You're less spongy, have more resources, have more powerful stat bonuses, everything is simply better and easier.

Fully golding your gear will run upward 100k gold, which is easily made by simply playing the game. I'm in the process of finishing golding my Relequen+Ravager build. I'm absolutely broke, sitting on roughly 80k right now with 2 or 3 pieces left to go. What I do is go to each trader looking for wax under 3,900g, somewhere between 3.6 - 3.9 is the only price range I'll purchase wax at. 4k or over is a rip off. I'm that guy who golds everything, I'm still sitting on fully golded sets like TBS, Nightmothersgaze, Hunding, julanios, necro, combat prayer, you name it I've golded it. That isn't always the best idea, and sure I've stupidly golded low Vet rank items back in the day. Just remember, it's worth golding your gear.

Some, like myself, have pointed out golding the weapons is important. As for the rest of what you said, I pointed out it is not needed for most of the player base.

While you have explained what it does very well, however, you have not explained why it is needed by most players, because it is not.

For most players they would gain more DPS by refining their rotation and build. Unless that interests them they have zero need or reason to gold out their gear.

I did explain why it's useful (nothing is required), a less experienced player, someone with a non-static rotation, someone who's not as fast as others, having that extra bit of stamina, and stat bonuses can make a big difference for them. It's a benefit that anyone especially a lower end player should take advantage of. Like I said, you can get the gold to start golding your gear relatively fast and easy. At most it'll take a week or two of just playing the game and doing your dailies to get the gold up.

AdicusDio

Leaving everything purple (either out of laziness, no mats/poor, etc.) just handicaps your build slightly. Sometimes that extra tiny bit you get from gold is the difference between a wipe, death while trying to rez, or beating down a boss while last man standing. Pointless question while you have a stock pile of mats is kinda irritating. Gold your gear and you'll see what, if any difference your particular build might see. Unless someone is running the exact same 100% setup as you (including cp allocation, not just copy paste sets people think are "bis"), no one here can answer your question for you.

Toc de Malsvi

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Despite what people are telling you, it does make a difference this is indisputable. Does it make a notable difference? Yep it does, and depending on your build it could make a huge difference. First and foremost, your weapons should ALWAYS be gold, this is something everyone agrees on even if you aren't fully golding your gear. Second of all, a full purple divines gear is 6.5% increase on the mundus, that's a total of 45.5% increase. A full gold divines gear is 7.5% increase, a total of 52.5% increase. That difference may seem negligible but it's not, do you want to hit the pen cap optimally or do you want to be forced to go over/under? Third, gold gear yields more resistance and more powerful enchants, I don't have to give you math to prove this point. If you have more stamina, health, or magicka, and more resistance you 1) Stay alive easier/longer, and 2) Have more resources. And finally, the sets themselves improve based on the quality of your gear. This is why farming for gold jewelery is a thing. Taking everything into consideration, golding your gear is not just worth it it's imo required to run a top end build. Maybe you're just really good with a really good build and can pull 40k on a dummy with purple gear, great good for you, too bad not everyone is that good and their build isn't that optimal. So that gold gear, is going to help a LOT. You're less spongy, have more resources, have more powerful stat bonuses, everything is simply better and easier.

Fully golding your gear will run upward 100k gold, which is easily made by simply playing the game. I'm in the process of finishing golding my Relequen+Ravager build. I'm absolutely broke, sitting on roughly 80k right now with 2 or 3 pieces left to go. What I do is go to each trader looking for wax under 3,900g, somewhere between 3.6 - 3.9 is the only price range I'll purchase wax at. 4k or over is a rip off. I'm that guy who golds everything, I'm still sitting on fully golded sets like TBS, Nightmothersgaze, Hunding, julanios, necro, combat prayer, you name it I've golded it. That isn't always the best idea, and sure I've stupidly golded low Vet rank items back in the day. Just remember, it's worth golding your gear.

The resistance gain is negligible, the damage gain is essentially negligible. Stop spreading misinformation based on your feelings.

Lets assume for a moment you can pull 40k dps over a 2 min parse.

Assuming you have ZERO penetration thus gaining the most from lover mundus you would gain 0.6% damage increase from Mundus alone going from purple to gold. To continue to make the math easier lets use Spinner as our set comparison, you gain another 121 penetration, 4 spell power, and 76 max magicka going to all gold from all purple. This equates to close to a 0.4% increase, so sum total you have a 1% increase in output.

If we then allow for a second set and monster set to increase for 0.5% each going from purple to gold, they probably wont but just to be conservative. Then our new increase is 2% for all gold everything.

So we take our 40k parse and increase it by 2% and get 40.8k which seems almost like a realizable difference. That extra 0.8k over 2 minutes amounts to 96,000 total damage, which also seems to perhaps be worth it. Now lets examine an actual parse of similar scale:



Notice the difference between the avg Assassins Will and the avg crit of the same skill, note that actual criticals will vary around your critical hit percentage the longer you fight the closer it will approach a fit to your percentage. Also note the values for Impale and light attacks.

One less crit on Assassins will, Impale and one missed light attack amounts to a decrease in total damage by 50k. This takes out more than half of the gained value of ALL of your gear being gold. Crit variance and rotation performance can easily account for all advantage gained by golding out your gear.

In theory allowing for the settling of crit variance over time, you can gain between 1-2% in dps by golding out your gear. At 30k thats 600 dps gained max, 40k its 800 dps, 50k its 1000 dps. In practice the difference between 30k and 30.6k, 40k and 40.8k, or 50k and 51k is negligible and non-realizable. Which is why players generally only recommend trying to gold out gear if you are pushing the top 2%.

1) "Essentially negligible" is not a fact, it's an opinion. Therefor the information I presented was not misinformed.

2) Your opinions do not invalidate factual information which you backed up with your own evidence. Golding your build yields more DPS. What else is there to say? That it's not worth pulling whatever more % of DPS with a certain build? Again, that's your opinion and own deduction.

3) I had purple across the board with Relequen and ravager, only pulled around 30-35k alone. Golded my gear, easily pulled over 40k. This may be anecdotal and only relevant to my build, but one thing that you can't dispute is golding your gear is more preferable than not golding it. If you want to be BiS, do the most damage, optimize your build, you need to gold it.

You literally cannot have gained a 15-30% increase in dps on a 30k-35k parse from golding your gear, it is truly mathematically impossible. The fact that you think you did is a testament to both your mathematical illiteracy as well as your blatant ignorance of game mechanics. Your statements are misinformation precisely as you attempt to direct people to believe that some fantastical element is going to turn 192 penetration, 17 weapon/spell damage, or 142 mag/stam into some huge increase. You could take all three of those including the miniscule stat increase from purple to gold set bonuses and you would not come up with that increase you describe.

Toc de Malsvi

Smasherx74 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

No it really doesn't. Purple to gold is negligible for all traits

Post the differences with Infused. Stuff that changes % modifiers on armor pieces is not something to sneeze at.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Despite what people are telling you, it does make a difference this is indisputable. Does it make a notable difference? Yep it does, and depending on your build it could make a huge difference. First and foremost, your weapons should ALWAYS be gold, this is something everyone agrees on even if you aren't fully golding your gear. Second of all, a full purple divines gear is 6.5% increase on the mundus, that's a total of 45.5% increase. A full gold divines gear is 7.5% increase, a total of 52.5% increase. That difference may seem negligible but it's not, do you want to hit the pen cap optimally or do you want to be forced to go over/under? Third, gold gear yields more resistance and more powerful enchants, I don't have to give you math to prove this point. If you have more stamina, health, or magicka, and more resistance you 1) Stay alive easier/longer, and 2) Have more resources. And finally, the sets themselves improve based on the quality of your gear. This is why farming for gold jewelery is a thing. Taking everything into consideration, golding your gear is not just worth it it's imo required to run a top end build. Maybe you're just really good with a really good build and can pull 40k on a dummy with purple gear, great good for you, too bad not everyone is that good and their build isn't that optimal. So that gold gear, is going to help a LOT. You're less spongy, have more resources, have more powerful stat bonuses, everything is simply better and easier.

Fully golding your gear will run upward 100k gold, which is easily made by simply playing the game. I'm in the process of finishing golding my Relequen+Ravager build. I'm absolutely broke, sitting on roughly 80k right now with 2 or 3 pieces left to go. What I do is go to each trader looking for wax under 3,900g, somewhere between 3.6 - 3.9 is the only price range I'll purchase wax at. 4k or over is a rip off. I'm that guy who golds everything, I'm still sitting on fully golded sets like TBS, Nightmothersgaze, Hunding, julanios, necro, combat prayer, you name it I've golded it. That isn't always the best idea, and sure I've stupidly golded low Vet rank items back in the day. Just remember, it's worth golding your gear.

Some, like myself, have pointed out golding the weapons is important. As for the rest of what you said, I pointed out it is not needed for most of the player base.

While you have explained what it does very well, however, you have not explained why it is needed by most players, because it is not.

For most players they would gain more DPS by refining their rotation and build. Unless that interests them they have zero need or reason to gold out their gear.

I did explain why it's useful (nothing is required), a less experienced player, someone with a non-static rotation, someone who's not as fast as others, having that extra bit of stamina, and stat bonuses can make a big difference for them. It's a benefit that anyone especially a lower end player should take advantage of. Like I said, you can get the gold to start golding your gear relatively fast and easy. At most it'll take a week or two of just playing the game and doing your dailies to get the gold up.

Which is again pure BS misinformation. 142 odd stam/Mag cannot cast a single skill that has a stam/mag requirement. Being a "less experienced player, someone with a non-static rotation" means that the small mathematical significance they would gain from their gear being gold is worthless because they will miss light attacks, have poor uptime on dots, forget skills, position themselves poorely and be unable to attack or die trying.

If they were consistently bad then you could at least market a pathetic <600 dps gain, however their lack of consistency will erase any meaningful value from having gold gear. Their statistical average will be all over the place to the point it lacks meaning.

To make matters worse ZOS truncates, which means that often that extra 1 damage on your light attack that you paid oh so much gold to have will disappear into thin air because it was cut off the end early in the calculations for being outside their range of significance.

Toc de Malsvi

Assuming you have a consistent average on a consistent rotation you can see how it plays out to be negligible. Consider a player who parses between 30k and 35k consistently, averaging around 32.5k dps. Now apply the golded effect and increase all values by 2%, this would raise their average parse to 30.6k and 35.7k. Yay we have an increase!!!!

Except that the values from 30.6k through 35k all fall within their original spread of values. Which means the only parses where the increase is realizable are those above 35k. Any parse 35k and below, which assuming an even distribution is 87% of the parses, will appear to be NO different than their original parse. Which is why it is ESSENTIALLY NEGLIGIBLE, even if you are consistent you will not be able to consistently distinguish the gain from gold gear.

No matter which stat is being increased, no matter the CP, you are not gaining significant stat value. Yes racial, class, guild, and weapon passives influence the value of the gained stats. But non of those passives no matter how stacked up is giving you 100% more than what you started with. You CANNOT apply passives to turn 142 mag/stam into 300+ mag/stam, same goes for weapon/spell damage. No we don't know the exact increase in stats each setup is getting but its not going to be much greater than 1% to your overall damage.

These stats directly influence your skill damage, 17 weapon/spell damage does not turn Snipe into God Mode.

Troneon

For solo content nothing.

For 4 player content. Quite a difference but not much of one.

12 player content. Massive difference.

Ender1310

I've finally farmed found a build I like, I'm gonna gold it all for that reason. Wouldn't it add up to more of an increase percentage wise when paired with group buffs?