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So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
2. Rune cage - "it will be more telegraphed to help players counterreact", excuse me? That broken crap can halt you mid dodge roll and goes true block, so only difference will be that now player will have a second to think "oho, rune cage coming, im fked". Still stays insanely op broken 5 seconds, instant, huge range, undefendable in any way, still no fix to breaking it.
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@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert
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Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on July 21, 2018 12:46PM 1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
2. Rune cage - "it will be more telegraphed to help players counterreact", excuse me? That broken crap can halt you mid dodge roll and goes true block, so only difference will be that now player will have a second to think "oho, rune cage coming, im fked". Still stays insanely op broken 5 seconds, instant, huge range, undefendable in any way, still no fix to breaking it.
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@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Ahhh, almost forgot, another brilliant change
4. Incap strike - stun removed from 70 ulti cost, gains stun on 120 ulti. As much as idea of ulti levels is good, this one is utter crap. Every stam user and their mothers will take Dawnbreaker - high damage, dot, stun, *** AOE on all that!!! Undefendable. If thats not enough new influx of Werewolves after patch will make it even better choice. Theres absolutelly no point of using Incap over Dawnbreaker.Edited by Gravord on July 21, 2018 12:09AM18 -
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✭✭✭Ahhh, almost forgot, another brilliant change
4. Incap strike - stun removed from 70 ulti cost, gains stun on 120 ulti. As much as idea of ulti levels is good, this one is utter crap. Eeery stam user and their mothers will take Dawnbreaker - high damage, dot, stun, *** AOE on all that!!! Undefendable. If thats not enough new influx of Wereweolves after patch will make it even better choice. Theres absolutelly no point of using Incap over Dawnbreaker.
To point 1. It actually sounds kind like the Skeever poison animation. It doesn't sound terrible. Stacking kind of sucks.
To point 2. Yeah that's weak.
To point 4. Incap still provides Major Defile, a 20% increase in ALL damage for next 5 seconds after, and you would now have at least a choice to make.
Nothing is set in stone so there's that at least.12 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Ahhh, almost forgot, another brilliant change
4. Incap strike - stun removed from 70 ulti cost, gains stun on 120 ulti. As much as idea of ulti levels is good, this one is utter crap. Eeery stam user and their mothers will take Dawnbreaker - high damage, dot, stun, *** AOE on all that!!! Undefendable. If thats not enough new influx of Wereweolves after patch will make it even better choice. Theres absolutelly no point of using Incap over Dawnbreaker.
To point 1. It actually sounds kind like the Skeever poison animation. It doesn't sound terrible. Stacking kind of sucks.
To point 2. Yeah that's weak.
To point 4. Incap still provides Major Defile, a 20% increase in ALL damage for next 5 seconds after, and you would now have at least a choice to make.
Nothing is set in stone so there's that at least.
1. Melee users will have it projected directly into your face, still no counterplay. Range ones usually have a lot of bonus rune cages/fire staffs kds to pair it up with and you will take it regardless.
4. Lets be honest, if you are hit with Dawnbreaker attacker dont need dmg boost or defile (which he might have anyway from different sources), you are most likely about to die. Especially that any ppl that could be around to help you are also stunned and take same dmg from Dawnbreaker as you. On top of that attacker gets 5% weap dmg from Dawnbreaker too.
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so stamdk in heavy will continue to suffer the sload and runecage
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »so stamdk in heavy will continue to suffer the sload and runecage
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And plenty other class/builds.Lol can I download this? Need to watch on my flight
Twitch linkGlorphNoldorin wrote: »I am speechless, do they even play their game?
Doubtfull they pvp, 1 day in Cyro/bg would reveal to them all these broken things.
Edited by Gravord on July 20, 2018 11:37PM16 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Vanthras79✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.
*plays worlds smallest violin*Norion Germain - Telvanni Wizard, Covenant Battle Mage, Mage's Guild Magister, Resident of Daggerfall Overlook, Lord of Tel Galen, Psijic Monk, Antiquarian, Breton Scholar, and Traveler.31 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GlorphNoldorin wrote: »I am speechless, do they even play their game?
Yes they do. As Sorcs. Wearing Sload and Zaan. They are blind to all other classes and builds.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche16 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭GlorphNoldorin wrote: »I am speechless, do they even play their game?
Yes they do. As Sorcs. Wearing Sload and Zaan. They are blind to all other classes and builds.
Zaan on rune Cage that doesnt let you break on full stam, ohhh, that peak of balance and counterplay options
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✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.
I find this annoying. A big thing they could do to procs to provide some risk would be a chance to eat your own cheese10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't know why the notion that unmitigatable damage from possibly multiple enemies is spectacularly stupid constantly escapes them. At least put purge on more class skills or reduce the cost from the Support line.13 -
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✭✭Ahhh, almost forgot, another brilliant change
4. Incap strike - stun removed from 70 ulti cost, gains stun on 120 ulti. As much as idea of ulti levels is good, this one is utter crap. Eeery stam user and their mothers will take Dawnbreaker - high damage, dot, stun, *** AOE on all that!!! Undefendable. If thats not enough new influx of Werewolves after patch will make it even better choice. Theres absolutelly no point of using Incap over Dawnbreaker.
I disagree with you. Incap is OP AF. Always has been but i guess zos doesn't realize. Prob because they dont play competitively.
But this is so dumb. They really hate to touch certain things in this game. It was apparently too much to remove the stun if the player has less health. No. If what you're saying is true then the nb can still get the stun for more ult cost? stupid. WHY GIVE THEM SO MANY OPTIONS?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_WrobelEdited by eso_lags on July 20, 2018 11:51PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GlorphNoldorin wrote: »I am speechless, do they even play their game?
Not in any meaningful way where PvP is concerned.5 -
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✭✭✭Vanthras79 wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.
*plays worlds smallest violin*
Yeah. Cute. The changes that they've mentioned (dodging sloads & dodging rune cage) only really benefits perma-dodge builds (who also happen to be the OP stamblades). So these changes don't benefit mag builds nearly as much.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Ahhh, almost forgot, another brilliant change
4. Incap strike - stun removed from 70 ulti cost, gains stun on 120 ulti. As much as idea of ulti levels is good, this one is utter crap. Eeery stam user and their mothers will take Dawnbreaker - high damage, dot, stun, *** AOE on all that!!! Undefendable. If thats not enough new influx of Werewolves after patch will make it even better choice. Theres absolutelly no point of using Incap over Dawnbreaker.
I disagree with you. Incap is OP AF. Always has been but i guess zos doesn't realize. Prob because they dont play competitively.
But this is so dumb. They really hate to touch certain things in this game. It was apparently too much to remove the stun if the player has less health. No. If what you're saying is true then the nb can still get the stun for more ult cost? stupid. WHY GIVE THEM SO MANY OPTIONS?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel
I never said Incap is not too strong for its cost mate. My only statement was that with incoming changes theres not a single valid reason to go Incap over Dawnbreaker as every other stam does already with exception of few dks who like to see their dragon wings on Leaps.
Edit: As for stun if enemy have higher health only, it was easily avoided by Nb's by simple fact they have different health value between the bars, main bar is buffed from passive line by 3% per skill, which allowed "smart" nbs to simply bar swap just before hiting incap and still get the stun as being not on 100% health. So idea of the change to require more ulti aint bad itself, but comparision to Dawnbreaker makes it useless.Edited by Gravord on July 21, 2018 12:03AM0 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Vanthras79 wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.
*plays worlds smallest violin*
Yeah. Cute. The changes that they've mentioned (dodging sloads & dodging rune cage) only really benefits perma-dodge builds (who also happen to be the OP stamblades). So these changes don't benefit mag builds nearly as much.
There was not a single word from Wrobel that rune cage will be actually dodgeable. Only words were it will be better telegraphed its coming. If it is as he said to the letter its still cant be dodged and kills everything same as now.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Vanthras79 wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.
*plays worlds smallest violin*
Yeah. Cute. The changes that they've mentioned (dodging sloads & dodging rune cage) only really benefits perma-dodge builds (who also happen to be the OP stamblades). So these changes don't benefit mag builds nearly as much.
There was not a single word from Wrobel that rune cage will be actually dodgeable. Only words were it will be better telegraphed its coming. If it is as he said to the letter its still cant be dodged and kills everything same as now.
A telegraph of something that can't be dodged or blocked and seems to ignore CC immunity seems about what I'd expect.13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sloads needs to not stack or at the very least can only be procable with direct damageEdited by Aliyavana on July 21, 2018 4:17AM8 -
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✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Vanthras79 wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.
*plays worlds smallest violin*
Yeah. Cute. The changes that they've mentioned (dodging sloads & dodging rune cage) only really benefits perma-dodge builds (who also happen to be the OP stamblades). So these changes don't benefit mag builds nearly as much.
There was not a single word from Wrobel that rune cage will be actually dodgeable. Only words were it will be better telegraphed its coming. If it is as he said to the letter its still cant be dodged and kills everything same as now.
Rewatch the Twitch. At minute 53:00 Wrobel specifically says "make it dodgeable" and then continues to talk about making Rune Cage telegraphed enough to be dodgeable.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyObedientCrabPicoMauseWant to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Vanthras79 wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.
*plays worlds smallest violin*
Yeah. Cute. The changes that they've mentioned (dodging sloads & dodging rune cage) only really benefits perma-dodge builds (who also happen to be the OP stamblades). So these changes don't benefit mag builds nearly as much.
There was not a single word from Wrobel that rune cage will be actually dodgeable. Only words were it will be better telegraphed its coming. If it is as he said to the letter its still cant be dodged and kills everything same as now.
Rewatch the Twitch. At minute 53:00 Wrobel specifically says "make it dodgeable" and then continues to talk about making Rune Cage telegraphed enough to be dodgeable.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyObedientCrabPicoMause
"we are looking into making it dodgeable", as its not certain and set in stone it actually will be. And even if so, it will remain horribly cancerous for all magicka users on receiving end.
While they could simply add that 2s duration instead 5 and making it breaking on certaint treshold of damage as every stun should to avoid stun+burst meta.Edited by Gravord on July 21, 2018 12:29AM7 -
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✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Ahhh, almost forgot, another brilliant change
4. Incap strike - stun removed from 70 ulti cost, gains stun on 120 ulti. As much as idea of ulti levels is good, this one is utter crap. Eeery stam user and their mothers will take Dawnbreaker - high damage, dot, stun, *** AOE on all that!!! Undefendable. If thats not enough new influx of Wereweolves after patch will make it even better choice. Theres absolutelly no point of using Incap over Dawnbreaker.
To point 1. It actually sounds kind like the Skeever poison animation. It doesn't sound terrible. Stacking kind of sucks.
To point 2. Yeah that's weak.
To point 4. Incap still provides Major Defile, a 20% increase in ALL damage for next 5 seconds after, and you would now have at least a choice to make.
Nothing is set in stone so there's that at least.
4. Lets be honest, if you are hit with Dawnbreaker attacker dont need dmg boost or defile (which he might have anyway from different sources), you are most likely about to die. Especially that any ppl that could be around to help you are also stunned and take same dmg from Dawnbreaker as you. On top of that attacker gets 5% weap dmg from Dawnbreaker too.
Unsure what you mean by this. Dawnbreaker of smiting has the CC and only gets the passive 3% weapon dmg from passives while Flawless Dawnbreaker provides the additional 5% weapon dmg your referring to, but really it's 8% and there is NO CC.
I think Incap still has it's place with those changes, but let's scream running around in circles like chickens with our heads cut off.
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✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Vanthras79 wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »So on tonights ESO live Wrobel revealed few changes coming next week and damn, my head hurt when he spoke.
1. Sload change - no dmg nerf, still stackable, only change it will be projectile that you can dodge but not reflect. Every stun/rooted person take all the dmg for free and every magicka user take it aswell and still melts.
Oh my! Look at that... just another exception to DK's wings. First they made an exception for Meteor... then birds... now the Sloads projectile. Sure. There's no bias, whatsoever, against the DK class.
*plays worlds smallest violin*
Yeah. Cute. The changes that they've mentioned (dodging sloads & dodging rune cage) only really benefits perma-dodge builds (who also happen to be the OP stamblades). So these changes don't benefit mag builds nearly as much.
There was not a single word from Wrobel that rune cage will be actually dodgeable. Only words were it will be better telegraphed its coming. If it is as he said to the letter its still cant be dodged and kills everything same as now.
Rewatch the Twitch. At minute 53:00 Wrobel specifically says "make it dodgeable" and then continues to talk about making Rune Cage telegraphed enough to be dodgeable.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyObedientCrabPicoMause
"we are looking into making it dodgeable", as its not certain and set in stone it actually will be. And even if so, it will remain horribly cancerous for all magicka users on receiving end.
While they could simply add that 2s duration instead 5 and making it breaking on certaint treshold of damage as every stun should to avoid stun+burst meta.
Then why would they make it telegraphed? So you can watch it before it inevitably stuns you with no chance to dodge or reflect it?Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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