RP/PVP Revolutionary egalitarian guild!

SrPontes

RP/PVP Revolutionary egalitarian guild!
Hello, everyone.
Im looking for people to create a RP/PVP guild that aims for a popular and egalitarian revolution in all Tamriel. The guild will have great influence from socialism, anarchism and other left ideologies, but we will accept every kind of civilized thinkings and debates. The main element in the guild will be RP, but I plan to play with the guild in Cyrodil and RP along. No one is forced to do PVP, of course. We will act from Ebonheart Pact, but players from all alliances are welcome for the RP. I intend to make the RP quite casual, we can plan longer stories, but no one will be forced to keep on track with everything to RP freely with us.

The guild´s lore and intentions:
We are a group of people that dream with a Tamriel united by the principles of equality and solidarity. We dream with a Tamriel ruled collectively by all races and all people, we wont accept the dominance and opression of one or few races over the others, as we wont accept that a few monarchs or nobles hold the power of vital decisions that should be the right of all commoners.
We saw in the Ebonheart Pact the perfect oportunity to start our movement. First, because the gonverment of the EP, the Big Moot, for the first time in all Tamriel´s history, creates a ruling council where 3 races discuss and debates with equality, all decisions must be collective. The Big Moot of the Ebonheart Pact inspires us greatly. Our goal is to expand the Big Moot, in order to add all races of Tamriel to it, with equal rights to speak, vote and decide. Second, the Ebonheart Pact is the alliance with most racial diversity, its the only alliance with Men, Mer and Beastfolk and it shows the possibility of tolerance between diferent races and cultures.
Our movement also aims for the end of the centralizer gonverments, like the monarchies. But while we openly fight for the Ebonheart Pact to overthrone the kings and queens of the Daggerfall Covenant and Aldmeri Dominion, we, at the same time, organizes clandestinely inside the EP to promote a popular rebellion against the royalty of Skyrim and the noble houses of Morrowind, in the future. We dream with the representants of the people being choosen directly by the own people and not by force or blood rigths, as it happens in smaller organizations, just as the Argonian tribe of Silent Mire, in Stonefalls.
We also are greatly inspired by the Khajit organization of the Hollow Moon, that defends that the riches must serve first for the essential needs of the people. Like them, we defend that the Estate and the economy must attend the needs of the people and that all improvement and development must aim the commom good and not the privilege of an elite.

The guild´s principles and main guidelines:
- Tolerance: All races are welcome to join us and, futurely, join the expanded Big Moot. And not just the organized races, but also Goblins, Giants, Maormer, Lamias etc, of course that the viabilty of it will be studied. In the same direction, all religions are free to be exercised.
- Equality: All members will have the same right to vote and propose action and discussions. We do not have ranks or hierarchies. All ranks achieved in Cyrodil war will mean nothing inside our movement.
- Benevolence/mercy/pacifism: Although we are fighting in a war and preparing future wars to come, we try to avoid all unnecessary violence and deaths. Thats why we are absolutely against death penalties, we dont kill any prisoners. Nor we torture. This two rules are absolute and are not open to be changed by vote. In this direction, we always try to achieve our goals with the less violent strategy, frequently supporting inner popular groups to refuse their leaders and allying with us.

The guild´s plans outside the Ebonheart Pact:
- Fight and win the war in Cyrodil, just so we can further chase our real goals.
- Prepare an invasion at Bangkorai, to attack the DC´s military forces (I have a home at Bangkorai, Mournoth Keep, furnished to be an EP base).
- Support and ally with peasant and commoner groups in the DC and AD to fight against the monarchies within.
- Negotiate and convince the tribes of The Reach to join our group and, in the future, participate in the Big Moot.

The guild´s plans inside the Ebonheart Pact:
- Press the dunmer noble houses, specially House Dres, to give an indemnity (gold and lands) to all argonians that suffered from slavery. The gold of such houses was built on the slavery, so it must be given back to the workers.
- Press the jarls of Skyrim to return, to the rightfull cultures and people, all important relics and treasures stoled during the pillages and raids, before the Pact was formed.
- Defend the right of the Ashlanders to be more respected by the Great Houses and to be more accepted as legit citizens in the Morrowind territory.
- Negotiate with the orcs of Skyrim to join our cause and advocate the right of this orcs to be seen as citizen of Skyrim and the Pact.

I think thats all, folks. Ask away, if you have doubts. Look for me (@SrPontes) if you are interested in creating this guild or if you want to give any ideas.

Dark_Claw

I have a few questions.

1. Is Daedra worship allowed? That’s a form of religion that in many cases contradicts your rules regarding pacifism.

2. How do you plan to function and grow as a guild without utilising the benefits of a capitalist economic structure? Do you intend on taking money from your wealthy, hard-working members and giving it to those who are less wealthy because they either don’t put the effort in or are careless with how they spend their gold?

3. You are aware that the various cultures you want to accept have their own hierarchies? The Khajiit, for example, have Clan Mothers and Orcs have extremely patriarchal systems. How do you plan on accepting these cultures that at the same time contradict the views of the guild?

4. If ranks mean nothing then what is the incentive to strive harder? If everyone is considered equally useful and is rewarded the same no matter how much effort they put into the guild then wouldn’t that result in severe job dissatisfaction?

5. Are you going to name this guild the Sovietheart Pact?

xylus289_ESO

"The guild´s lore and intentions:
Second, the Ebonheart Pact is the alliance with most racial diversity, its the only alliance with Men, Mer and Beastfolk and it shows the possibility of tolerance between diferent races and cultures."

Possible, but the Argonians were enslaved the Dark Elves. Lucky for the Argonians they got their freedom, BUT it doesn't necessarily put the past away. I think that a lot of Argonians might still be a bit hesitant to trust Dark Elves, let alone fight in a war along side them in battle. I'd like to see how RP is between the two races in such instances though. Seems like it would make for fun RP. xD

Im actually in search of a RP guild. Im downloading the game again after a LONG break. Excited to get back in.

SrPontes

Dark_Claw wrote: »

I have a few questions.

1. Is Daedra worship allowed? That’s a form of religion that in many cases contradicts your rules regarding pacifism.

2. How do you plan to function and grow as a guild without utilising the benefits of a capitalist economic structure? Do you intend on taking money from your wealthy, hard-working members and giving it to those who are less wealthy because they either don’t put the effort in or are careless with how they spend their gold?

3. You are aware that the various cultures you want to accept have their own hierarchies? The Khajiit, for example, have Clan Mothers and Orcs have extremely patriarchal systems. How do you plan on accepting these cultures that at the same time contradict the views of the guild?

4. If ranks mean nothing then what is the incentive to strive harder? If everyone is considered equally useful and is rewarded the same no matter how much effort they put into the guild then wouldn’t that result in severe job dissatisfaction?

5. Are you going to name this guild the Sovietheart Pact?

Thanks for the interest.
My answers:
1. Yes, Daedra worship is allowed. It is easiest to think on relatively "pacific" Daedras like Meridia, but you can worship ANY Daedra, we just wouldnt accept violence, cruelty, torture, prejudice etc. You can even worship Molag Bol and Dagon if you want, you just have to show me its possible to harmonize those prohibitions with it. If you believe such worship is intrinsically cruel and violent, then it wont be possible. But faith and religion can be a very personal and spiritual thing, I dont care about what god you pray to when you are scared in the darkness or when your beloved ones die. I care about your conduct. Just to be clear, such harmonization will have to be done even with Aedra worshipers, like Stendarr´s worshipers, as we wont accept summarilly executing some of the "four abominations".
2. I never said I plan to make the guild "grow" economically, this is not a trader´s guild, much less a company. This is a RP guild, its just a group for people to get together and play and talk. Even if it wasnt, I dont really know what you mean by "benefits of a capitalist economic structure" inside ESO. We cant have industries and farms with mass productions, we cant organize the productions between owners of the means of production and workers etc. At ESO, we kill monsters, get gold, craft stuff ourselves and sell itens, its a simple (except for the monster part, hehe) trading system like the ones in societies much older than capitalism, like in ancient Rome, feudalism etc. We are all the same there, fighters/hunters/artisans. I cant take gold from the members, Im not a GM. But I surely plan to help the ones who "need", with my own gold and effort, no matter if they are careless, lazy, stupid, greedy etc. But, no one starve or suffer under inhuman condition at ESO, so the "need" part is veeery subjective, hehe.
3. I am aware. I plan to convince them to abandom this part of their cultures or maybe just modify it in order to transform the "matriarchs" and "patriarchs" into only symbolic roles, for example. Their cultures, as all cultures, are vast and rich, so I plan to focus on the points that we share. If they dont accept to abandon the traditional hierarchies of their cultures, they wont join. And we will accept only the individuals of that culture or race who agree with our vision.
4. I dont expect no one to "strive", much less "strive hard" in the guild. I repeat, its a RP guild, a place for people to get together, play and talk. Of course some people may put less thinking and effort at the RP and make it boring or annoying. The other people will naturally stop to RP with that people. Its not about incentive, its basic socialization. On the other hand, if you make great efforts and create an incredible RP experience, the reward will be the RP experience itself.
5. Im still thinking on the name, I will try to decide with all members. Sovietheart seens to escape too much from the ESO lore, hehe.

SrPontes

xylus289_ESO wrote: »

"The guild´s lore and intentions:
Second, the Ebonheart Pact is the alliance with most racial diversity, its the only alliance with Men, Mer and Beastfolk and it shows the possibility of tolerance between diferent races and cultures."

Possible, but the Argonians were enslaved the Dark Elves. Lucky for the Argonians they got their freedom, BUT it doesn't necessarily put the past away. I think that a lot of Argonians might still be a bit hesitant to trust Dark Elves, let alone fight in a war along side them in battle. I'd like to see how RP is between the two races in such instances though. Seems like it would make for fun RP. xD

Im actually in search of a RP guild. Im downloading the game again after a LONG break. Excited to get back in.

I totally agree with you. In fact, its weird and curious to think how the Argonians "joined" the Pact. They left Black Marsh and went to Morrowid to defeat the Akaviri. I mean, they could have left the Akaviri kill the dunmer and join the fight only when they were directly threated. But no, they went and "helped" their historically slavers.
I understand the distrust and the attitude of not forgetting the cruel past of the Dunmer. I not only understand, I agree with it! Thats why one of our goals is to make the noble houses ofthe Dunmer to give the riches they got through ages of slavery back to the Argonians. The Dunmer must compensate the Argonians for all the slavery and suffering, with indemnity of gold and lands! Such heinous past cant be simply forgotten, because it can be repeated. We must avoid it!
But I would be strongly against physical revenges. We could think of some measures to resocializate the Dunmer who commited cruel crimes against Argonian slaves. Dignified imprisonment and reeducation...if there is such thing...
Just so you know, in RP, Im a nord that was born and raised at Shadowfen. So, I like many aspects of the Argonians history and culture.
Good return to the game. If you feel like, please be part of the guild. Send me a mail, to @SrPontes, if you want.

Dark_Claw

1. Sounds good to me.

2. I mentioned economics only because you did (Hollow Moon, Argonian reparations), and I was intrigued as to how your utopia would sustain itself outside of extortion of the rich (not that I have a problem with taxing the Dunmer Great Houses since they were directly responsible for the plight of the Argonians, though I personally find the Hollow Moon reprehensible). Obviously I am speaking from a roleplay perspective rather than gameplay as ESO’s capitalist trading system, though considerably more basic than IRL, is pretty much unavoidable.

3. Again, sounds good to me.

4. Fair enough, but from a roleplay perspective don’t you think that not expecting people to participate within the guild will be counterintuitive if you plan on becoming a prominent regime? Especially if they’re given free access to the guild’s services while offering nothing in return.

5. How about the Democratic People’s Republic of Tamriel?

SrPontes

Dark_Claw wrote: »

1. Sounds good to me.

2. I mentioned economics only because you did (Hollow Moon, Argonian reparations), and I was intrigued as to how your utopia would sustain itself outside of extortion of the rich (not that I have a problem with taxing the Dunmer Great Houses since they were directly responsible for the plight of the Argonians, though I personally find the Hollow Moon reprehensible). Obviously I am speaking from a roleplay perspective rather than gameplay as ESO’s capitalist trading system, though considerably more basic than IRL, is pretty much unavoidable.

3. Again, sounds good to me.

4. Fair enough, but from a roleplay perspective don’t you think that not expecting people to participate within the guild will be counterintuitive if you plan on becoming a prominent regime? Especially if they’re given free access to the guild’s services while offering nothing in return.

5. How about the Democratic People’s Republic of Tamriel?

I see. I misunderstood some of your questions. I will try to clarify the unclear topics.
2. From the RP and lore perspective, our revolutionary group will have some sources o funds. Our main source is the own Ebonheart Pact. We would be a cell of the Ebonheart Pact´s army that has some independency to act as we will. Inside the Pact´s army I achieved the rank of Brigadier (thanks to the pvp at Cyrodil. I plan to use those ranks for the RP inside the Pact, but the rank will mean nothing inside the guild), so I will say the Pact gave me liberty to promote some actions without the need of constant supervision and authorization. This contributes to our clandestine actions. So, our funds come mainly from EP´s financing. We also receive funds from individuals and specially villages and small towns that support our goals. Villages unhappy with their governors and that share our popular point of view. And also the members are welcome to contribute with their own funds, through their professions outside the guild.
4. From the RP and lore perspective, we look for people that want to seek our goal in a selfless and altruist way. We wont provide many services to members, as we are organized to serve the cause and not to get personal gain. The guild is not an organization that provides the expectation of profit or income. So we rely on the determination, discipline and conviction of the members to achieve success. We may fail. But we wont build our utopic solidary world through an army of mercenaries or on the promise of personal glory or enrichment. Our cause, the good of the people, is more important than our personal glory. The members must understand it and ignore ranks or medals. But of course it is totally normal to be proud of your service and succes on the struggle to achieve our goal. The commom good, the good of the people and the aproximation of our ultimate goal should be enough reward.
5. Its a good name. But I have heared people complaining that the ideas of democracy and republic dont exist in the ESO lore, thats why I try to justify them through the Big Moot or Silent Mire. But that name summarizes well some of our most important ideals, hehe. I have thought of something like Tamriel´s People Egalitarian Movement or something like this. I will try to decide with everyone.