Dawnbreaker's damage "misses" when a nightblade cloaks???

StaticWave

Is this a bug? My dawnbreaker clearly hit the target because he was stunned and the dot was applied. Yet the direct damage part of the skill somehow "missed"??? Any explanation?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
https://youtu.be/3qsygOUzf6g

Mystrius_Archaion

Blur's major evasion?

StaticWave

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blur's major evasion?

Dawnbreaker is undodgable....

Mystrius_Archaion

StaticWave wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blur's major evasion?

Dawnbreaker is undodgable....

That's not actually dodging when major evasion kicks in.

Otherwise, nightblade cloak suppresses DoTs for the duration of the invisiblity.

StaticWave

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blur's major evasion?

Dawnbreaker is undodgable....

That's not actually dodging when major evasion kicks in.

Otherwise, nightblade cloak suppresses DoTs for the duration of the invisiblity.

Bro.. dawnbreaker is an undodgable skill. It doesnt matter if he has major or minor evasion or was dodge rolling. It cannot be actively or passively dodged. And it was not the dot that missed, it was the direct damage that missed, which should not because a working-as-intended dawnbreaker should not miss.

Mystrius_Archaion

StaticWave wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blur's major evasion?

Dawnbreaker is undodgable....

That's not actually dodging when major evasion kicks in.

Otherwise, nightblade cloak suppresses DoTs for the duration of the invisiblity.

Bro.. dawnbreaker is an undodgable skill. It doesnt matter if he has major or minor evasion or was dodge rolling. It cannot be actively or passively dodged. And it was not the dot that missed, it was the direct damage that missed, which should not because a working-as-intended dawnbreaker should not miss.

Does Dawnbreaker do an initial DoT tick at the same time as the direct damage?
Are you sure it was Dawnbreaker that missed and not some other simultaneous damage tic from something else?
There is usually a lot going on in pvp to where the visual indicators can cover up other ones also so could it be that the Dawnbreaker damage was just not visible on screen?

StaticWave

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blur's major evasion?

Dawnbreaker is undodgable....

That's not actually dodging when major evasion kicks in.

Otherwise, nightblade cloak suppresses DoTs for the duration of the invisiblity.

Bro.. dawnbreaker is an undodgable skill. It doesnt matter if he has major or minor evasion or was dodge rolling. It cannot be actively or passively dodged. And it was not the dot that missed, it was the direct damage that missed, which should not because a working-as-intended dawnbreaker should not miss.

Does Dawnbreaker do an initial DoT tick at the same time as the direct damage?
Are you sure it was Dawnbreaker that missed and not some other simultaneous damage tic from something else?

I included a video in the post so you can watch it if you want. Hurricane is an aoe so it can't be dodged.

Juhasow

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blur's major evasion?

Major Evasion gives "dodge" flytext when it procs here we see "miss" which is what's happening when dmg is cloaked.

Vizikul

There are a few item sets which cause incoming attacks to miss, like the meridia set. Maybe your opponent used one of those.

StaticWave

Vizikul wrote: »

There are a few item sets which cause incoming attacks to miss, like the meridia set. Maybe your opponent used one of those.

He was using sloads and vice cannon. My debuffs clearly showed them in the video

StaticWave

Juhasow wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blur's major evasion?

Major Evasion gives "dodge" flytext when it procs here we see "miss" which is what's happening when dmg is cloaked.

But you can't cloak dawnbreaker because it's an aoe. It has to be a bug

Thogard

STATIC WHY ARE YOU NOT WATCHING MY VIDS. I AM HURT. MY DISAPPOINTMENT IS IMMEASURABLE.

But the answer you seek is in this vid:
specifically, missing dawnbreaker cause #3, which starts at 5:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkCdxE-HOS8

StaticWave

Thogard wrote: »

STATIC WHY ARE YOU NOT WATCHING MY VIDS. I AM HURT. MY DISAPPOINTMENT IS IMMEASURABLE.

But the answer you seek is in this vid:
specifically, missing dawnbreaker cause #3, which starts at 5:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkCdxE-HOS8

hahaha thanks bro I'll check it out

Thogard

StaticWave wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

STATIC WHY ARE YOU NOT WATCHING MY VIDS. I AM HURT. MY DISAPPOINTMENT IS IMMEASURABLE.

But the answer you seek is in this vid:
specifically, missing dawnbreaker cause #3, which starts at 5:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkCdxE-HOS8

hahaha thanks bro I'll check it out

dont forget to liek and subscrab and commend

Gprime31

Might hit but cloak suppresses the dot

chaz

On one of my toons I play a dual bow stamplar and started using Dawnbreaker. It's a very good Ulti, and it stinks when I use it as a killblow when in PvP and it doesn't do much damage and needs follow up to quickly kill the opponent, However that said @Thogard and his video makes a good point about line of sight. I have, if I remember correctly now, popped off dawnbreaker and was caught in a ***GULP*** moment where the damned thing didn't fire as intended yet it's resource was completely depleted.

Again that said, there are a few, not many but only a few Knight Blades I have come across that are really really good at vanishing almost too perfectly I wanna call out B.S! at the disappearance while I'm making a hit and the contact does not connect and all you see is Miss miss miss. Your video, no matter how many times I've tried to view it to see whats happening, is really too quick for my eyes to judge whats happening properly.

That said, you bring up a good point because and correct me if I'm wrong but up to now it's common knowledge that Dawnbreaker can't be dodged, it should be an unbreakable ulti that can't miss. And should lay down a dot because if I'm correct doesn't that skill hit twice? Initial, then has a dot and causes another count of damage in 1 or 2 seconds.

I'm so sorry, it's been since march since I've played but I played so much of my stamplar I almost know it by heart in my own playstyle. But if you ever find the answer, I'd like to hear it. Other then @Thogard 's visual example... I say that because it's not like there was a cliff between you and that KB. Wait, do we call them KB or NB ?Alright, my bad. NB.

Thogard

chaz wrote: »

On one of my toons I play a dual bow stamplar and started using Dawnbreaker. It's a very good Ulti, and it stinks when I use it as a killblow when in PvP and it doesn't do much damage and needs follow up to quickly kill the opponent, However that said @Thogard and his video makes a good point about line of sight. I have, if I remember correctly now, popped off dawnbreaker and was caught in a ***GULP*** moment where the damned thing didn't fire as intended yet it's resource was completely depleted.

Again that said, there are a few, not many but only a few Knight Blades I have come across that are really really good at vanishing almost too perfectly I wanna call out B.S! at the disappearance while I'm making a hit and the contact does not connect and all you see is Miss miss miss. Your video, no matter how many times I've tried to view it to see whats happening, is really too quick for my eyes to judge whats happening properly.

That said, you bring up a good point because and correct me if I'm wrong but up to now it's common knowledge that Dawnbreaker can't be dodged, it should be an unbreakable ulti that can't miss. And should lay down a dot because if I'm correct doesn't that skill hit twice? Initial, then has a dot and causes another count of damage in 1 or 2 seconds.

I'm so sorry, it's been since march since I've played but I played so much of my stamplar I almost know it by heart in my own playstyle. But if you ever find the answer, I'd like to hear it. Other then @Thogard 's visual example... I say that because it's not like there was a cliff between you and that KB. Wait, do we call them KB or NB ?Alright, my bad. NB.

It's an HP desync.

What that means is that they take the damage, but your UI doesn't know that they took the damage. The mechanism behind cloak means that your UI doesn't get updated with the damage it did.

so lets say you hit someone with a 7k dawnbreaker, and they have 20k HP max. They cloak at just the right moment, so the dawnbreaker says "miss miss" but they still get stunned.

When they come out of cloak, they will still show has having 20k HP. But your UI is deceiving you. What you'll find is that they actually have 13k HP, its just that neither the NB nor know it. But if you get their HP bar down to 7k, (the amount of the dawnbreaker), they will inexplicably drop dead. Thats why, in the video, gilliam and I made such a big deal about how he dropped dead at 50% HP - it proved it was a desync.

chaz

Thogard wrote: »

chaz wrote: »

On one of my toons I play a dual bow stamplar and started using Dawnbreaker. It's a very good Ulti, and it stinks when I use it as a killblow when in PvP and it doesn't do much damage and needs follow up to quickly kill the opponent, However that said @Thogard and his video makes a good point about line of sight. I have, if I remember correctly now, popped off dawnbreaker and was caught in a ***GULP*** moment where the damned thing didn't fire as intended yet it's resource was completely depleted.

Again that said, there are a few, not many but only a few Knight Blades I have come across that are really really good at vanishing almost too perfectly I wanna call out B.S! at the disappearance while I'm making a hit and the contact does not connect and all you see is Miss miss miss. Your video, no matter how many times I've tried to view it to see whats happening, is really too quick for my eyes to judge whats happening properly.

That said, you bring up a good point because and correct me if I'm wrong but up to now it's common knowledge that Dawnbreaker can't be dodged, it should be an unbreakable ulti that can't miss. And should lay down a dot because if I'm correct doesn't that skill hit twice? Initial, then has a dot and causes another count of damage in 1 or 2 seconds.

I'm so sorry, it's been since march since I've played but I played so much of my stamplar I almost know it by heart in my own playstyle. But if you ever find the answer, I'd like to hear it. Other then @Thogard 's visual example... I say that because it's not like there was a cliff between you and that KB. Wait, do we call them KB or NB ?Alright, my bad. NB.

It's an HP desync.

What that means is that they take the damage, but your UI doesn't know that they took the damage. The mechanism behind cloak means that your UI doesn't get updated with the damage it did.

so lets say you hit someone with a 7k dawnbreaker, and they have 20k HP max. They cloak at just the right moment, so the dawnbreaker says "miss miss" but they still get stunned.

When they come out of cloak, they will still show has having 20k HP. But your UI is deceiving you. What you'll find is that they actually have 13k HP, its just that neither the NB nor know it. But if you get their HP bar down to 7k, (the amount of the dawnbreaker), they will inexplicably drop dead. Thats why, in the video, gilliam and I made such a big deal about how he dropped dead at 50% HP - it proved it was a desync.

A very good point. I could say that maybe the addon itself is causing that as well. I had uploaded a video a while back about how my life gauge wasn't fully recharging. Although I may have been at 100% health, my life bar was only reading 30%.

Also, on topic, I watched this video over and over and I think he actually did hit and cause damage with the dawnbreaker. Albeit the damage cause was sickly low. But if you look at this scren shot, taken at 2 seconds and change just before the 3 second mile, it looks like the dawnbreaker caused 3,836 point damage to that NB.

https://imgur.com/a/4KqjYFF

Thogard

chaz wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

chaz wrote: »

On one of my toons I play a dual bow stamplar and started using Dawnbreaker. It's a very good Ulti, and it stinks when I use it as a killblow when in PvP and it doesn't do much damage and needs follow up to quickly kill the opponent, However that said @Thogard and his video makes a good point about line of sight. I have, if I remember correctly now, popped off dawnbreaker and was caught in a ***GULP*** moment where the damned thing didn't fire as intended yet it's resource was completely depleted.

Again that said, there are a few, not many but only a few Knight Blades I have come across that are really really good at vanishing almost too perfectly I wanna call out B.S! at the disappearance while I'm making a hit and the contact does not connect and all you see is Miss miss miss. Your video, no matter how many times I've tried to view it to see whats happening, is really too quick for my eyes to judge whats happening properly.

That said, you bring up a good point because and correct me if I'm wrong but up to now it's common knowledge that Dawnbreaker can't be dodged, it should be an unbreakable ulti that can't miss. And should lay down a dot because if I'm correct doesn't that skill hit twice? Initial, then has a dot and causes another count of damage in 1 or 2 seconds.

I'm so sorry, it's been since march since I've played but I played so much of my stamplar I almost know it by heart in my own playstyle. But if you ever find the answer, I'd like to hear it. Other then @Thogard 's visual example... I say that because it's not like there was a cliff between you and that KB. Wait, do we call them KB or NB ?Alright, my bad. NB.

It's an HP desync.

What that means is that they take the damage, but your UI doesn't know that they took the damage. The mechanism behind cloak means that your UI doesn't get updated with the damage it did.

so lets say you hit someone with a 7k dawnbreaker, and they have 20k HP max. They cloak at just the right moment, so the dawnbreaker says "miss miss" but they still get stunned.

When they come out of cloak, they will still show has having 20k HP. But your UI is deceiving you. What you'll find is that they actually have 13k HP, its just that neither the NB nor know it. But if you get their HP bar down to 7k, (the amount of the dawnbreaker), they will inexplicably drop dead. Thats why, in the video, gilliam and I made such a big deal about how he dropped dead at 50% HP - it proved it was a desync.

A very good point. I could say that maybe the addon itself is causing that as well. I had uploaded a video a while back about how my life gauge wasn't fully recharging. Although I may have been at 100% health, my life bar was only reading 30%.

Also, on topic, I watched this video over and over and I think he actually did hit and cause damage with the dawnbreaker. Albeit the damage cause was sickly low. But if you look at this scren shot, taken at 2 seconds and change just before the 3 second mile, it looks like the dawnbreaker caused 3,836 point damage to that NB.

https://imgur.com/a/4KqjYFF

It's actually a UI issue, not an addon issue. it has to do with how cloak works, which isn't specific to any particular UI mod.

He did the damage. it's just that his client never got the memo that he did the damage, because as far as his client is concerned, the target didn't exist at the moment the damage was done.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Major Evasion has a 15% to make anything miss undodgeable or not. Undodgeable means you can’t roll dodge it.

Thogard

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Major Evasion has a 15% to make anything miss undodgeable or not. Undodgeable means you can’t roll dodge it.

I’ve seen that claimed many times but never have I see it happen or anyone prove it. I’d love it if someone could show me a combat log of them dodging a DBoS using major evasion.

A lot of people dodge the light attack weave ahead of time and then the DB misses and so the attacker assumes that the DB got dodged.

Seriously though if anyone has a screenshot from the last six months of a log that says DBoS was dodged please let me know.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Major Evasion has a 15% to make anything miss undodgeable or not. Undodgeable means you can’t roll dodge it.

I’ve seen that claimed many times but never have I see it happen or anyone prove it. I’d love it if someone could show me a combat log of them dodging a DBoS using major evasion.

A lot of people dodge the light attack weave ahead of time and then the DB misses and so the attacker assumes that the DB got dodged.

Seriously though if anyone has a screenshot from the last six months of a log that says DBoS was dodged please let me know.

I don’t have a video but literally all damage is subject to Major Evasion.

Thogard

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Major Evasion has a 15% to make anything miss undodgeable or not. Undodgeable means you can’t roll dodge it.

I’ve seen that claimed many times but never have I see it happen or anyone prove it. I’d love it if someone could show me a combat log of them dodging a DBoS using major evasion.

A lot of people dodge the light attack weave ahead of time and then the DB misses and so the attacker assumes that the DB got dodged.

Seriously though if anyone has a screenshot from the last six months of a log that says DBoS was dodged please let me know.

I don’t have a video but literally all damage is subject to Major Evasion.

Just need a screenshot to back that claim up. It’s a pretty big stretch.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Major Evasion has a 15% to make anything miss undodgeable or not. Undodgeable means you can’t roll dodge it.

I’ve seen that claimed many times but never have I see it happen or anyone prove it. I’d love it if someone could show me a combat log of them dodging a DBoS using major evasion.

A lot of people dodge the light attack weave ahead of time and then the DB misses and so the attacker assumes that the DB got dodged.

Seriously though if anyone has a screenshot from the last six months of a log that says DBoS was dodged please let me know.

I don’t have a video but literally all damage is subject to Major Evasion.

Just need a screenshot to back that claim up. It’s a pretty big stretch.

Again I don’t have one if you want to make one feel free. The only thing I believe that ignores anything is oblivion damage.

Thogard

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Major Evasion has a 15% to make anything miss undodgeable or not. Undodgeable means you can’t roll dodge it.

I’ve seen that claimed many times but never have I see it happen or anyone prove it. I’d love it if someone could show me a combat log of them dodging a DBoS using major evasion.

A lot of people dodge the light attack weave ahead of time and then the DB misses and so the attacker assumes that the DB got dodged.

Seriously though if anyone has a screenshot from the last six months of a log that says DBoS was dodged please let me know.

I don’t have a video but literally all damage is subject to Major Evasion.

Just need a screenshot to back that claim up. It’s a pretty big stretch.

Again I don’t have one if you want to make one feel free. The only thing I believe that ignores anything is oblivion damage.

I’ve done plenty of testing and have never seen a DBoS dodged. This is based on data after they made it undodgeable.

Gprime31

Major evasion doesn’t work on ice comet

Gnozo

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Major Evasion has a 15% to make anything miss undodgeable or not. Undodgeable means you can’t roll dodge it.

I’ve seen that claimed many times but never have I see it happen or anyone prove it. I’d love it if someone could show me a combat log of them dodging a DBoS using major evasion.

A lot of people dodge the light attack weave ahead of time and then the DB misses and so the attacker assumes that the DB got dodged.

Seriously though if anyone has a screenshot from the last six months of a log that says DBoS was dodged please let me know.

I don’t have a video but literally all damage is subject to Major Evasion.

Just need a screenshot to back that claim up. It’s a pretty big stretch.

Again I don’t have one if you want to make one feel free. The only thing I believe that ignores anything is oblivion damage.

I’ve done plenty of testing and have never seen a DBoS dodged. This is based on data after they made it undodgeable.

DBoS is 100% undodgeable. Even evasion cant dodge it. Its aoe. Did someone ever dodged Destro ult? No.

Its a Bug. Me and a friend experienced the same with Shooting Star. We were dueling for fun and my comet inital hit was 0. No damage at all.

We keept fighting and at some point where he was 80% Hp for my screen and also his screen! I oneshottet him at 23k hp with a 4k powerlash.

Something is wrong. I can also upload the duel. It happend in 3 duels we did. I one shottet him with 10k + hp only doing a 3k lash.

Chrysa1is

I reckon that the reason it did not hit is because you animation cancel so hard that you cancelled your damage. No joke.

eso_lags

StaticWave wrote: »

Is this a bug? My dawnbreaker clearly hit the target because he was stunned and the dot was applied. Yet the direct damage part of the skill somehow "missed"??? Any explanation?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
https://youtu.be/3qsygOUzf6g

I can give you some insight on this. As far as i can tell it was either a shadow nerf or its a bug. it should not be doing that but it does... This happens to me on a near daily basis, and has been for a a few months (give or take).

I can confirm that i have probably hit well over 150 nightblades, right after they cloak, with my DB.. The upfront damage always (yes always) misses and then the dot applies...

However it does take them out of stealth and stun them... SO basically what you're losing is the upfront damage. Which makes no sense. But its zos so.

Rianai

I wonder if cloak can cause even more desyncs, since it is a frequent issue for me ...

CaliMade

StaticWave wrote: »

Is this a bug? My dawnbreaker clearly hit the target because he was stunned and the dot was applied. Yet the direct damage part of the skill somehow "missed"??? Any explanation?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
https://youtu.be/3qsygOUzf6g

Tested, it hit, his health desync'd.
it happens with all direct damage AOEs.
If it hits right as they cloak it says MISS even though it really hits.

I love doing this to nightblades, show them how it feels to die at full hp.


Speaking of that...


WHY HAS SNIPE DESYNC NOT BEEN FIXED YET????

Yaw fixed bugs people had no idea existed (power lash for example). But the biggest and worst one has been left alone FOR OVER 3 YEARS!?!?!

naw its cool, my sorc thanks you for allowing her to die at full hp in a resto ult, bunch of snipes in my recap. Not one snipe sound made till im already dead.