You CAN level up Alliance & Support Skill trees without joining Alliance, PvP or going to Cyrodil

DawnsLight65

I took some alliance points in one of the Daily rewards, and that opened up Alliance and Support. I am now at 2.75 just by doing regular solo questing across Tamriel, its slow yes, but its leveling up nonetheless. I've never been to Cyrodil, I've never joined an Alliance. I just claimed the points.

What makes it go up apparently is fighting alongside other players, whether or not you are in a formal group. I've been watching it carefully. If I jump in and fight alongside others at a dolman, it jumps up dramatically, (for the little bit it increases), it goes up, but less dramatically, when I just happen into others, like 1 or 2, fighting and join in to help, like in a dungeon, or once when swarmed by wasps. It doesnt move when I fight by myself. And I havent created a group to fight in, any of the times. But it keeps going up.

Since I HATE PvP & what I've been hearing about lags in Cyrodil, its nice to know I can eventually achieve Vigor, (already got Rapid Maneuver), just by keeping on doing what I'm doing, and it is nice Karma that helping others is helping my skill line.

So, despite being told 'that's not the way it works, that's not how any of it works', it *IS* possible to level it up. It started out at 0, a week ago it was 2.14 now its 2.75. Slow, but forward motion. And for my character, that's ok.

jaws343

That is not the way it works and no amount of non-AP earning activities will level your alliance rank.

Receiving AP from the daily rewards will increase it because it is adding to your AP gain which levels your alliance rank.

Most likely, it leveled up a bit more because you earned more AP in some way without realizing it. Or, as often happens in Cyrodil, it took a moment or two for the new AP gain to register so when you first looked you didn't see the full gain and when you came back it was there.

The only thing overworld will do for your Alliance skills is level them after you have earned the AP to unlock them in the first place. You can level the skill to morph it but you have to earn AP to unlock the skill in the first place.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

I'm inclined to believe either you are mistaken, or that is a bug. Receiving AP from the daily login rewards will in fact advance your Alliance War rank, as well as skill progress in Assault and Support, but only by earning Alliance Points will those skill lines increase. Using the skills in the trees does not advance the skill line, and neither does group PvE activities (or at least they aren't supposed to).

EDIT: Spelling

jaws343

It could be, since you mention Dolmens, that you are thinking of Fighter's guild skills, which level up when fighting undead or deadra enemies and dolmens.

Also, if Alliance rank leveled outside of AP gain, those who dolmen grind 1-50 would have most of their alliance ranks unlocked before they hit 50.

Nestor

First and foremost, I am not a fan of PVP, so keep.that in mind as you read the following.

Here is the Secret about PVP, you dont really need to PVP to advance Alliance Skill Lines, but you need to be involved in PVP.

This is what you do. Join a group, LFG will stay with Crown helps, and run around with the zerg. Yes, you will die. Quite often. Like every few minutes. Just ressurect at a nearby keep and run back into the fray.

But, you will also rack up the AP. 25K an hour is quite doable just being in a group, doing what you can, and paying attention to where the group is going. Buy some Wall and Door repair kits and use them. Make sure you do the intro quests so you can grab dailies and bounty quests. You might need a FG passive for the last, not sure. When you get some AP to spend, buy siege equipment and use it.

Anyway be with a group and you will do just fine even if you have no idea what your doing. Besides, the way your going about it, you will be back here in 2019 talking about how you just got Vigor. Follow my advice and you will be there in a week or two. And, its kind of fun being part of a group attacking a keep. What is not fun is PVP as a solo activity.

Also, @Joy_Division has an excellent guide on how to PVP for beginners, search for it here. Also, in the near future, there is a Double AP event coming. No date yet.

jaws343

Nestor wrote: »

First and foremost, I am not a fan of PVP, so keep.that in mind as you read the following.

Here is the Secret about PVP, you dont really need to PVP to advance Alliance Skill Lines, but you need to be involved in PVP.

This is what you do. Join a group, LFG will stay with Crown helps, and run around with the zerg. Yes, you will die. Quite often. Like every few minutes. Just ressurect at a nearby keep and run back into the fray.

But, you will also rack up the AP. 25K an hour is quite doable just being in a group, doing what you can, and paying attention to where the group is going. Buy some Wall and Door repair kits and use them. Make sure you do the intro quests so you can grab dailies and bounty quests. You might need a FG passive for the last, not sure. When you get some AP to spend, buy siege equipment and use it.

Anyway be with a group and you will do just fine even if you have no idea what your doing. Besides, the way your going about it, you will be back here in 2019 talking about how you just got Vigor. Follow my advice and you will be there in a week or two. And, its kind of fun being part of a group attacking a keep. What is not fun is PVP as a solo activity.

Also, @Joy_Division has an excellent guide on how to PVP for beginners, search for it here. Also, in the near future, there is a Double AP event coming. No date yet.

With the recent change to defensive ticks, you can easily earn 50-100K per hour just porting to keeps that are about to be attacked, getting or contributing to a kill or repairing a wall, and getting massive defensive ticks. And if you are in a group defending, you will get even more AP as you get credit for group member kills.

redspecter23

If you are gaining xp in Assault and Support in any way other than gaining AP, I'd say that's a bug. It's not intended and will likely be fixed at some point. The vast majority of players have never experienced this bug so it may be very specific or possibly some form of AP gain you may not have noticed.

DawnsLight65

Its not the fighters guild bar that keeps moving up, tho that does move up fighting daedra as stated.

Its the Alliance and Support Bars. If its a glitch its working in my favor. The other Alliance points I picked up from Daily Rewards didn't seem to move my bar forward. And it moved forward afterwards during gameplay. However, I will make a note of changes before and after my next pickup to see if that is having an impact.

jaws343 wrote: »

It could be, since you mention Dolmens, that you are thinking of Fighter's guild skills, which level up when fighting undead or deadra enemies and dolmens.

Also, if Alliance rank leveled outside of AP gain, those who dolmen grind 1-50 would have most of their alliance ranks unlocked before they hit 50.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm inclined to believe either you are mistaken, or that is a bug. Receiving AP from the daily login rewards will in fact advance your Alliance War rank, as well as skill progress in Assault and Support, but only by earning Alliance Points will those skill lines increase. Using the skills in the trees does not advance the skill line, and neither does group PvE activities (or at least they aren't supposed to).

EDIT: Spelling

DawnsLight65

jaws343 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Besides, the way your going about it, you will be back here in 2019 talking about how you just got Vigor. Follow my advice and you will be there in a week or two. .

True enough.

DawnsLight65

jaws343 wrote: »

Also, if Alliance rank leveled outside of AP gain, those who dolmen grind 1-50 would have most of their alliance ranks unlocked before they hit 50.

Except its just very, very small gains. So....

jaws343

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

Its not the fighters guild bar that keeps moving up, tho that does move up fighting daedra as stated.

Its the Alliance and Support Bars. If its a glitch its working in my favor. The other Alliance points I picked up from Daily Rewards didn't seem to move my bar forward. And it moved forward afterwards during gameplay. However, I will make a note of changes before and after my next pickup to see if that is having an impact.

jaws343 wrote: »

It could be, since you mention Dolmens, that you are thinking of Fighter's guild skills, which level up when fighting undead or deadra enemies and dolmens.

Also, if Alliance rank leveled outside of AP gain, those who dolmen grind 1-50 would have most of their alliance ranks unlocked before they hit 50.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm inclined to believe either you are mistaken, or that is a bug. Receiving AP from the daily login rewards will in fact advance your Alliance War rank, as well as skill progress in Assault and Support, but only by earning Alliance Points will those skill lines increase. Using the skills in the trees does not advance the skill line, and neither does group PvE activities (or at least they aren't supposed to).

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That sounds like the delay I mentioned. I will notice in Cyrodil I earn 10K AP and it takes a minute or two for the AP gain to reflect on my leaderboard or tier score. So you are most likely earning the AP from the daily award and it is taking a bit for it to register to your character's Alliance rank gain.

DawnsLight65

@jaws343
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That sounds like the delay I mentioned. I will notice in Cyrodil I earn 10K AP and it takes a minute or two for the AP gain to reflect on my leaderboard or tier score. So you are most likely earning the AP from the daily award and it is taking a bit for it to register to your character's Alliance rank gain.[/quote]

A full day after claiming, and after 4-8 hours playing? That kind of delay? It aint just a few minutes.

jaws343

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

@jaws343


That sounds like the delay I mentioned. I will notice in Cyrodil I earn 10K AP and it takes a minute or two for the AP gain to reflect on my leaderboard or tier score. So you are most likely earning the AP from the daily award and it is taking a bit for it to register to your character's Alliance rank gain.

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

A full day after claiming, and after 4-8 hours playing? That kind of delay? It aint just a few minutes.

Well not a full day, but it is difficult to provide explanations for things when you are providing vague information like "it moved forward after gameplay." Kind of important to mention that the gameplay was 24 hours later. But also, did you get the AP bonus, check your rank and see it didn't move and then check it repeatedly over your playing time and nothing changed until you logged in the next day? Or did you check your rank, see no change and then not check it again before you logged out and when you logged back on you noticed the change?

Either way, if you are experiencing this as you say you are, you are exploiting a glitch. You should report this to ZOS rather than coming to forums and saying that everyone telling you it is not possible are wrong. Because we are right, this shouldn't be possible and taking advantage of it isn't a good thing.

DawnsLight65

jaws343 wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

@jaws343


That sounds like the delay I mentioned. I will notice in Cyrodil I earn 10K AP and it takes a minute or two for the AP gain to reflect on my leaderboard or tier score. So you are most likely earning the AP from the daily award and it is taking a bit for it to register to your character's Alliance rank gain.

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

A full day after claiming, and after 4-8 hours playing? That kind of delay? It aint just a few minutes.

Well not a full day, but it is difficult to provide explanations for things when you are providing vague information like "it moved forward after gameplay." Kind of important to mention that the gameplay was 24 hours later. But also, did you get the AP bonus, check your rank and see it didn't move and then check it repeatedly over your playing time and nothing changed until you logged in the next day? Or did you check your rank, see no change and then not check it again before you logged out and when you logged back on you noticed the change?

Either way, if you are experiencing this as you say you are, you are exploiting a glitch. You should report this to ZOS rather than coming to forums and saying that everyone telling you it is not possible are wrong. Because we are right, this shouldn't be possible and taking advantage of it isn't a good thing.

Ok, First issue: WHAT am I exploiting? Its there, its happening, its not my fault the glitch is there, I'm not doing ANYTHING different than what I was doing before as a solo non-PvP player, I'm just getting forward motion on Alliance skills. To take advantage/exploit one must alter your prior behavior to gain benefit, I'm not doing any of that. I would ALWAYS jump in and help others, whether I got points or no, and will continue to do so if this 'glitch' goes away. I just want to have fun playing the game, man. This happening is a happy side-effect of insignificant benefit that I have no control over, not my end-all-be-all of game play.

Second, I HAVE posted HERE about it. ZOS monitors these forums since they are official elder scrolls online. I have seen several 'official' responses from ZOS on other posts, so they are already probably aware this is happening. If they want to stop it they will. You think one person telling them something is happening will make a change to game instantaneously? This flies in the face of a number of threads I have read about ZOS response to game issues.

Further, since I am not doing anything other than play the game as it is set for solo questing, I CANT STOP the progression on my Alliance skill tree unless I stop playing the game altogether which isnt going to happen. You seem to think I'm deliberately breaking/exploiting the system. It aint me, bro. I'm just collecting daily rewards and playing it like a solo non-PvP, it isnt my fault the glitch levels Alliance/Support for doing that. I just noted it was happening in my case, in the face of others saying it wasnt possible. And that, for some reason, seems to ruffle some feathers.

And lastly, you seem to be saying to me: that I am wrong about it happening because its a system glitch which makes it happen. See how illogical that sounds? Whether its SUPPOSED to happen within the game or not, it IS happening and Alliance/Support points are being leveled without PvP play.

What bothers me most is that I'm also getting from you that apparently I am a bad player because 1) it happened to me; 2) I posted about it here to let everyone know; and 3) because I have no control over it happening to me, or anyway of stopping it, I am taking advantage/exploiting the game and 'not playing it the right way', if I got your gist. Because I just liked it happening without PvP play or me doing anything different than I did before.

Which is all I was saying. It IS happening. I had already acknowledged it could be a glitch. I have seen the level of my skill tree, collected points on rewards, then looked at it again and did not register movement. I have also monitored it after fighting with others and solo, and there was only progression when I fought with others. I have also stated I will keep a closer eye on future changes to make a more concrete, balanced judgement. And I let others, and ZOS know about it here on the forums.

Dude. Stop throwing shade. Its a game. And there is no right way or wrong way to 'play' this game, glitches or no glitches.

jaws343

I mean, first of all, there is a method, in game to report bugs, especially bugs that are allowing you to generate rankings in a way that is not intended. That method isn't to come on the forums and brag about this happening to you, which is what this thread reads as.

Secondly, I still highly doubt that this is actually happening the way you say it is. It would be beneficial to maybe provide a video of this happening. Because alliance rank has never worked like you say it is for you, ever. So it isn't surprising that you are getting a little shade because either you are mistaken and refuse to see it any other way, or you are experiencing a glitch.

And intent when taking advantage of a glitch is often disregarded. I am sure many of the IC players who were just playing the game were pretty upset when they got suspensions for excessive tel var gains when that glitch happened within the last year. Or the myriad of other glitches that have happened over the years that have worked out negatively for players.

And let me be clear, my whole point wasn't to throw shade at you. The purpose of my comment was to provide alternatives to what you think is happening based on how the game is supposed to work. I only asked for a bit more proof or more details into the situations you were describing to better understand what is happening.

VaranisArano

If you haven't already, use the Ask for Help option in game to report this to ZOS. They'll send you an email and thus you can reply to them describing the issue in detail.


Thing is, I'm a little confused about what you are experiencing. I've got a new character who is also getting the AP from daily rewards and is not expericing odd Alliance War gains, so maybe I can walk through what should be happening.

The Alliance War AP should show gains in 2 ways.
1. The Assault and Support Skill lines unlock and raise by the amount of AP you have, you can track how much AP you have to the next level by hovering over the skill gain bar.
(Note that the unlocked skills level in the usual way with gained exp, not AP)
2. The Alliance Rank will increase in the Alliance War tab, from Recruit rank onward. Similarly, you can see how much AP you have to go to the next rank by hovering over that bar.


Therefore, if you are indeed gaining Alliance War exp, you should see it reflected in the Alliance War Rank and the Assault/Support skill lines.

Now the expected result is that you take the daily reward, you gain that # of AP, and your Rank and Assault/Support skill lines bars increase by that # of AP.

There is no other intended way for you to gain Alliance War Rank or unlock the Assault/Support skill line without gaining AP. AP is only gained through Cyrodiil, Imperial City, Battlegrounds, and Daily Rewards. So if you are gaining AP through other activities or seeing an increase in your Alliance Rank and/or Assault/Support lines without gaining AP, this is not intended, and thus is an exploit. please note that you do not have to be deliberately causing this in any way for it to be an exploit. That's why its important for you to report it properly.


So my questions are:

1. Are you gaining AP and if so, then through what activities? The AP icon should flash up on screen. (If you aren't, the Alliance Rank and Assault/Support lines should not be raising at all.)

2. Are you gaining in Alliance Rank and/or the Assault/Support line? If so, can you give specifics of the gains, such as using the skill bars to give a "before and after" comparisons of the activities that you say are causing those to increase? (The specific amounts of the increase should help track down the source of the apparent gain. Moreover, with specifics ZOS can try to replicate your situation.)


Please understand that this isn't intended to question your experience or accuse you of exploiting. Nevertheless, if what you describe is happening, its not working as intended, no matter how nice it might be for people who dislike PVP. Gaining skill points from Alliance Rank and unlocking the Assault/Support lines from sources other than the intended ways would be a serious glitch/exploit in the game if that's what is going on. I'm interested in figuring out exactly what's going on so it can be fixed.

VaranisArano

Just to check it out myself, I did several Dolmens on a character who's done some PVP. I got exp and Fighters Guild exp, as expected. My Vigor skill from the Assault skill line increased, as expected, as the skill level raises from exp gain.

I gained no AP, my Assault/Support skill line did not increase, nor did my Alliance Rank increase.

Saturnana

VaranisArano wrote: »

Just to check it out myself, I did several Dolmens on a character who's done some PVP. I got exp and Fighters Guild exp, as expected. My Vigor skill from the Assault skill line increased, as expected, as the skill level raises from exp gain.

I gained no AP, my Assault/Support skill line did not increase, nor did my Alliance Rank increase.

I was thinking this may have caused the confusion? OP's explanation makes sense when assuming that they're talking about individual assault/support skills, rather than the actual skill lines (provided that they have those skills on their bar of course).

@ OP;
To be clear, it was not an individual skill that went up through normal game-play, but the whole skill line?
If that's the case, I'd report it in-game as a bug.

VaranisArano

lnsane wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Just to check it out myself, I did several Dolmens on a character who's done some PVP. I got exp and Fighters Guild exp, as expected. My Vigor skill from the Assault skill line increased, as expected, as the skill level raises from exp gain.

I gained no AP, my Assault/Support skill line did not increase, nor did my Alliance Rank increase.

I was thinking this may have caused the confusion? OP's explanation makes sense when assuming that they're talking about individual assault/support skills, rather than the actual skill lines (provided that they have those skills on their bar of course).

@ OP;
To be clear, it was not an individual skill that went up through normal game-play, but the whole skill line?
If that's the case, I'd report it in-game as a bug.

Personally, that's been my assumption as well, that the OP saw a skill like Rapid Manuevers gain in exp through regular activities, which is totally normal and expected.

Its just that the way they are describing it, especially the part about hoping to eventually unlock Caltrops, makes it sounds like they are advancing in Alliance Rank/the entire Assault/Support skill line, which should only increase from AP gain.

Hence why I'm a little confused.

DawnsLight65

jaws343 wrote: »

And let me be clear, my whole point wasn't to throw shade at you. The purpose of my comment was to provide alternatives to what you think is happening based on how the game is supposed to work. I only asked for a bit more proof or more details into the situations you were describing to better understand what is happening.

I never said it was supposed to be this way as part of the regular gameplay. I just said it IS happening and the skill lines are getting more yellow, and hello, you can unlock actives because of it, and that is cool it can happen without PvP, and that IT SEEMS it was going up due to fighting alongside other players in PvE based on my observations during gameplay. No bragging, stating facts and observations, albiet happy I was getting leveling in those lines without doing PvP.

I dont see how *I* can be suspended for an issue I didnt create, didnt do anything different than before after it was discovered, and cant stop from happening, just because it gives me leveling points I NEVER ASKED FOR in THEIR system that is not acting the way its intended, if this is a glitch. If the developers ban people for that, then they have more serious issues than a glitch giving tiny gains in Alliance/Support when not PvPing. Am I grateful I'm getting the leveling? Yeah, I thought they were a nice widdle freebie, possibly short term if its a glitch and they fix it. Does it mean I'm a bad player or exploiting the glitch because my A/S points are leveling without my consent, since I have no control over it happening or stopping it? No it does not. It does mean I am observant enough to notice it happening & thought it would be a good idea to let people know on the forum, which by the way was set up in the first place to discuss game issues and happenings. A forum that ZOS monitors. If I was just 'bragging' I would have posted on Reddit. My attitude regarding this is not going to change.

I still believe ZOS knows about this already. BUT I will put in an official bug report since you all are so insistent it is MY responsibility to do so. And I will screenshot the report so that if they try to suspend me anyway, I have proof it was reported.

The point of posting in the forums is for honest discussion, to ask questions & get feedback, and to let people know things are happening. I've seen it on hundreds of posts I've scanned on here since I started the darn game at level 1. You seem to be holding me to task just for posting about this, like it is another 'gaming sin' or 'bragging' that I did. I disagree.

The only thing else I am posting on this will be my photos showing obvious progression on the Alliance/Support lines, and screenshots showing I am not part of an Alliance, as soon as I am able to do so. Cause I have no intention of being labeled a defacto liar because I havent produced 'proof' of it happening. (Video is out of the question: HOW can a VIDEO effectively prove this? Its not something I can switch back to in the middle of combat to show in a video & since I only play solo PvE, I have no idea when I'm going to encounter a group to fight with, nor on a console do I have the ability or time to record hours of video and then edit. I'm not a professional ESO player. Screenshots are what you get & that should prove it)

DawnsLight65

VaranisArano wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Just to check it out myself, I did several Dolmens on a character who's done some PVP. I got exp and Fighters Guild exp, as expected. My Vigor skill from the Assault skill line increased, as expected, as the skill level raises from exp gain.

I gained no AP, my Assault/Support skill line did not increase, nor did my Alliance Rank increase.

I was thinking this may have caused the confusion? OP's explanation makes sense when assuming that they're talking about individual assault/support skills, rather than the actual skill lines (provided that they have those skills on their bar of course).

@ OP;
To be clear, it was not an individual skill that went up through normal game-play, but the whole skill line?
If that's the case, I'd report it in-game as a bug.

Personally, that's been my assumption as well, that the OP saw a skill like Rapid Manuevers gain in exp through regular activities, which is totally normal and expected.

Its just that the way they are describing it, especially the part about hoping to eventually unlock Caltrops, makes it sounds like they are advancing in Alliance Rank/the entire Assault/Support skill line, which should only increase from AP gain.

Hence why I'm a little confused.

My Assault/Support lines ARE getting more yellow. I will be posting screenshots later. Thank you for your measured and thoughtful insights, which dont discount what is happening on my end or diminish me as a poster.

As stated previously, MY observations were they were going up due to fighting in a group of more than 1, outside PvP, (since the gains showed after that) however as previously stated, I was going to watch to make sure it was not happening due to influx of AP points from daily rewards, or the daily rewards opening the skill line and getting xp on the line just from being opened.

VaranisArano

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Just to check it out myself, I did several Dolmens on a character who's done some PVP. I got exp and Fighters Guild exp, as expected. My Vigor skill from the Assault skill line increased, as expected, as the skill level raises from exp gain.

I gained no AP, my Assault/Support skill line did not increase, nor did my Alliance Rank increase.

I was thinking this may have caused the confusion? OP's explanation makes sense when assuming that they're talking about individual assault/support skills, rather than the actual skill lines (provided that they have those skills on their bar of course).

@ OP;
To be clear, it was not an individual skill that went up through normal game-play, but the whole skill line?
If that's the case, I'd report it in-game as a bug.

Personally, that's been my assumption as well, that the OP saw a skill like Rapid Manuevers gain in exp through regular activities, which is totally normal and expected.

Its just that the way they are describing it, especially the part about hoping to eventually unlock Caltrops, makes it sounds like they are advancing in Alliance Rank/the entire Assault/Support skill line, which should only increase from AP gain.

Hence why I'm a little confused.

My Assault/Support lines ARE getting more yellow. I will be posting screenshots later. Thank you for your measured and thoughtful insights, which dont discount what is happening on my end or diminish me as a poster.

Hey, I appreciate the future screenshots. I'm also curious, is the AP count going up when your skill bars advance?

For example, when I scroll over my Assault skill line, I see that I have 15,000 of 60,000 to level up to the next level of Assault (Support is the same). If my Assault line were advancing, I'd expect to see that number increasing. So if your number is going up, it would be good to track that by amounts and per activity.

Or on the Alliance War tab, I have 24,999 AP towards my current Rank. Again, if that number is going up without doing PVP activities or daily rewards of AP, it would be good to track those increases and the activities that seem to be causing it.

Like I said, I tried doing a couple Dolmens and saw no increase to those numbers.

I did see an increase in the Assault skills I have active, like Vigor and Rapid Maneuvers, because those skills level from regular exp like every other skill.

DawnsLight65

VaranisArano wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Just to check it out myself, I did several Dolmens on a character who's done some PVP. I got exp and Fighters Guild exp, as expected. My Vigor skill from the Assault skill line increased, as expected, as the skill level raises from exp gain.

I gained no AP, my Assault/Support skill line did not increase, nor did my Alliance Rank increase.

I was thinking this may have caused the confusion? OP's explanation makes sense when assuming that they're talking about individual assault/support skills, rather than the actual skill lines (provided that they have those skills on their bar of course).

@ OP;
To be clear, it was not an individual skill that went up through normal game-play, but the whole skill line?
If that's the case, I'd report it in-game as a bug.

Personally, that's been my assumption as well, that the OP saw a skill like Rapid Manuevers gain in exp through regular activities, which is totally normal and expected.

Its just that the way they are describing it, especially the part about hoping to eventually unlock Caltrops, makes it sounds like they are advancing in Alliance Rank/the entire Assault/Support skill line, which should only increase from AP gain.

Hence why I'm a little confused.

My Assault/Support lines ARE getting more yellow. I will be posting screenshots later. Thank you for your measured and thoughtful insights, which dont discount what is happening on my end or diminish me as a poster.

Hey, I appreciate the future screenshots. I'm also curious, is the AP count going up when your skill bars advance?

For example, when I scroll over my Assault skill line, I see that I have 15,000 of 60,000 to level up to the next level of Assault (Support is the same). If my Assault line were advancing, I'd expect to see that number increasing. So if your number is going up, it would be good to track that by amounts and per activity.

Or on the Alliance War tab, I have 24,999 AP towards my current Rank. Again, if that number is going up without doing PVP activities or daily rewards of AP, it would be good to track those increases and the activities that seem to be causing it.

Like I said, I tried doing a couple Dolmens and saw no increase to those numbers.

I did see an increase in the Assault skills I have active, like Vigor and Rapid Maneuvers, because those skills level from regular exp like every other skill.

I will let you know the next time I am able to get to my console to play, hopefully tonight. Thank you for your info, it was helpful.

SugaComa

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I took some alliance points in one of the Daily rewards, and that opened up Alliance and Support. I am now at 2.75 just by doing regular solo questing across Tamriel, its slow yes, but its leveling up nonetheless. I've never been to Cyrodil, I've never joined an Alliance. I just claimed the points.

What makes it go up apparently is fighting alongside other players, whether or not you are in a formal group. I've been watching it carefully. If I jump in and fight alongside others at a dolman, it jumps up dramatically, (for the little bit it increases), it goes up, but less dramatically, when I just happen into others, like 1 or 2, fighting and join in to help, like in a dungeon, or once when swarmed by wasps. It doesnt move when I fight by myself. And I havent created a group to fight in, any of the times. But it keeps going up.

Since I HATE PvP & what I've been hearing about lags in Cyrodil, its nice to know I can eventually achieve Vigor, (already got Rapid Maneuver), just by keeping on doing what I'm doing, and it is nice Karma that helping others is helping my skill line.

So, despite being told 'that's not the way it works, that's not how any of it works', it *IS* possible to level it up. It started out at 0, a week ago it was 2.14 now its 2.75. Slow, but forward motion. And for my character, that's ok.

There's an even slower and easier way

Daily rewards that give ap will also level you up

DawnsLight65

@VaranisArano

I have posted screen shots on imgur, link below. My green armor is from 1 week ago when I first noticed progression. The blue armor is now, as of last night when I finished playing. I also included screenshots for each armor color/time of screen shot of the Alliance stuff on each group so you can see I was not part of any of that, either time.

I agree the AP from Daily Rewards could be it, but it also seems to go up when I fight alongside others, it went up a little bit between when I got this last DR drop on AP and the previous one, after I noticed it happening, (tho I cant do video for that sorry-cause I never know when I'm going to group fight while soloing & I dont have the expertise on a console), hence my conclusion there might be an ADDITIONAL progression glitch. It also allows me to choose Assault/Support/Alliance War actives/passives when they are unlocked due to progression. I may be wrong in my assessment of the additional progression.

Regardless, there is obvious progression. I'm not imagining it, and I'm not doing it via PvP. Regardless of whether the system is supposed to give this or not to the players, I am not exploiting the game just because its happening to me.

https://imgur.com/a/0ZKKJks

redspecter23

It looks like you went from 3500 AP to 6500 AP between the 2 screenshots. A difference of exactly 3000 AP. Are you positive you can't think of anything else over that timeframe that would have given you 3000 AP?

We're all a bit confused as you are claiming a bug which not a single other person in the entire game is experiencing at all. I'm not claiming you're being untruthful, but in a situation like this, it's best to rule out everything else before saying it's a bug for sure. And if it is a bug that can be repeated to achieve these results, that puts it into exploit territory. Doing it accidentally would be fine. Knowing about it and continuing to do it could get you in trouble.

DawnsLight65

SugaComa wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

There's an even slower and easier way

Daily rewards that give ap will also level you up

I know thats part of it. I was being told it 1) wasnt happening 2) I was wrong for letting it happen to me, and not reporting the bug because that meant I was exploiting the game outside of the way its supposed to be played & should/could be suspended. 3) by posting about it happening to me, I was just 'bragging', and not interested in the reality of a)it not happening the way I thought or b)that I was wrong altogether. This after I had acknowleged several times I could be wrong about the underlying reason for the obvious progression. Sorry, it still gets my back up to be accused of this NOT happening or the implication I am at fault and should be suspended for 'taking advantage' of the glitch, when this happening is so far beyond my control its silly. Hence why the pics got posted.

I have also seemed to have incremental increases in between the AP Daily reward drops, after fighting alongside more than one person. I havent got a video, reasons posted above.. That is part of the denial its happening responses. However it doesnt matter. Ive reported the bug, so that should forestall any potential suspension. I'll just keep playing the way I always have. If it goes up, it goes up.

VaranisArano

Thanks for the screenshots! Its clear you are gaining AP towards your alliance rank and Assault/Support lines- 3000 in the last week to be exact.

Now, I can't check the exact amount of AP that was given from Daily Rewards right now. That's still the most likely explanation.

However, if you think that amount of AP is going up due to other activities, I'd keep an eye on that number, and see if its increasing when you do non-PVP related things. Like I said, I didn't see an increase in my AP from Dolmens, but if you are, that's going to be the way to find out how much AP those fights alongside other players are giving you.

Bluepitbull13

i was thinking June's rewards unlocked the Assault/Support trees and July's rewards is the current progression the OP is seeing, June was 3,500 AP and July is 3,000 which matches the 6,500 AP accumulated in OP's screenshot





I guess the real question is, how long to unlock vigor/caltrops at roughly 3k-3.5k AP a month? lol

(assault/support skills lvl through questing/killing mobs exp, they have to be on your wpn bar to lvl)

DawnsLight65

VaranisArano wrote: »

Thanks for the screenshots! Its clear you are gaining AP towards your alliance rank and Assault/Support lines- 3000 in the last week to be exact.

Now, I can't check the exact amount of AP that was given from Daily Rewards right now. That's still the most likely explanation.

However, if you think that amount of AP is going up due to other activities, I'd keep an eye on that number, and see if its increasing when you do non-PVP related things. Like I said, I didn't see an increase in my AP from Dolmens, but if you are, that's going to be the way to find out how much AP those fights alongside other players are giving you.

@Bluepitbull13 and @VaranisArano one of the issues was I believed/believe I see additional progression in between AP drops on DR. I know the AP drops have impact on A/S. I am already keeping an eye on/take pics of to see if I can see more progression from the Blue Armor pics before I pick up more AP on a DR. (that the only way *I* will get AP). Which should prove if there was additional progression when fighting with others because that was my conclusion before. If so, it may only happen if you AREN'T already a PvP player. Glitch, remember.

If I am wrong, I will advise, and thank you both for your considered responses.

witchdoctor

Sounds like @Bluepitbull13 figured it out.

The other clue is simply the fact it is even numbers (let alone a multiple of 500). AP gain comes in such random numbers, it is simply too huge of a coincidence to ignore.

Assuming @DawnsLight65 has collected the last AP reward for July, and doesn't engage in PVP, if the number remains 6500 until August's first AP reward ...