Camo hunter change - make it bust shields

davey1107

Camo hunter has never worked even remotely. Compared to magelight...whichnit should mimic nearly identically...it’s awful. Let’s make it a shield buster. “Nullifies all damage shields in a six meter radius for five seconds.”

Bam. Sorcs are nightblade hunters, and nightblades are sorc huters.

davey1107

It’s not the worst idea. Shields have allowed certain builds to pump so much into resources and damage that they’re unkillable. Some sort of shield counter that doesn’t require a gear configuration would be consistent with other devuffs in the game...most other defensive capabilities have some sort of counter.

Kikke

Shields is the EASIEST defend too break up, but still people scream about it.

How hard is it too count too 6?

Sorc trows shield
count too 6
CC sorc
Sorc dead.

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IZZEFlameLash

We don't need more shieldbreakers. L2P. Shields are very easy to destroy.

The_Protagonist

If anyone wants to be a Sorc Hunter, then all you need is either Sloads+Shieldbreaker or Skill+Patience.

Nightfall12

Not behind this idea at all
But what could be an interesting skill and not sure if it could work without horrid abuse, but a skill that could reverse sheilds, Not quite like the templar skill, but you target a player nad suddenly thier on shield is a barrier that goes both ways. so any player in a shield would find that the shield stopped them from doing damage, Not reflecting it on themselves per say, but like for 3 seconds the "shield users attack hits their own shield instead of their target and if their burst was too big destroy the shield alltogether...casting a new shield would negate the effect.. bUt it would slow sheild stackers from going on the offensive without outright cheesing thier survival skill.

Kikke

Nightfall12 wrote: »

Not behind this idea at all
But what could be an interesting skill and not sure if it could work without horrid abuse, but a skill that could reverse sheilds, Not quite like the templar skill, but you target a player nad suddenly thier on shield is a barrier that goes both ways. so any player in a shield would find that the shield stopped them from doing damage, Not reflecting it on themselves per say, but like for 3 seconds the "shield users attack hits their own shield instead of their target and if their burst was too big destroy the shield alltogether...casting a new shield would negate the effect.. bUt it would slow sheild stackers from going on the offensive without outright cheesing thier survival skill.

3sec? Realy? So a sorc should be locked out of doing dmg for 3sec?! Just wth is people thinking?
If you have issues with shields, learn too play or if you dont want to, go sloads + shieldbreaker and go destroy shields.
There are NO issues with shield. They been nerfed and nerfed, but you guys wont be happy before a sorc is a free kill for everyone else, and then you go and call that balance. Nope!
Next time anyone wants too suggest a shield nerf, come with a *** replacement defence!

The_Protagonist

kikkehs wrote: »

Nightfall12 wrote: »

Not behind this idea at all
But what could be an interesting skill and not sure if it could work without horrid abuse, but a skill that could reverse sheilds, Not quite like the templar skill, but you target a player nad suddenly thier on shield is a barrier that goes both ways. so any player in a shield would find that the shield stopped them from doing damage, Not reflecting it on themselves per say, but like for 3 seconds the "shield users attack hits their own shield instead of their target and if their burst was too big destroy the shield alltogether...casting a new shield would negate the effect.. bUt it would slow sheild stackers from going on the offensive without outright cheesing thier survival skill.

3sec? Realy? So a sorc should be locked out of doing dmg for 3sec?! Just wth is people thinking?
If you have issues with shields, learn too play or if you dont want to, go sloads + shieldbreaker and go destroy shields.
There are NO issues with shield. They been nerfed and nerfed, but you guys wont be happy before a sorc is a free kill for everyone else, and then you go and call that balance. Nope!
Next time anyone wants too suggest a shield nerf, come with a *** replacement defence!

Sorc a free kill? Never seen such a thing with a good player and it should remain that way, BTW any class with a good player is never a free kill.

Kikke

Also; Nerf cloak: increased cost penalty, reduce duration and make it so that the NB makes a soumd while sneaking around you.

Nerf DKs wings with same treatment as cloak, and remove their blocking and healing passives.

Nerf templars healing! They can still survive after all those nerfs!

And at last! Nerf wardens reflect and selfhealing.


Now we can all go around without defence! Balanced!

CyrusArya

This is actually a great idea. Give this man a job ZOS.

Kadoin

davey1107 wrote: »

It’s not the worst idea. Shields have allowed certain builds to pump so much into resources and damage that they’re unkillable. Some sort of shield counter that doesn’t require a gear configuration would be consistent with other devuffs in the game...most other defensive capabilities have some sort of counter.

I didn't know you were supposed to be able to 1- or 2-shot everyone in Cyrodil because you were an NB. I didn't know you were also guaranteed the kill, even though if you fail you can simple roll + block -> cloak and escape almost any bad situation you are in, at least 1v1.

If you encounter someone you can't kill fast, and you know their heals and/or sustain is better than yours, then run. Otherwise, you know it will simply be a battle until your resources drop to zero. Shielded targets have no more advantage than you do in that situation, it's up to you to manage your stam better or play in a way that forces them to keep spamming shields and/or break free until they die. If you can't do that, then that's tough. Welcome to the struggle of every other class in PvP.

Nightfall12

kikkehs wrote: »

Nightfall12 wrote: »

Not behind this idea at all
But what could be an interesting skill and not sure if it could work without horrid abuse, but a skill that could reverse sheilds, Not quite like the templar skill, but you target a player nad suddenly thier on shield is a barrier that goes both ways. so any player in a shield would find that the shield stopped them from doing damage, Not reflecting it on themselves per say, but like for 3 seconds the "shield users attack hits their own shield instead of their target and if their burst was too big destroy the shield alltogether...casting a new shield would negate the effect.. bUt it would slow sheild stackers from going on the offensive without outright cheesing thier survival skill.

3sec? Realy? So a sorc should be locked out of doing dmg for 3sec?! Just wth is people thinking?
If you have issues with shields, learn too play or if you dont want to, go sloads + shieldbreaker and go destroy shields.
There are NO issues with shield. They been nerfed and nerfed, but you guys wont be happy before a sorc is a free kill for everyone else, and then you go and call that balance. Nope!
Next time anyone wants too suggest a shield nerf, come with a *** replacement defence!

if you look again I suggested the shield user could just recast to purge the effect, if they were paying attention they could negate it with a recast...i'm not trying to nerf sorcs i play a sorc, but id rather something like this rather than shieldbreaker or sloads, were you just die instead..

idk

There is already multiple sources of oblivion damage which is the biggest counter to shields outside of straight up good tactics. We do not need to add yet another.

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