Has anyone tried heavy stam nightblade in PvP?

KingLogix

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Sparr0w

Yes, just watch GilliamTheRogue's vid on YT, sure it's BGs but you'll get the idea.

I run Shackle/Spriggans so I have some regen on both stam & mag. 7th is great for raw damage if you'd prefer.

EDIT: I think there's a build on transcendgaming.co for this too.

Lieblingsjunge

Heavy stamblade's decent. BUT there is one thing you're giving up in comparison to Medium armour:
Mobility. Shuffle is rly helpful to get away, cheaper roll-dodge etc. If you can, however, live with that, you should do much better on a heavy stamblade.

The build you listed if fairly common anyway. Although I'm not sure if 7th is needed if you have Troll King. Ravager set gives you an additional dmg-set, though. Since you won't be using cloak anyway, up-front bruiser is what you'll be going for I'm guessing.

KingLogix

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Heavy stamblade's decent. BUT there is one thing you're giving up in comparison to Medium armour:
Mobility. Shuffle is rly helpful to get away, cheaper roll-dodge etc. If you can, however, live with that, you should do much better on a heavy stamblade.

The build you listed if fairly common anyway. Although I'm not sure if 7th is needed if you have Troll King. Ravager set gives you an additional dmg-set, though. Since you won't be using cloak anyway, up-front bruiser is what you'll be going for I'm guessing.

I am hoping to play it similar to my other heavy armor classes. lots of smart timed blocking, and a more bruit playstyle. between Heavy / TK / mirage or Blur / shade / Linger speed pots / Lots of heavy attacking, I am hoping to have a play style that wont require for a huge need in roll dodging. Forward momentum being 8 seconds, right? Should make snare removal cheaper as well. My reason of running 7th is that the health regen will compliment TK, and that it should proc more often since I wont be using cloak. Thank you for the response! Please poke some holes and ask away questions and or add suggestions

worsttankever

Stack as many Shadow skills on your bar as you can for high health (3% per), plus Orc. I went with Orzaga gold food to take advantage of Nightblade regen passives, heavy armor and Orc regen, and high base health to multiply.

My build in nonvet pvp uses crafted sets and is Willow’s Path on Defense bar (Bow) to add base regen and further sustain multiplier. Night’s Silence on attack bar (Sword and Shield) so that I can stealth to quickly reposition while brawling, and Surprise attack stun/offbalance on cc cooldown. Warrior Mundus.

Bobleeswaggen

@KingLogix My brother and I have been theorycrafting a heavy stamblade with armor of truth as the centerpiece for battlegrounds. Cloak + surprise attack means basically 100% uptime. Trying to find the right balance of sets to pair it with right now, though something I've been mulling over is willows path with troll king. That way the additional recovery for all 3 resource pools goes to good use. Keep in mind that especially in no - cp battlegrounds your health needs to be at a decent level for troll king to be at its best, otherwise by the time it procs it might be too late. (edit: didn't see the guy above mention willows path until after my post but I agree with the logic to it on a HA stamblade).

I am currently using clever alchemist, bloodspawn and spriggans or bone pirate with success, allows for really good burst and the extra health pairs well with nightblade passives if you setup your bar right. I haven't tried it but saw a video floating around awhile back where a guy used one peice infused jewelry with the potion cooldown enchant. If you think your build can afford it, using that really helps your clever alchemist uptime, though I haven't tried it yet myself. One thing is on the spriggans version, sustain can be tricky but I've managed with good heavy attack rotation.

Personally, I like the bruiser playstyle more than the glass cannon I used to have on my stamblade. Makes it easier to context switch between my heavy armor sDk and stamsorc to this guy. I race changed from khajiit to nord and my brother is an imperial. Imperial/Orc might be a bit better for it overall and of course can never go wrong with a redguard, but I don't think the traditional stamblade races khajiit/woodelf really work for a HA setup.

Here is a pic of the last game I played on him last night, sorry for it being blurry, and don't let the lowish kill count fool you, this game was over in just a few minutes:



I know you're xbox NA too, come join us in a bg sometime!

Bobleeswaggen

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

The comment I will make about dropping cloak is I tried it and survivability took a dip for sure. Can't underestimate those guaranteed vigor crits while in stealth!

worsttankever

Bobleeswaggen wrote: »

The comment I will make about dropping cloak is I tried it and survivability took a dip for sure. Can't underestimate those guaranteed vigor crits while in stealth!

I haven’t played my StamBlade since Summerset, but I thought they made it so Vigor no longer crits while cloaked.

KingJ

worsttankever wrote: »

Bobleeswaggen wrote: »

The comment I will make about dropping cloak is I tried it and survivability took a dip for sure. Can't underestimate those guaranteed vigor crits while in stealth!

I haven’t played my StamBlade since Summerset, but I thought they made it so Vigor no longer crits while cloaked.

You can no longer force crit heals with cloak.

Bobleeswaggen

KingJ wrote: »

worsttankever wrote: »

Bobleeswaggen wrote: »

The comment I will make about dropping cloak is I tried it and survivability took a dip for sure. Can't underestimate those guaranteed vigor crits while in stealth!

I haven’t played my StamBlade since Summerset, but I thought they made it so Vigor no longer crits while cloaked.

You can no longer force crit heals with cloak.

Thanks for the heads up!

Aztlan

The keys to mobility as a heavy stamblade are Forward Momentum, Ambush, and immovable pots and potions. Works great. No need for Shuffle.

DemonDruaga

It's killer.
I don't use mine often and don't have the expirience needed to advice others. But just running troll, shackle, agility, asylum 2h axe +master dual wield wrecks like 95% of my cyro encounters in no cp. And i'm really a nightblade noob in pvp :'D

lazerlaz

Have you been living under a rock?! Heavy stamblade pvp on console is considered meta by many!

Lexxypwns

Heavy is the Stamblade meta, imo. You have superior mobility because of Forward Momentum. Similar healing despite losing the rally burst heal. Better sustain, which lets you build more damage.

Truth+Sload+Troll+Master’s DW in 5 heavy is insane right now.

The issue is that you can’t really play a heavy Stamblade in the run and hide garbage style that most Stamblade prefer to play.Instead you have an actual challenge but one that has a higher top end performance

Gulkrim-mur

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

Lexxypwns

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

@DrInsanity666 You should try out Truth. You can back bar it and ensure it’s always active when you start your offense. Since it’s a back bar set you can also fit Asylum 2h/Master’s DW

_Salty_

I run heavy stamblade. Sword amd board and 2H. I wear innate axiom with shackle breaker and troll king all tri stats glyphs including jewelery. Serpent mundus. The new dark cloak heal with vigor troll king and lingering health pots keeps you tanky amd allows you to run forward momentum. Axiom gives lots of damage, only Vigor doesnt scale with it. The rest are class skills.

LegendaryMage

Lexxypwns wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

@DrInsanity666 You should try out Truth. You can back bar it and ensure it’s always active when you start your offense. Since it’s a back bar set you can also fit Asylum 2h/Master’s DW

Truth is good indeed, I really like that set and how easy it is to proc it. However, it's one of those sets that look good on paper but is not 'that' great in practice. I've tested it against ravager and even 7th and it doesn't perform any better in a 1v1.

The only time I can see truth being better than ravager is when you're strictly outnumbered and you need weapon damage without attacking OR getting hit (7th). I just wish the bonus was higher, 450 (I think) is just not that great. Even 7th gives more and is very easy to proc when outnumbered (plus a little heal).

If you're on the offensive, ravager is by far the best one. On the other side of the spectrum is Fury when you're getting hit a lot. A lot of players don't understand how this set works, you can have a constant 750 wpn dmg bonus from Fury at all times.

Metemsycosis

Seventh, impreg, troll king/bloodspawn. Brutal.

Nicko_Lps

The most dangerous stamblade is the one that almost 1shots my hardened ward with a LA-surprise attack(almost 10k), dont think you can do that without medium armor to be honest, plus running heavy without suffle is kinda same and maybe alot worst than running medium+mobility+suffle.

Just saying ^^

Gulkrim-mur

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

The most dangerous stamblade is the one that almost 1shots my hardened ward with a LA-surprise attack(almost 10k), dont think you can do that without medium armor to be honest, plus running heavy without suffle is kinda same and maybe alot worst than running medium+mobility+suffle.

Just saying ^^

Can be. But toward over momentum cloak heal cloak pip out full hp orc 5 hvy

Lexxypwns

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

@DrInsanity666 You should try out Truth. You can back bar it and ensure it’s always active when you start your offense. Since it’s a back bar set you can also fit Asylum 2h/Master’s DW

Truth is good indeed, I really like that set and how easy it is to proc it. However, it's one of those sets that look good on paper but is not 'that' great in practice. I've tested it against ravager and even 7th and it doesn't perform any better in a 1v1.

The only time I can see truth being better than ravager is when you're strictly outnumbered and you need weapon damage without attacking OR getting hit (7th). I just wish the bonus was higher, 450 (I think) is just not that great. Even 7th gives more and is very easy to proc when outnumbered (plus a little heal).

If you're on the offensive, ravager is by far the best one. On the other side of the spectrum is Fury when you're getting hit a lot. A lot of players don't understand how this set works, you can have a constant 750 wpn dmg bonus from Fury at all times.

Here’s the deal with Ravager. It’s way more damage but you need it front bar which means you can’t have a 5pc on Body and Master’s DW/Asylum 2h. 7th needs to be on both bars which again limits options. I think both the sets you mention are better by themselves but the addition of a unique weapon shifts the equation the other way. However there’s no option on your back bar that’s really better than truth which gives you different build options

I also tend to open with an incap on targets and it’s harder to ensure the Ravager bonus will be up for every part of the combo. I think it’s just a question of preference since Truth, Ravager, and 7th all provide enough damage

LegendaryMage

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

@DrInsanity666 You should try out Truth. You can back bar it and ensure it’s always active when you start your offense. Since it’s a back bar set you can also fit Asylum 2h/Master’s DW

Truth is good indeed, I really like that set and how easy it is to proc it. However, it's one of those sets that look good on paper but is not 'that' great in practice. I've tested it against ravager and even 7th and it doesn't perform any better in a 1v1.

The only time I can see truth being better than ravager is when you're strictly outnumbered and you need weapon damage without attacking OR getting hit (7th). I just wish the bonus was higher, 450 (I think) is just not that great. Even 7th gives more and is very easy to proc when outnumbered (plus a little heal).

If you're on the offensive, ravager is by far the best one. On the other side of the spectrum is Fury when you're getting hit a lot. A lot of players don't understand how this set works, you can have a constant 750 wpn dmg bonus from Fury at all times.

Here’s the deal with Ravager. It’s way more damage but you need it front bar which means you can’t have a 5pc on Body and Master’s DW/Asylum 2h. 7th needs to be on both bars which again limits options. I think both the sets you mention are better by themselves but the addition of a unique weapon shifts the equation the other way. However there’s no option on your back bar that’s really better than truth which gives you different build options

I also tend to open with an incap on targets and it’s harder to ensure the Ravager bonus will be up for every part of the combo. I think it’s just a question of preference since Truth, Ravager, and 7th all provide enough damage

For a stamblade in heavy, I would probably just go with something more 'reliable'. Ever since weapons count as 2 slots, I prefer to use the standard 5-5-2 setup. Makes gearing up easier and more predictable.

Lichbourne90

Look up Pelican on YouTube. Hes got 2 videos of his in action plus answers build questions.

Ragnarock41

You can try this setup that I have ben experimenting on:

race : Orc
warrior mundus
dubious camoran throne (or max stam-hp food, if you feel confident in your sustain)
2x troll king
5x seventh legion on body(alternatively shacklebreaker)
5x ravager/veiled heritance/truth (3x jewelry+2 handed axe. Choose depending on which bar you want to main hand. I use 2h bar with nirn weapons so veiled/truth is my preference. But the other two sets are also just as good.)
2xmaster's dual wield.

Tri-glyphs on every big piece, 2 well-fitted and the rest impen. Weapons should be nirn on 2h, nirn/infused or nirn/precise on back bar. Don't forget the berserker glyph on your infused off hand, and also don't forget running poisons on your 2h bar. Use incap and suprise attack and also there is no shame in using mark against cloak spammers as it will make them vulnerable to your dots, they can mark you back but you will benefit more from this situation since you're gonna be a lot tougher than a typical gankblade. The weapon damage sets, berserker enchant, and nirn traits on your both bars will make sure your weapon damage is decent on both bars.

This is a setup I've been working on for a while, I've not yet completed my stamblade build, but Its very close. Take this as a base idea, this build will feel like playing a stamDk but more elusive and less tanky. The hp regen is the only way you can make up for the lack of major mending in terms of healing, but you will have cloak so its not as huge as a problem.

Lexxypwns

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

@DrInsanity666 You should try out Truth. You can back bar it and ensure it’s always active when you start your offense. Since it’s a back bar set you can also fit Asylum 2h/Master’s DW

Truth is good indeed, I really like that set and how easy it is to proc it. However, it's one of those sets that look good on paper but is not 'that' great in practice. I've tested it against ravager and even 7th and it doesn't perform any better in a 1v1.

The only time I can see truth being better than ravager is when you're strictly outnumbered and you need weapon damage without attacking OR getting hit (7th). I just wish the bonus was higher, 450 (I think) is just not that great. Even 7th gives more and is very easy to proc when outnumbered (plus a little heal).

If you're on the offensive, ravager is by far the best one. On the other side of the spectrum is Fury when you're getting hit a lot. A lot of players don't understand how this set works, you can have a constant 750 wpn dmg bonus from Fury at all times.

Here’s the deal with Ravager. It’s way more damage but you need it front bar which means you can’t have a 5pc on Body and Master’s DW/Asylum 2h. 7th needs to be on both bars which again limits options. I think both the sets you mention are better by themselves but the addition of a unique weapon shifts the equation the other way. However there’s no option on your back bar that’s really better than truth which gives you different build options

I also tend to open with an incap on targets and it’s harder to ensure the Ravager bonus will be up for every part of the combo. I think it’s just a question of preference since Truth, Ravager, and 7th all provide enough damage

For a stamblade in heavy, I would probably just go with something more 'reliable'. Ever since weapons count as 2 slots, I prefer to use the standard 5-5-2 setup. Makes gearing up easier and more predictable.

Say what you will, but 5x Truth 5x Shackle +Masters DW is a whole lot more killing power than Ravager+Shackle. The proc on Truth is much more controlled since it has a 100% chance to activate and you can ensure that it’s always up when you start your offensive window.

Aedaryl

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

@DrInsanity666 You should try out Truth. You can back bar it and ensure it’s always active when you start your offense. Since it’s a back bar set you can also fit Asylum 2h/Master’s DW

Truth is good indeed, I really like that set and how easy it is to proc it. However, it's one of those sets that look good on paper but is not 'that' great in practice. I've tested it against ravager and even 7th and it doesn't perform any better in a 1v1.

The only time I can see truth being better than ravager is when you're strictly outnumbered and you need weapon damage without attacking OR getting hit (7th). I just wish the bonus was higher, 450 (I think) is just not that great. Even 7th gives more and is very easy to proc when outnumbered (plus a little heal).

If you're on the offensive, ravager is by far the best one. On the other side of the spectrum is Fury when you're getting hit a lot. A lot of players don't understand how this set works, you can have a constant 750 wpn dmg bonus from Fury at all times.

Here’s the deal with Ravager. It’s way more damage but you need it front bar which means you can’t have a 5pc on Body and Master’s DW/Asylum 2h. 7th needs to be on both bars which again limits options. I think both the sets you mention are better by themselves but the addition of a unique weapon shifts the equation the other way. However there’s no option on your back bar that’s really better than truth which gives you different build options

I also tend to open with an incap on targets and it’s harder to ensure the Ravager bonus will be up for every part of the combo. I think it’s just a question of preference since Truth, Ravager, and 7th all provide enough damage

For a stamblade in heavy, I would probably just go with something more 'reliable'. Ever since weapons count as 2 slots, I prefer to use the standard 5-5-2 setup. Makes gearing up easier and more predictable.

Say what you will, but 5x Truth 5x Shackle +Masters DW is a whole lot more killing power than Ravager+Shackle. The proc on Truth is much more controlled since it has a 100% chance to activate and you can ensure that it’s always up when you start your offensive window.

thuth is a great set, however, it will not be as effective as before next patch.

The reason is tactician not working anymore with passive dodge, like Blur or shuffle.

You will need to dodge roll by yourself and hope the ennemy is attacking you a this time for getting the proc. It make it less reliable than before for a heavy armor class that can't dodge as much as he want.

LegendaryMage

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

@DrInsanity666 You should try out Truth. You can back bar it and ensure it’s always active when you start your offense. Since it’s a back bar set you can also fit Asylum 2h/Master’s DW

Truth is good indeed, I really like that set and how easy it is to proc it. However, it's one of those sets that look good on paper but is not 'that' great in practice. I've tested it against ravager and even 7th and it doesn't perform any better in a 1v1.

The only time I can see truth being better than ravager is when you're strictly outnumbered and you need weapon damage without attacking OR getting hit (7th). I just wish the bonus was higher, 450 (I think) is just not that great. Even 7th gives more and is very easy to proc when outnumbered (plus a little heal).

If you're on the offensive, ravager is by far the best one. On the other side of the spectrum is Fury when you're getting hit a lot. A lot of players don't understand how this set works, you can have a constant 750 wpn dmg bonus from Fury at all times.

Here’s the deal with Ravager. It’s way more damage but you need it front bar which means you can’t have a 5pc on Body and Master’s DW/Asylum 2h. 7th needs to be on both bars which again limits options. I think both the sets you mention are better by themselves but the addition of a unique weapon shifts the equation the other way. However there’s no option on your back bar that’s really better than truth which gives you different build options

I also tend to open with an incap on targets and it’s harder to ensure the Ravager bonus will be up for every part of the combo. I think it’s just a question of preference since Truth, Ravager, and 7th all provide enough damage

For a stamblade in heavy, I would probably just go with something more 'reliable'. Ever since weapons count as 2 slots, I prefer to use the standard 5-5-2 setup. Makes gearing up easier and more predictable.

Say what you will, but 5x Truth 5x Shackle +Masters DW is a whole lot more killing power than Ravager+Shackle. The proc on Truth is much more controlled since it has a 100% chance to activate and you can ensure that it’s always up when you start your offensive window.

Yeah but as Aedaryl said, tactician will be working only on dodge roll and in heavy you won't be doing it that much so it won't be as reliable as you think. Now true, you can re-trait it into a medium armor set but at that point there's better options. So if you plan on being in heavy, ravager wins. It's also considerably stronger when it does proc, all things taken into consideration (wpn dmg buffs etc).

Pijng

Uh I'd want to see some good recent thread about magnb in heavy(

rfennell_ESO

Heavy armor + waiting on your ultimate is considered "skilled".

Just run around healing yourself and ducking behind things until dawnbreaker is up and trash talk people.

Lexxypwns

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

DrInsanity666 wrote: »

KingLogix wrote: »

Has anyone tried it, and know of a decent setup? I was thinking Troll king 7th legion and Spriggans with lingering speed pots/ forward momentum/no cloak, but use shade and blur/mirage.

Drop some ideas below!

Heavy stamblades are beast. I run ravaged bone pirate and two bloodspawn. I see talk about shuffle and escape. 5hvy helps heals and I go with orc or imperial both hp stam and heal bonuses. Weave some heavies for resource pair your dubious with bone pirate

Ravager dmg is high. Nb burst is natural lot of ccs in your arsonel. I run 1 spell dmg 1 recov 1 reduct sustains just fine for me. And run mobility immovables. Max out medicinal use and 30% mobility has 100% uptime.

@DrInsanity666 You should try out Truth. You can back bar it and ensure it’s always active when you start your offense. Since it’s a back bar set you can also fit Asylum 2h/Master’s DW

Truth is good indeed, I really like that set and how easy it is to proc it. However, it's one of those sets that look good on paper but is not 'that' great in practice. I've tested it against ravager and even 7th and it doesn't perform any better in a 1v1.

The only time I can see truth being better than ravager is when you're strictly outnumbered and you need weapon damage without attacking OR getting hit (7th). I just wish the bonus was higher, 450 (I think) is just not that great. Even 7th gives more and is very easy to proc when outnumbered (plus a little heal).

If you're on the offensive, ravager is by far the best one. On the other side of the spectrum is Fury when you're getting hit a lot. A lot of players don't understand how this set works, you can have a constant 750 wpn dmg bonus from Fury at all times.

Here’s the deal with Ravager. It’s way more damage but you need it front bar which means you can’t have a 5pc on Body and Master’s DW/Asylum 2h. 7th needs to be on both bars which again limits options. I think both the sets you mention are better by themselves but the addition of a unique weapon shifts the equation the other way. However there’s no option on your back bar that’s really better than truth which gives you different build options

I also tend to open with an incap on targets and it’s harder to ensure the Ravager bonus will be up for every part of the combo. I think it’s just a question of preference since Truth, Ravager, and 7th all provide enough damage

For a stamblade in heavy, I would probably just go with something more 'reliable'. Ever since weapons count as 2 slots, I prefer to use the standard 5-5-2 setup. Makes gearing up easier and more predictable.

Say what you will, but 5x Truth 5x Shackle +Masters DW is a whole lot more killing power than Ravager+Shackle. The proc on Truth is much more controlled since it has a 100% chance to activate and you can ensure that it’s always up when you start your offensive window.

Yeah but as Aedaryl said, tactician will be working only on dodge roll and in heavy you won't be doing it that much so it won't be as reliable as you think. Now true, you can re-trait it into a medium armor set but at that point there's better options. So if you plan on being in heavy, ravager wins. It's also considerably stronger when it does proc, all things taken into consideration (wpn dmg buffs etc).

Except I literally use Truth on stam warden without any RNG dodge chance and it’s always up when I want it. I’m not speculating, I’m telling you that I currently use Truth on builds that can only proc it from Exploiter and it’s always up when I want it to be.

You can’t compare Ravager vs truth without considering the rest of the build and Ravager does not outperform Truth because Master’s DW more than makes up the difference in damage.