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Dark Deal
RighteousBacon
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So I only recently leveled and geared my stam sorc, but I’ve had a lot of fun and success with it. It’s a very unique class. I remember back when they first started getting big when the OG’s mained them: Fengrush and King Richard (I don’t think they play anymore).
I don’t remember if this was always th case, but I know that in the current build of the game, interrupting dark deal grants cc immunity. That part is fine to me, but the fact that you can’t interrupt dark Deal once the target has cc immunity is a bit messed up if you ask me.
Does anyone share my opinion? Would it be a reasonable change to make dark Deal interruptible at all times?
I don’t remember if this was always th case, but I know that in the current build of the game, interrupting dark deal grants cc immunity. That part is fine to me, but the fact that you can’t interrupt dark Deal once the target has cc immunity is a bit messed up if you ask me.
Does anyone share my opinion? Would it be a reasonable change to make dark Deal interruptible at all times?
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm fairly sure (last I checked) it only applied to bash
I'm thinking abilities that cause an interrupt still work.
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Kartalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Crushing shock and venom arrow should work still.- PC/NA
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Lichbourne90✭✭✭If the "if we are stacking shields we aren't doing damage" argument works for magsorcs then I say if we are dark dealing we ain't doing damage. Leave our dark deal alone!7 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lichbourne90 wrote: »If the "if we are stacking shields we aren't doing damage" argument works for magsorcs then I say if we are dark dealing we ain't doing damage. Leave our dark deal alone!
Magsorcs have Dark Conversion which is just as open to interrupt as Dark Deal and neither is similar to stacking shields which is instant and therefore could never be interrupted. There is other means to deal and prevent shielding.0 -
Lichbourne90✭✭✭Lichbourne90 wrote: »If the "if we are stacking shields we aren't doing damage" argument works for magsorcs then I say if we are dark dealing we ain't doing damage. Leave our dark deal alone!
Magsorcs have Dark Conversion which is just as open to interrupt as Dark Deal and neither is similar to stacking shields which is instant and therefore could never be interrupted. There is other means to deal and prevent shielding.
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »I'm fairly sure (last I checked) it only applied to bash
I'm thinking abilities that cause an interrupt still work.
I think
They don't. CC-immune targets cannot be interrupted, the only exception is ressurecting an ally.
ZOS wanted to make cast-time abilities more attractive in PvP, but IMO just dumbed down the gameplay quite a bit.
This comes from a dark deal and crushing shock spammer.
Edited by Bergzorn on July 20, 2018 6:04AMno CP PvP PC/EU
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RighteousBacon✭✭✭✭It just seems to me like it would only make sense that dark Deal/conversion be interruptible at all times. The provide a small heal as well as sustainability. This leads to almost infinite sustain, especially when ur in a 1v1 and interrupting an opponents dark Deal means not being able to burst them effectively for 6 seconds1
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RighteousBacon wrote: »It just seems to me like it would only make sense that dark Deal/conversion be interruptible at all times. The provide a small heal as well as sustainability. This leads to almost infinite sustain, especially when ur in a 1v1 and interrupting an opponents dark Deal means not being able to burst them effectively for 6 seconds
No, it definitely DOESN'T make sense for DD/DC to be interruptible at all times. Believe it or not, there were mean spirited players out there who would NEVER let you complete a Dark Conversion... they would just keep bashing you or whatever. These same clowns would never let you re-summon a dead Twilight, either. This is the whole reason this mechanic was changed in the first place!
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TheYKcid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dark Deal shouldn't be interruptible when immune.
The fact that someone who's channeling it is completely vulnerable (unable to sprint, roll, block—basically EVERY defense mechanic for stam) gives their opponent more than enough counterplay options.
I was initially opposed to this new interrupt system, but have to admit it has played-out well. Stamsorcs are finally in a good-ish place for the first time in a while.PC/NA — Daggerfall Covenant — BGs, Kaalgrontiid
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barshemm✭✭✭✭If you can't kill someone spamming dark deal you were not going to kill them anyway. If you aren't constant CCing someone, you are needlessly playing hard mode.
You used to be able to interrupt it. In fact it changed while I was taking a few months break and I played for weeks thinking it could be. Personally I'd be fine if they changed it back if they make anything that channels interruptible, like zaans and soul assault (especially the combination of both).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »RighteousBacon wrote: »It just seems to me like it would only make sense that dark Deal/conversion be interruptible at all times. The provide a small heal as well as sustainability. This leads to almost infinite sustain, especially when ur in a 1v1 and interrupting an opponents dark Deal means not being able to burst them effectively for 6 seconds
No, it definitely DOESN'T make sense for DD/DC to be interruptible at all times. Believe it or not, there were mean spirited players out there who would NEVER let you complete a Dark Conversion... they would just keep bashing you or whatever. These same clowns would never let you re-summon a dead Twilight, either. This is the whole reason this mechanic was changed in the first place!
Mean spirited?
How dare they not let you finish your channel?!
I hope they got reported for bashing you.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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RighteousBacon✭✭✭✭If you can't kill someone spamming dark deal you were not going to kill them anyway. If you aren't constant CCing someone, you are needlessly playing hard mode.
You used to be able to interrupt it. In fact it changed while I was taking a few months break and I played for weeks thinking it could be. Personally I'd be fine if they changed it back if they make anything that channels interruptible, like zaans and soul assault (especially the combination of both).
Constantly cc’ing is not how you have to play in all fights. Are you a zergling? Because zerglings constantly look to cc.
To clear things up, my specific complaint is with dark Deal in duels. It grants the user cc immunity and with a second cast allows the user to gain stamina for their cc immunity instead of lose it as if they had broken a stun. Dark Deal, in my opinion, isn’t overpowered or anything, but when paired with certain builds...0 -
barshemm✭✭✭✭RighteousBacon wrote: »If you can't kill someone spamming dark deal you were not going to kill them anyway. If you aren't constant CCing someone, you are needlessly playing hard mode.
You used to be able to interrupt it. In fact it changed while I was taking a few months break and I played for weeks thinking it could be. Personally I'd be fine if they changed it back if they make anything that channels interruptible, like zaans and soul assault (especially the combination of both).
Constantly cc’ing is not how you have to play in all fights. Are you a zergling? Because zerglings constantly look to cc.
To clear things up, my specific complaint is with dark Deal in duels. It grants the user cc immunity and with a second cast allows the user to gain stamina for their cc immunity instead of lose it as if they had broken a stun. Dark Deal, in my opinion, isn’t overpowered or anything, but when paired with certain builds...
The you don't play my way you must be a zerglings argument then goes into talking about duels... Lol
When paired with certain builds, especially in duels, just about anything can be overpowered. Dark deal is a sustain, allowing Stam sorcs to stack more damage, not to mention we have to slot pretty useless skills just to get access to our class passive for regen. The whole time they are casting dark deal they aren't doing active damage and also can't mitigate damage with block.1 -
RighteousBacon✭✭✭✭RighteousBacon wrote: »If you can't kill someone spamming dark deal you were not going to kill them anyway. If you aren't constant CCing someone, you are needlessly playing hard mode.
You used to be able to interrupt it. In fact it changed while I was taking a few months break and I played for weeks thinking it could be. Personally I'd be fine if they changed it back if they make anything that channels interruptible, like zaans and soul assault (especially the combination of both).
Constantly cc’ing is not how you have to play in all fights. Are you a zergling? Because zerglings constantly look to cc.
To clear things up, my specific complaint is with dark Deal in duels. It grants the user cc immunity and with a second cast allows the user to gain stamina for their cc immunity instead of lose it as if they had broken a stun. Dark Deal, in my opinion, isn’t overpowered or anything, but when paired with certain builds...
The you don't play my way you must be a zerglings argument then goes into talking about duels... Lol
When paired with certain builds, especially in duels, just about anything can be overpowered. Dark deal is a sustain, allowing Stam sorcs to stack more damage, not to mention we have to slot pretty useless skills just to get access to our class passive for regen. The whole time they are casting dark deal they aren't doing active damage and also can't mitigate damage with block.
XD XD XD, I’m laughing at myself. Idk why I used the “you don't play my way you must be a zerglings argument”. That is a very weak argument l for sure.
I understand your points and i believe they’re valid, I just wish there was a way to perfectly balance dark Deal, but I know there isn’t. I suppose the way it works rn is the best it has been so we might as well leave it be.0 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭RighteousBacon wrote: »If you can't kill someone spamming dark deal you were not going to kill them anyway. If you aren't constant CCing someone, you are needlessly playing hard mode.
You used to be able to interrupt it. In fact it changed while I was taking a few months break and I played for weeks thinking it could be. Personally I'd be fine if they changed it back if they make anything that channels interruptible, like zaans and soul assault (especially the combination of both).
Constantly cc’ing is not how you have to play in all fights. Are you a zergling? Because zerglings constantly look to cc.
To clear things up, my specific complaint is with dark Deal in duels. It grants the user cc immunity and with a second cast allows the user to gain stamina for their cc immunity instead of lose it as if they had broken a stun. Dark Deal, in my opinion, isn’t overpowered or anything, but when paired with certain builds...
What a garbage assumption.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
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✭If you could interrupt dark deal at all times then it would just make you weaker to use it, it would be pointless to ever use in combat. Getting your dark deal bashed can be dangerous, it stopped your chance at gaining hp and resources that you probably needed and then you have to wait to use it again.
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✭✭Another one of these "I level X class and figured this should be nerfed" threads..... No, just because you played a class for 5mins does not mean you now knows every inns and out of said class and can come with balance suggestions.
I am guessing this is a NB main that just wants too see sorc nerfs because they are the only class they cant gank...Cleared Trials:
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✭✭✭✭✭Honestly there is no ideal solution for dark deal in current state. Making it interruptable all the time was stupid but making it uninterruptable while CC immune is similarly stupid. It just went from one extreme to another. 3 seconds cooldown after interrupting is laughable drawback since most of people will wait on CC immunity to start spamming dak deal few tiems in a row.
The only solution to make this ability balanced would be complete rework of it.1 -
RighteousBacon✭✭✭✭Another one of these "I level X class and figured this should be nerfed" threads..... No, just because you played a class for 5mins does not mean you now knows every inns and out of said class and can come with balance suggestions.
I am guessing this is a NB main that just wants too see sorc nerfs because they are the only class they cant gank...
Wow man way to make assumptions. No I really don’t want Stam sorc nerfed I think it’s at a good spot. I just wanted to know why the ability worked the way it did and I wanted to know if anyone had thought about the change I brought up.
But hey, if you wanted to pop in the forums and be a toxic mf for your daily rush of keyboard warrior adrenaline, you were successful0