50k dps spamming mouse click? What have you done ZOS?

Dragonnord

From Alcast:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4yuWOPkCGAI

So someone new to the game can just create a character, get to CP level, do the ww quest, run a couple of nCR to get Relequen and then just spam the mouse right button to get 50k dps?

Brb, I'll go tell my 5-year old nephew to come play TESO.
 

Sparr0w

Dragonnord wrote: »

From Alcast:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4yuWOPkCGAI

So someone new to the game can just create a character, get to CP level, do the ww quest, run a couple of nCR to get Relequen and then just spam the mouse right button to get 50k dps?

Brb, I'll go tell my 5-year old nephew to come play TESO.
 

Classes were doing 70k+ dps in the summerset PTS, give it time...

Guessing the gear would be perfected relequen, the new set that procs 50% LA dmg and speed, then stacking weapon damage and crit likely with infused/bloodthirsty jewellery. You'd also need fairly high CP to boost LA damage and direct damage attacks.

generalmyrick

that's a class rep showing us how to be good...

what's wrong with that?

DenMoria

Dragonnord wrote: »

From Alcast:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4yuWOPkCGAI

So someone new to the game can just create a character, get to CP level, do the ww quest, run a couple of nCR to get Relequen and then just spam the mouse right button to get 50k dps?

Brb, I'll go tell my 5-year old nephew to come play TESO.
 

Yes, and thank the Nine. I'm way to lazy to develop any real skill. This makes it easy. And it makes the game so much more accessible to we lazy casuals!

Thank you Zeni!

Dragonnord

Sparr0w wrote: »

Classes were doing 70k+ dps in the summerset PTS, give it time... Plus the speed of the attacks will be from the new monster set.

70k+! More on my favor then. After the Relequen part, add then "get the speed set"...
 

Sparr0w

Dragonnord wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Classes were doing 70k+ dps in the summerset PTS, give it time... Plus the speed of the attacks will be from the new monster set.

70k+! More on my favor then. After the Relequen part, add then "get the speed set"...
 

@Dragonnord

There's parses on youtube of magblades hitting like 72k dps during the summerset PTS before the changes to bloodthirsty and ele weapon. So WW will be nerfed a bit before live.

As for the set it's one of the new ones that i believe procs for 5 seconds with an 18 second cool down & increases both the speed and damage of your light attacks by 50%. Cant test or anything as I'm on console.

Dragonnord

Sparr0w wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Classes were doing 70k+ dps in the summerset PTS, give it time... Plus the speed of the attacks will be from the new monster set.

70k+! More on my favor then. After the Relequen part, add then "get the speed set"...
 

@Dragonnord

There's parses on youtube of magblades hitting like 72k dps during the summerset PTS before the changes to bloodthirsty and ele weapon. So WW will be nerfed a bit before live.

As for the set it's one of the new ones that i believe procs for 5 seconds with an 18 second cool down & increases both the speed and damage of your light attacks by 50%. Cant test or anything as I'm on console.

@Sparr0w You're not getting the point of the thread. NBs have a learned and skilled rotation, while the one in the video is a spam-light-attack "build".
 

Sparr0w

Dragonnord wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Classes were doing 70k+ dps in the summerset PTS, give it time... Plus the speed of the attacks will be from the new monster set.

70k+! More on my favor then. After the Relequen part, add then "get the speed set"...
 

@Dragonnord

There's parses on youtube of magblades hitting like 72k dps during the summerset PTS before the changes to bloodthirsty and ele weapon. So WW will be nerfed a bit before live.

As for the set it's one of the new ones that i believe procs for 5 seconds with an 18 second cool down & increases both the speed and damage of your light attacks by 50%. Cant test or anything as I'm on console.

@Sparr0w You're not getting the point of the thread. NBs have a learned and skilled rotation, while the one in the video is a spam-light-attack "build".
 

@Dragonnord Yes, just an example of something broken that they fixed pts before it went live.

Facefister

It's Relequen and not WW.

Dragonnord

Facefister wrote: »

It's Relequen and not WW.

Really? You sure non-ww toons can do 2.5 million light attack damage using Relequen like in this parse.


 

Violynne

Dragonnord wrote: »

Brb, I'll go tell my 5-year old nephew to come play TESO. 

Which is precisely what they want, because your 5 year old nephew will then go to mom and dad and ask for money for these things called "Crown Crates".

Facefister

Dragonnord wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

It's Relequen and not WW.

Really? You sure non-ww toons can do 2.5 million light attack damage using Relequen like in this parse.


 

I don't defend the "build" but I see ~10k dps just by the set.

KeiruNicrom

I don't see any problems here. WW is good. This is good. WW NB deserves this

Merlin13KAGL

He's obviously using macros, well macro.

Every time I think it can't be made worse, a Dev jumps up and says 'Surprise!'

Very hard not to lose faith in this game.

(As to my official stance, not a build in this game should be hitting 70k DPS.)

DocFrost72

Dragonnord wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

It's Relequen and not WW.

Really? You sure non-ww toons can do 2.5 million light attack damage using Relequen like in this parse.


 

I'd pull great dps with a full raid compliment too. Did his werewolf also use warhorn, SPC, fracture, and synergize his own werewolf ability?

Realistic look for this build sans 10k reli, and the new set people will need to farm come the update is around 35k-40k. That by the way, is a price you pay for absolutely horrid aoe/cleave damage. Add onto that that there is no chance in Oblivion you're stacking reli out of the crag trials or *maybe* a bit of HoF and you're looking at subpar dps as a single target gimmick.

But don't trust me, by all means nerf this. Adjust the werewolf pet damage, maybe reduce their light attacks again (yes, post summerset they never got a light attack increase despite everything but 2h getting buffed), take away their unique 10% da- oops, already did that. Well, I'm sure you can nerf the bleed too. It won't stop wolves from playing in your pugs, it'll just lower their dps to a cool 30k (with almost nonexistent aoe).

I can't believe I'm saying this, but this dummy parse is extra cheesy.

(Edited, response more clearly directed)

AhPook_Is_Here

What are you worried about though? where is this going to work other than vet dungeons and a few trial bosses that don't punish melee stacking? In PVP WWs will still get insta-gibbed in their transition, so i doubt you will see too many packs of WWs running around cryodiil beyond a few novel sessions. melee without gap closer and stealth is rough. Yes it will be nice against bosses in vet dungeons that don't use area denial.

Vapirko

He mentioned it’s a cheesed parse and not optimized.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

#skill

Tryxus

#dps4dummies

DenMoria

Tryxus wrote: »

#dps4dummies

Oh! Now I understand the purpose of all those practice dummies! Thank you!

Shantu

Oh goody! Another cheesy dps video.

Arciris

I don't get why people get upset about the level of "skill" required to achieve decent dps.
Why should i care if the guy next to me is spamming one button to achieve the same dps as I do by spamming 5? As long as I am having fun and they are having fun and we get to complete the content we both payed the same money for, what's the problem?
For some people "skilled" rotation is fun while for others it's a chore.
For some people easy rotations are fun while for others it's boring.
The game shouldn't exclude one type of players nor favor another type, The game should be as inclusive as possible, in order to thrive.

Cpt_Teemo

Dragonnord wrote: »

From Alcast:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4yuWOPkCGAI

So someone new to the game can just create a character, get to CP level, do the ww quest, run a couple of nCR to get Relequen and then just spam the mouse right button to get 50k dps?

Brb, I'll go tell my 5-year old nephew to come play TESO.
 

It was already easy before the Pts

Gravord

Wrobel finally build gameplay with skill cap he always desired. 5 buttons hotbar was too much to comprehend, lets reduce it to 1 button spam. Goal achieved.

Qbiken

Arciris wrote: »

I don't get why people get upset about the level of "skill" required to achieve decent dps.
Why should i care if the guy next to me is spamming one button to achieve the same dps as I do by spamming 5? As long as I am having fun and they are having fun and we get to complete the content we both payed the same money for, what's the problem?
For some people "skilled" rotation is fun while for others it's a chore.
For some people easy rotations are fun while for others it's boring.
The game shouldn't exclude one type of players nor favor another type, The game should be as inclusive as possible, in order to thrive.

This player gets it

Gravord

Arciris wrote: »

I don't get why people get upset about the level of "skill" required to achieve decent dps.
Why should i care if the guy next to me is spamming one button to achieve the same dps as I do by spamming 5? As long as I am having fun and they are having fun and we get to complete the content we both payed the same money for, what's the problem?
For some people "skilled" rotation is fun while for others it's a chore.
For some people easy rotations are fun while for others it's boring.
The game shouldn't exclude one type of players nor favor another type, The game should be as inclusive as possible, in order to thrive.

Fun of spamming 1 button? daamn, thats advanced level. Just set macro to spam your 1 button and go take a nap or watch a movie, you dont participate and dont put any effort anyway.
Yes game should exlude baddies from doing high damage numbers. Its called fair system where effort put is equal to results achieved. If complete no effort gives max result its broken system not worth playing.

Arciris

Gravord wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

I don't get why people get upset about the level of "skill" required to achieve decent dps.
Why should i care if the guy next to me is spamming one button to achieve the same dps as I do by spamming 5? As long as I am having fun and they are having fun and we get to complete the content we both payed the same money for, what's the problem?
For some people "skilled" rotation is fun while for others it's a chore.
For some people easy rotations are fun while for others it's boring.
The game shouldn't exclude one type of players nor favor another type, The game should be as inclusive as possible, in order to thrive.

Fun of spamming 1 button? daamn, thats advanced level. Just set macro to spam your 1 button and go take a nap or watch a movie, you dont participate and dont put any effort anyway.
Yes game should exlude baddies from doing high damage numbers. Its called fair system where effort put is equal to results achieved. If complete no effort gives max result its broken system not worth playing.

You can't AFK vet trials or vet DLC dungeons. They are mechanics that require "skill" to respect in a timely manner. block, roll dodge, heal, rez an ally, interrupt, kite, etc.
Plus you still need to obtain those precious CP and farm for that neat gear, so lots of effort already.
And the game already punishes "baddies" (Stand-in-Red kind of player) with a death sentence.
And to each their own, I personally don't think it's particularly fun to spam one button but it doesn't upset me if someone else does.

Gravord

Arciris wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

I don't get why people get upset about the level of "skill" required to achieve decent dps.
Why should i care if the guy next to me is spamming one button to achieve the same dps as I do by spamming 5? As long as I am having fun and they are having fun and we get to complete the content we both payed the same money for, what's the problem?
For some people "skilled" rotation is fun while for others it's a chore.
For some people easy rotations are fun while for others it's boring.
The game shouldn't exclude one type of players nor favor another type, The game should be as inclusive as possible, in order to thrive.

Fun of spamming 1 button? daamn, thats advanced level. Just set macro to spam your 1 button and go take a nap or watch a movie, you dont participate and dont put any effort anyway.
Yes game should exlude baddies from doing high damage numbers. Its called fair system where effort put is equal to results achieved. If complete no effort gives max result its broken system not worth playing.

You can't AFK vet trials or vet DLC dungeons. They are mechanics that require "skill" to respect in a timely manner. block, roll dodge, heal, rez an ally, interrupt, kite, etc.
Plus you still need to obtain those precious CP and farm for that neat gear, so lots of effort already.
And the game already punishes "baddies" (Stand-in-Red kind of player) with a death sentence.
And to each their own, I personally don't think it's particularly fun to spam one button but it doesn't upset me if someone else does.

Even shooters take more than 1 button spam. If supposed mmo goes to that level its just failure of design team, in this case not the first one ofc.

Arciris

Gravord wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

I don't get why people get upset about the level of "skill" required to achieve decent dps.
Why should i care if the guy next to me is spamming one button to achieve the same dps as I do by spamming 5? As long as I am having fun and they are having fun and we get to complete the content we both payed the same money for, what's the problem?
For some people "skilled" rotation is fun while for others it's a chore.
For some people easy rotations are fun while for others it's boring.
The game shouldn't exclude one type of players nor favor another type, The game should be as inclusive as possible, in order to thrive.

Fun of spamming 1 button? daamn, thats advanced level. Just set macro to spam your 1 button and go take a nap or watch a movie, you dont participate and dont put any effort anyway.
Yes game should exlude baddies from doing high damage numbers. Its called fair system where effort put is equal to results achieved. If complete no effort gives max result its broken system not worth playing.

You can't AFK vet trials or vet DLC dungeons. They are mechanics that require "skill" to respect in a timely manner. block, roll dodge, heal, rez an ally, interrupt, kite, etc.
Plus you still need to obtain those precious CP and farm for that neat gear, so lots of effort already.
And the game already punishes "baddies" (Stand-in-Red kind of player) with a death sentence.
And to each their own, I personally don't think it's particularly fun to spam one button but it doesn't upset me if someone else does.

Even shooters take more than 1 button spam. If supposed mmo goes to that level its just failure of design team, in this case not the first one ofc.

Watch the video, you'll see there are more buttons involved than just left click, And this is against dummies, in real game situation, you still need to block, dodge heal, etc....

Doctordarkspawn

Lol.

So much hate for casuals which is ironic considering the werewolf gear takes -alot- of itemization grinding.

Qbiken

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Lol.

So much hate for casuals which is ironic considering the werewolf gear took -alot- of itemization grinding.

Fixed that for you