Stealthy Racial Passive - How good is it on a stamblade?

flyingturtles92

Hello! I've been struggling with race choice for my stamblade for the past couple of weeks, and I tried rolling a redguard stamblade. However, the thing redguard is lacking is the stealthy racial passive that Bosmer and Khajiit get. Though the weapon damage bonus may not be too great since Redguards have 10% max stam anyway (scaling up their weapon damage), how good is the detect radius reduction? I've noticed that my redguard gets noticed a whole lot, and I'm concerned that its gonna interfere with a ganking playstyle I may want to run later down the line. I'm interested in both PvE and PvP. Thanks.

Yakidafi

If you want to sneak it is very good, useless anywhere else. Can be life or death, kill or not to kill in pvp sometimes.
depend how you play.

PlagueSD

On my nightblades (I have a khajit magblade and bosmer stamblade) I can loot a lockbox standing right next to an NPC. I also use the Night Terror set as the 3pc bonus reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters and reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 26%. I'd also recommend crafting Night's Silence set as the 5pc bonus cancels the movement speed penalty of sneak.

flyingturtles92

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Protossyder

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

flyingturtles92

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Protossyder

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

flyingturtles92

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

Adrenaline rush no longer scales with max stam. It is a static 792 stam regenerated after every 5 sec, and thats only if the melee attack is timed PERFECTLY.

Protossyder

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

Adrenaline rush no longer scales with max stam. It is a static 792 stam regenerated after every 5 sec, and thats only if the melee attack is timed PERFECTLY.

Well, good to know... Then you might consider choosing the bosmer? 21% percent recovery is a big amount (even better for pvp, where you stack recovery up to 2k+), you still have some extra max stam (increased dmg and sustain) and you get the stealth passive you look so desperately for ^^

flyingturtles92

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

Adrenaline rush no longer scales with max stam. It is a static 792 stam regenerated after every 5 sec, and thats only if the melee attack is timed PERFECTLY.

Well, good to know... Then you might consider choosing the bosmer? 21% percent recovery is a big amount (even better for pvp, where you stack recovery up to 2k+), you still have some extra max stam (increased dmg and sustain) and you get the stealth passive you look so desperately for ^^

Honestly, I would choose bosmer... if they didn't look so hideous. The bosmer passives suit me perfectly, but I just can't bring myself to play one cuz they're so damn ugly. I can tolerate the males' faces, but their height, even on max, is just too short to feel intimidating. They honestly looked better in Morrowind

Protossyder

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

Adrenaline rush no longer scales with max stam. It is a static 792 stam regenerated after every 5 sec, and thats only if the melee attack is timed PERFECTLY.

Well, good to know... Then you might consider choosing the bosmer? 21% percent recovery is a big amount (even better for pvp, where you stack recovery up to 2k+), you still have some extra max stam (increased dmg and sustain) and you get the stealth passive you look so desperately for ^^

Honestly, I would choose bosmer... if they didn't look so hideous. The bosmer passives suit me perfectly, but I just can't bring myself to play one cuz they're so damn ugly. I can tolerate the males' faces, but their height, even on max, is just too short to feel intimidating. They honestly looked better in Morrowind

ye, they are pretty ugly ^^ but let me tell you smth: Redguard is definitely the choice for PvE, that's where you want to minmax (adrenaline rush really is useful and makes the difference).
In PvP there are so many other factors that can decide over success or failure besides some racial passives and i dont think you will benefit from the stealth passive as much as you think. (you will use cloak anyways)
So, Redguard > some greedy werecat

Jeremy

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Hello! I've been struggling with race choice for my stamblade for the past couple of weeks, and I tried rolling a redguard stamblade. However, the thing redguard is lacking is the stealthy racial passive that Bosmer and Khajiit get. Though the weapon damage bonus may not be too great since Redguards have 10% max stam anyway (scaling up their weapon damage), how good is the detect radius reduction? I've noticed that my redguard gets noticed a whole lot, and I'm concerned that its gonna interfere with a ganking playstyle I may want to run later down the line. I'm interested in both PvE and PvP. Thanks.

The stealth passives do make a huge difference.

However: you can wear armor sets to get them. What i do on my high elf Templar is carry around an extra set of clothes for sneaking (Night Mother and Night Terror). But if stealth is a big priority for you (and it sounds like it is) it would probably make sense to play as a race with stealth passives.

Ladislao

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

Adrenaline rush no longer scales with max stam. It is a static 792 stam regenerated after every 5 sec, and thats only if the melee attack is timed PERFECTLY.

Well, good to know...

A good example of how people advise or complain without understanding the subject.

Protossyder

Ladislao wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

Adrenaline rush no longer scales with max stam. It is a static 792 stam regenerated after every 5 sec, and thats only if the melee attack is timed PERFECTLY.

Well, good to know...

A good example of how people advise or complain without understanding the subject.

A good example of how people comment without referring to the actual subject.
I am just trying to help someone make a decision. You can't expect me to know every little detail, since I am like every other person on this planet (maybe except you) in a constant process of learning new stuff.

flyingturtles92

Protossyder wrote: »

Ladislao wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

Adrenaline rush no longer scales with max stam. It is a static 792 stam regenerated after every 5 sec, and thats only if the melee attack is timed PERFECTLY.

Well, good to know...

A good example of how people advise or complain without understanding the subject.

A good example of how people comment without referring to the actual subject.

Got'em

Septimus_Magna

Bosmer is very nice for PVP but in PVE the stam regen isnt as useful because you run low regen anyway.
Khajiit is very nice for PVE because you get more weapon crit but in PVP crits are less powerful (its still useful for heals).

If you plan on doing both PVE and PVP I would go with Khajiit, the racials are bascially suited for all play styles.

Also, with the Wolfhunter DLC coming up, Bosmer has disease resist so if you plan to go werewolf Bosmer would be the best choice. I believe the disease resist passive prevents you from getting defiled, just as Dunmers dont get the burning status effect.

Lysette

Hm, Khajiit might have the better stealth - but if your ambush fails, Redguard have much better sustain and you might be able to win nevertheless, whereas Khajiit would be in trouble.

flyingturtles92

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Bosmer is very nice for PVP but in PVE the stam regen isnt as useful because you run low regen anyway.
Khajiit is very nice for PVE because you get more weapon crit but in PVP crits are less powerful (its still useful for heals).

If you plan on doing both PVE and PVP I would go with Khajiit, the racials are bascially suited for all play styles.

Also, with the Wolfhunter DLC coming up, Bosmer has disease resist so if you plan to go werewolf Bosmer would be the best choice. I believe the disease resist passive prevents you from getting defiled, just as Dunmers dont get the burning status effect.

What's your opinion on redguard stamblades? Still able to gank?

Lysette

Lysette wrote: »

Hm, Khajiit might have the better stealth - but if your ambush fails, Redguard have much better sustain and you might be able to win nevertheless, whereas Khajiit would be in trouble.

To quote myself - I said this, because due to jewelry crafting it is harder now to do a proper gank with instant kill - people have a lot more resources and sustain than ever before.

PlagueSD

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

So basically, I'm between a khajiit and a redguard for my stamblade. I want to do both PvP and PvE, and be effective at both. Would khajiit be best, based off this information, or can redguard be just as good sneaks/gankers?

Redguards - 316 stam recov (based off adrenaline rush) and 10% max stam (meaning weapon dmg is scaled up)
Khajiits - 8% crit, 20% health recov, stealthy passive

Don't forget the last passive of the Redguard, it is more powerful than you might think. Redguard is definitely the best choice for PvE, since it has the best sustain.

I haven't, the adrenaline rush passive seriously only turns into 316 stam recovery when you do the math. Since both khajiit and redguard have passive stam recov at 10 percent, i didn't count it. Also, that 316 stam recovery is only while in combat.

Oh, overlooked that, but actually you are just calculating with about 26k stamina? That's not realistic for PvE where you should have about 34k stam, which makes the passive stronger (recovery from adrenaline rush= 400+).

Adrenaline rush no longer scales with max stam. It is a static 792 stam regenerated after every 5 sec, and thats only if the melee attack is timed PERFECTLY.

yeah, 792 stam every 5 seconds isn't really worth it to me. I have absolutely ZERO sustain issues on either of my nightblades (bosmer stamblade and khajiit magblade). TBH, I think both races outperform redguard in multiple areas. Bosmer have TWICE the stam regen and are resistant to poision/disease (A key ability in PvP as everyone uses defile/poison weapons). Khajiit have both HEALTH and Stamina recovery as well as extra weapon crit. Although weapon crit is not very useful in PvP, it's still nice for PvE. The only thing redguard bring to the table? A measly 792 stam every 5 seconds...and NO stealth bonuses, which the OP was looking for.


Redguard:

• Exhilaration (Rank 3): Increases Stamina Recovery by 9%
• Conditioning (Rank 3): Increases Max Stamina by 10%
• Adrenaline Rush (Rank 3): Your melee attacks restore 792 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds

Bosmer:

• Y'ffre's Endurance (Rank 3): Increases Stamina Recovery by 21%.
• Resist Affliction (Rank 3): Increases your Max Stamina by 6% and Poison and Disease Resistance by 1485.
• Stealthy (Rank 3): Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 3m. Increases damage done while in Stealth by 10%

Khajiit:

• Nimble (Rank 3): Increases your Health Recovery by 20% and Stamina Recovery by 10%.
• Stealthy (Rank 3): Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 3m. Increases damage done while in Stealth by 10%.
• Carnage (Rank 3): Increases Weapon Critical by 8%.

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Honestly, I would choose bosmer... if they didn't look so hideous. The bosmer passives suit me perfectly, but I just can't bring myself to play one cuz they're so damn ugly. I can tolerate the males' faces, but their height, even on max, is just too short to feel intimidating. They honestly looked better in Morrowind

Don't knock being short. I play all my "Sneaky" characters as short as possible. You're not supposed to be intimidating, you're supposed to be sneaky. If you want intimidating, go Orc or Nord. I've lost quite a few people by going under low hanging branches and bridges. Everyone else was too tall to fit and had to go around.

flyingturtles92

Don't knock being short. I play all my "Sneaky" characters as short as possible. You're not supposed to be intimidating, you're supposed to be sneaky. If you want intimidating, go Orc or Nord. I've lost quite a few people by going under low hanging branches and bridges. Everyone else was too tall to fit and had to go around.

Okay, so I have to ask: Do the blade of woe animations look *** on a bosmer? I feel like they would look really bad, and even if they don't, I'm sure it only plays the same animation since only a few would account for being short.

rfennell_ESO

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Hello! I've been struggling with race choice for my stamblade for the past couple of weeks, and I tried rolling a redguard stamblade. However, the thing redguard is lacking is the stealthy racial passive that Bosmer and Khajiit get. Though the weapon damage bonus may not be too great since Redguards have 10% max stam anyway (scaling up their weapon damage), how good is the detect radius reduction? I've noticed that my redguard gets noticed a whole lot, and I'm concerned that its gonna interfere with a ganking playstyle I may want to run later down the line. I'm interested in both PvE and PvP. Thanks.

I guess the information you are looking for is: Is the stealthy passive good?

It's a pretty good racial passive for any nightblade. It's not great or overpowered, mind you. It also applies to cloak versus detection (cloak is modified stealth for calculations in game).

It's exactly what it says it is as in the detection range calculation it's deducted from the tail end of it.

Bosmer have another stealth ability that's overlooked. The "increase damage by 10% from stealth" applies to while cloaked (as I said above, cloak is modified stealth). It's great for ganking, if that's your goal. The additional stamina regen (21%) is also pretty decent, though much more for the rollerblade style than the ganking style of play (most "gank" builds don't run much stamina regen, they go all damage).

hakan

i have dunmer and khajiit stamblades. What others didnt say anything about is, is it really matter how good is the race on pve? its already easy except some vet dlc dungeons and trials.

Bosmer overall best pvp. The stealth passive is good but not VERY good imo.

in pvp only racial passives you will notice are

-Argonian potion passive ( if you make character that benefits all 3 stats kinda brawler style)
-Maybe mDk dunmer (%7 flame sounds huge with %9 magicka)
-Orcs run faster and consume less stamina

My two cents

PlagueSD

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Don't knock being short. I play all my "Sneaky" characters as short as possible. You're not supposed to be intimidating, you're supposed to be sneaky. If you want intimidating, go Orc or Nord. I've lost quite a few people by going under low hanging branches and bridges. Everyone else was too tall to fit and had to go around.

Okay, so I have to ask: Do the blade of woe animations look *** on a bosmer? I feel like they would look really bad, and even if they don't, I'm sure it only plays the same animation since only a few would account for being short.

No they don't. My favorite animation is actually only available to short characters. You sneak up behind them, yank their feet out from under them and as they fall flat on their face, you stab them in the back.

Septimus_Magna

flyingturtles92 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Bosmer is very nice for PVP but in PVE the stam regen isnt as useful because you run low regen anyway.
Khajiit is very nice for PVE because you get more weapon crit but in PVP crits are less powerful (its still useful for heals).

If you plan on doing both PVE and PVP I would go with Khajiit, the racials are bascially suited for all play styles.

Also, with the Wolfhunter DLC coming up, Bosmer has disease resist so if you plan to go werewolf Bosmer would be the best choice. I believe the disease resist passive prevents you from getting defiled, just as Dunmers dont get the burning status effect.

What's your opinion on redguard stamblades? Still able to gank?

Redguard racials only contribute with max stamina for ganking. Its very good in longer fights because it has the best stam sustain passives.

Khajiit would be the absolute no.1 for ganking due to the stealth and crit passives.