Stamplar PVP - am I doing it wrong?

Valabrog

Hello, pvpers,

Im having some issues with my stamplar (apart from known lack of stamina sustain) and cant understand am I moving in the wrong or correct direction (BG). Im not a complete PVP newbie, but never tried to learn it on a more competitive level. Now I have decided to play 1 character and to focus on mastering it. So maybe someone could give me some insight

I have stamplar (CP 320) and my current and preferred build is heavy armor (5+1+1) with 2h (POTL, jabs, stamp, exe, rally) and shield (heal/support). Running 5 Pirates (jewels, 5 Akaviri, 2 Bloodspawn) for stamina pool, survivability and ultima gen (it generates extremely fast, so DB almost always up and ready). I know min maxers would say to swap Akaviri, but hey, it maybe be a difference in duel between equal enemies, but I rarely run in such situation in BG.

1. So the first question - could this build work on competitive level? I mean if I play such setup for months and get better in general, could I best the other popular setups or this build is more like a learning turtle for beginner? I dont mean any exact type of PVP, I mean overall, as I will definitely play the same build in duels, Cyro or BG and will try to do my best with it.

2. Second question - how come that in the most Youtube popular build with 2h/dw (full medium with Pirates) I got wrecked in BG extremely hard and so many times per day that I cant count. And it feels very clunky to me - no gap closer, no real execute. People write that POTL should count as execute, but In the middle of the fight, where 8 players brawl, its so hard to land it on wanted enemy and perform craze+jabs spam combo. I have no issue with stamina pool, but have problem not being able to stick to the enemy and no spamable execute. Is this build requires more experience to perform good or its just a best possible solution from the overall bad stamplar build pool?

Should I switch to stamblade? I played it a bit and even without proper experience Im can sit and weave possible kill combos in my thoughts, while the stamplar have 1 combo and it seems very predictable - like "hey, I have that beam on my head - OK, now the jabs will come in, so why not to use uppercut in that window?" If the newb like me could think about such counterattack, how predictable I am for the Ouch.

So I just want to hear your opinions and where I am wrong or write - in my current guild arent many PVPers who have more experience than me lol, so kinda hard to know where I stand on a food chain. With my current build I usually get the most kills in my team and the lowest dmg (always 3-4 position). Sometimes, of course, in team I see a 750 person who goes for 20/2 and does double damage than the others (and its always a caster).

Alucu

1. The problem with akaviri dragonguard is the stats it provides, and the set has an utility which could really be adressed by using other sets such as bloodspawn or werewolf hide. If ultimate is a priority for you, try those.

2. Execute surely is optional but I do like to run it anyway, you can use it (Although you need to run shield+2h, or 2h+dw) Here my advice would be to work on your positioning. Strategy does count, is not the same to face all the opponents head on than to approach from an advantageous direction, such as their backs or having the higher ground (Obi wan did knew what he was doing)

Don't give up on Stamplar! Remember it has awesome utilities like extended ritual to cleanse Sload, Haunting curse and other thingies. You'll need to introduce some sort of mobility into the build since Templars barely have any, good options can be mist form, coward's gear or swift jewelry

Best of luck

LegendaryMage

If you were a DK then ulty gen builds would benefit you more, otherwise for a stamplar you want more of 'else', in this case stats and recoveries. Stamplars can be tricky to play so don't worry, you're not alone there.

caeliusstarbreaker

Since I don’t know what gear you have I would say as a blanket build bone pirate fortified brass and whatever monster set you in medium armor should help a little. You can run the gear with whichever wpns you want.

cazlonb16_ESO

Queue with a fixed group or reroll. Stamplar is one of the worst builds for soloing, surpassed only by MagDen.

UppGRAYxDD

Roll an argonian stamplar and run infused potion cooldown jewelry, go Werewolf, and run medium fortified brass armor with either mighty chudan/troll king/bloodspawn...

Vynist

Just as FYI, stamplars are very hard to play solo. I think this is evidenced by the lack of (true) 1vX open world stamplar players. Not impossible though.

If you have 1 or 2 friends though (even better with more people), stamplars are incredibly strong. Just stack max stam/weapon dmg and don't worry about regen as much and jabjabjab people and watch them melt.

For solo, the biggest thing is trying to find the balance between regen and dmg. When I have no sustain, that's the only time I can "melt" people and people are actually scared of my jabs. When I have anything over 2k regen, I find that I lack dmg. Still working on it though, will try to farm automaton set.

CatchMeTrolling

Vynist wrote: »

Just as FYI, stamplars are very hard to play solo. I think this is evidenced by the lack of (true) 1vX open world stamplar players. Not impossible though.

If you have 1 or 2 friends though (even better with more people), stamplars are incredibly strong. Just stack max stam/weapon dmg and don't worry about regen as much and jabjabjab people and watch them melt.

For solo, the biggest thing is trying to find the balance between regen and dmg. When I have no sustain, that's the only time I can "melt" people and people are actually scared of my jabs. When I have anything over 2k regen, I find that I lack dmg. Still working on it though, will try to farm automaton set.

Building for no regen is asking to get killed. No point in doing that when you can have 2k regen and still get 4K weapon damage. Once you get accustomed to sustain the real issues is the clunkiness and approach stamplars must take. Good damage but must be directed and really inconvenient for solo when you’re constantly on the move.

But when the stars align stamplars are deadly.

Valabrog

Thanks for all the tips. Gonna rethink my future I know stam dk and stam sorc isnt in a good spot for a long time..It seems that caster classes rule...they can simply stand in pack near the flag and ha anything in range - usually im dead if i charge in, after stampede animation ends If you are defending the flag, you are half dead or without half of stamina even on their way to you lol. And those 750s..

Waffennacht

Stam sorc is ballin right now
It's right up there with Stamwardens and Stam NB

Stamplar I just started running, but ATM I went with automaton and axiom and slimecraw.

I'll tweak it as I go

Lexxypwns

Stamplar is very very strong in small scale and BGs.

If you’re running heavy and rally the you have no snare immunity. No snare immunity is difficult to deal with when you have a cone aoe spammable. It also prevents you from properly kiting, forcing you to eat damage with no real option to heal it.

Build lots of damage, this will also boost your healing. I really like 5 Truth back bar 5 Bone Pirate 2 Troll King Masters DW, but that won’t work in BGs since you won’t be setting people off balance with tactician so you would need a different back bar option

CyrusArya

Stamplar is one of the tougher specs to play well. You have to get a proper feel for how to deal and mitigate damage effectively on the class while being able to sustain, and that only comes with time. Experience is the best teacher. Furthermore, unlike some other classes, you have to make trade offs in your build to achieve desirable results. Damage, mitigation, sustain- pick two. The other will have to be compensated for thru performance. Now, in my experience, the preferable route to go with that in mind is building for damage and mit in medium armor.

Dual Wield/2h builds are preferred by most high end stamplars as the dot pressure has great synergy with the overall offensive scheme of the stamplar, accentuating the high sustained pressure and filling up power of the light. But it is a more glassy play style and might not be something you enjoy much if you feel you are dying too quickly. 2h/sword and board can also be strong and is a safer option that trades damage for survivability.

Moving on to sets specifically, I’ll keep it honest with you, no your build is not gonna be competitive. Bone Pirate is an ok set, but akiviri dragonguard has no place in the conversation. I would recommend the fortified brass set paired with a damage set (automaton, 7th, clever alch, spriggans, hundings etc..). But given how you describe your own performance and experience, I would probably go the safest route which is bone pirate and fortified brass which will be less damage but allow you to sustain and mitigate. Cus you cant do any damage at all if you're dead or out of juice. Then in time you can gravitate to a more refined spec.

But really....if you wanna just have fun and aren't too invested in Stamplar, just play an easier class like stamblade or stam warden. Seems like these classes embody the play style you're going for better anyways.

Thogard

Run heavy armor and a gap closer until you get more comfortable with kiting, target selection, burst, etc.

When you watch a stamplar vid where they go 30-0 in a BG, keep in mind that those guys are experts at reading a situation. They won’t go into fights unless they think they can either win or get away safely if something goes wrong. The biggest issue new players have is not that they’re losing fights that a good player can win, it’s that they’re starting fights that a good player would avoid.

Reading the situation takes time. Don’t run medium on a stamplar unless one of the sets is impreg or brass (pref impreg). Some of the builds you see on YouTube are designed to be played with a healer in the group. And some of them are designed by bad players who don’t know what they’re talking about. And some of them, like Kiri’s, are designed by exceptionally talented players but are not nearly as easy or effective for newer players that don’t know how to counter certain big dmg bursts.

akredon_ESO

In PVP i have been running 5 ravager 5 spriggans, 2 handed and bow. I have come to find out that for the best case running of Stamplar around 2k stamina regen is needed with around 3kish weapon damage to be effective against other targets.

5 impen ravager

5 spriggans with Regen enchants. Nirn 2handed Mace, Sharpened bow (havent nirned my bow yet)

Mundus Serpent.

Food lava Lava Foot Soup-And-Saltrice

i tend to run with 25k hp and 30k stamina

Main bar 2handed bar is typicaly Jabs Execute Charge POTL FM

Bow bar poisoninjection Drainingshot, lingeringflair, extended Rit, vigor.

Like everyone else said Setting your self up is key to success and the bigest thing i feel like with Templars is our Stam regen. once you get that to a comfy number then work on everything else.

Hope this helps !

Valabrog

Thanks for proper replies people - gonna do some changes to my templar Actually tried to play stamden or stamblade, but both have animations which i dont like..while stamplar is perfect for my taste.

Waffennacht

Valabrog wrote: »

Thanks for proper replies people - gonna do some changes to my templar Actually tried to play stamden or stamblade, but both have animations which i dont like..while stamplar is perfect for my taste.

I love it when someone sticks with what they enjoy

Always bugs me when someone gives up a class.

Way to go!

Ragnaroek93

Play dual wield with axes (bleeds) and with Impreg Armor instead of Dragonguard (maybe Brass is better in no CP but I doubt it since Impreg has the highest stat density in the game). Also use speed pots. Would go for high damage and not so much regen, so kind of a duel build, sadly stamplar is completely terrible on anything which isn't a duel build currently.

Lexxypwns

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Play dual wield with axes (bleeds) and with Impreg Armor instead of Dragonguard (maybe Brass is better in no CP but I doubt it since Impreg has the highest stat density in the game). Also use speed pots. Would go for high damage and not so much regen, so kind of a duel build, sadly stamplar is completely terrible on anything which isn't a duel build currently.

I’d use 1 Axe 1 dagger. The extra damage from the second Axe is outdone by a dagger, which offers more damage on a Stamplar than it would on sorc, DK, or warden because of the native 1.6 CHD

Valabrog

So my setup for now will be this:

64 into stamina (some enchants with HP). 1250 crit resistance (5 pieces) - is that enough for no CP?)

5 Bone Pirate, 5 Brass, 2 Bloodspawn (5+1+1 or all medium)
Axe main hand (Nirn), dagger offhand, 2h sword (Nirn).

Main bar: craze, potl, jabs, javelin, vigor, DB.
Support: stampede, fm, focus, ritual, repent, Remembrance.

Comoran drink.
~3000 weapon dmg (with fm buff), ~2000 stamina recovery.

Decided to go Brass because its cheap to craft and good for testing. If it will work, gonna invest into followup sets with more dmg...
Burst rotation i imagine could be only - charge in, swap, craze, potl, (holding block after charge to avoid usual knocback/stun), jabs jabs jabs. Than gonna try to heal up and run.......:D

Edit: actually i would love to have execute along with stampede..but restoring focus is a must have? Having in mind will be buffed very soon..

Waffennacht

Valabrog wrote: »

So my setup for now will be this:

64 into stamina (some enchants with HP). 1250 crit resistance (5 pieces) - is that enough for no CP?)

5 Bone Pirate, 5 Brass, 2 Bloodspawn (5+1+1 or all medium)
Axe main hand (Nirn), dagger offhand, 2h sword (Nirn).

Main bar: craze, potl, jabs, javelin, vigor, DB.
Support: stampede, fm, focus, ritual, repent, Remembrance.

Comoran drink.
~3000 weapon dmg (with fm buff), ~2000 stamina recovery.

Decided to go Brass because its cheap to craft and good for testing. If it will work, gonna invest into followup sets with more dmg...
Burst rotation i imagine could be only - charge in, swap, craze, potl, (holding block after charge to avoid usual knocback/stun), jabs jabs jabs. Than gonna try to heal up and run.......:D

It will work and should do well. Try and prioritize targets. Aim for the softer targets first, and maybe ignore the tankier opponents

Ragnaroek93

Valabrog wrote: »

So my setup for now will be this:

64 into stamina (some enchants with HP). 1250 crit resistance (5 pieces) - is that enough for no CP?)

5 Bone Pirate, 5 Brass, 2 Bloodspawn (5+1+1 or all medium)
Axe main hand (Nirn), dagger offhand, 2h sword (Nirn).

Main bar: craze, potl, jabs, javelin, vigor, DB.
Support: stampede, fm, focus, ritual, repent, Remembrance.

Comoran drink.
~3000 weapon dmg (with fm buff), ~2000 stamina recovery.

Decided to go Brass because its cheap to craft and good for testing. If it will work, gonna invest into followup sets with more dmg...
Burst rotation i imagine could be only - charge in, swap, craze, potl, (holding block after charge to avoid usual knocback/stun), jabs jabs jabs. Than gonna try to heal up and run.......:D

Edit: actually i would love to have execute along with stampede..but restoring focus is a must have? Having in mind will be buffed very soon..

Go for axe on 2hand bar as well, the bleeds can stack. Also don't forget to kite around rocks, trees (fight in towers) with speed pots, otherwise you will just explode against more than one opponent since line of sight is your only defense which scales with the number of opponents you have (can't block, can't roll much etc).

Valabrog

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Valabrog wrote: »

So my setup for now will be this:

64 into stamina (some enchants with HP). 1250 crit resistance (5 pieces) - is that enough for no CP?)

5 Bone Pirate, 5 Brass, 2 Bloodspawn (5+1+1 or all medium)
Axe main hand (Nirn), dagger offhand, 2h sword (Nirn).

Main bar: craze, potl, jabs, javelin, vigor, DB.
Support: stampede, fm, focus, ritual, repent, Remembrance.

Comoran drink.
~3000 weapon dmg (with fm buff), ~2000 stamina recovery.

Decided to go Brass because its cheap to craft and good for testing. If it will work, gonna invest into followup sets with more dmg...
Burst rotation i imagine could be only - charge in, swap, craze, potl, (holding block after charge to avoid usual knocback/stun), jabs jabs jabs. Than gonna try to heal up and run.......:D

Edit: actually i would love to have execute along with stampede..but restoring focus is a must have? Having in mind will be buffed very soon..

Go for axe on 2hand bar as well, the bleeds can stack. Also don't forget to kite around rocks, trees (fight in towers) with speed pots, otherwise you will just explode against more than one opponent since line of sight is your only defense which scales with the number of opponents you have (can't block, can't roll much etc).

Actually Im a bit confused with 2h choices - no matter how much i google, i cant find "best" recommendation. Some people goes for extra damage, some for maul penetration, some for bleeds..

casparian

Valabrog wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Valabrog wrote: »

So my setup for now will be this:

64 into stamina (some enchants with HP). 1250 crit resistance (5 pieces) - is that enough for no CP?)

5 Bone Pirate, 5 Brass, 2 Bloodspawn (5+1+1 or all medium)
Axe main hand (Nirn), dagger offhand, 2h sword (Nirn).

Main bar: craze, potl, jabs, javelin, vigor, DB.
Support: stampede, fm, focus, ritual, repent, Remembrance.

Comoran drink.
~3000 weapon dmg (with fm buff), ~2000 stamina recovery.

Decided to go Brass because its cheap to craft and good for testing. If it will work, gonna invest into followup sets with more dmg...
Burst rotation i imagine could be only - charge in, swap, craze, potl, (holding block after charge to avoid usual knocback/stun), jabs jabs jabs. Than gonna try to heal up and run.......:D

Edit: actually i would love to have execute along with stampede..but restoring focus is a must have? Having in mind will be buffed very soon..

Go for axe on 2hand bar as well, the bleeds can stack. Also don't forget to kite around rocks, trees (fight in towers) with speed pots, otherwise you will just explode against more than one opponent since line of sight is your only defense which scales with the number of opponents you have (can't block, can't roll much etc).

Actually Im a bit confused with 2h choices - no matter how much i google, i cant find "best" recommendation. Some people goes for extra damage, some for maul penetration, some for bleeds..

That's because there is no best option. They're all good in different situations and different setups. The choice isn't going to make or break your build.

LegendaryMage

Valabrog wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Valabrog wrote: »

So my setup for now will be this:

64 into stamina (some enchants with HP). 1250 crit resistance (5 pieces) - is that enough for no CP?)

5 Bone Pirate, 5 Brass, 2 Bloodspawn (5+1+1 or all medium)
Axe main hand (Nirn), dagger offhand, 2h sword (Nirn).

Main bar: craze, potl, jabs, javelin, vigor, DB.
Support: stampede, fm, focus, ritual, repent, Remembrance.

Comoran drink.
~3000 weapon dmg (with fm buff), ~2000 stamina recovery.

Decided to go Brass because its cheap to craft and good for testing. If it will work, gonna invest into followup sets with more dmg...
Burst rotation i imagine could be only - charge in, swap, craze, potl, (holding block after charge to avoid usual knocback/stun), jabs jabs jabs. Than gonna try to heal up and run.......:D

Edit: actually i would love to have execute along with stampede..but restoring focus is a must have? Having in mind will be buffed very soon..

Go for axe on 2hand bar as well, the bleeds can stack. Also don't forget to kite around rocks, trees (fight in towers) with speed pots, otherwise you will just explode against more than one opponent since line of sight is your only defense which scales with the number of opponents you have (can't block, can't roll much etc).

Actually Im a bit confused with 2h choices - no matter how much i google, i cant find "best" recommendation. Some people goes for extra damage, some for maul penetration, some for bleeds..

You don't want bleeds outside of anything than a duel, you're better off with more upfront damage in most situations in Cyro or BGs. Bleeds are strong, but they mean nothing if your playstyle demands hit & run.

I personally love using a sharpened maul and a armor debuff + some CPs into pen, the damage is just awesome when you can take away most of your enemy's resistance.

The only downside is shields. Against those a nirnhoned sword does wonders, but then that's weaker against stam.

Good middle ground option is a nirnhoned maul or sharpened sword, whatever does more. Same goes for dual wield basically. I'm not a fan of daggers in PVP though.

Thunderknuckles

I've been leveling a Stamplar, myself, but was told they're in a bad place right now and that Magplar is MUCH stronger. Is this true? Should I reallocate my atts?

HackTheMinotaur

Thogard wrote: »

When you watch a stamplar vid where they go 30-0 in a BG, keep in mind that those guys are experts at reading a situation. They won’t go into fights unless they think they can either win or get away safely if something goes wrong. The biggest issue new players have is not that they’re losing fights that a good player can win, it’s that they’re starting fights that a good player would avoid

Lots of good comments here, but if you read nothing else read this. Any class will get wrecked in BGs until you learn how to innately survive and pick food fights. The class is irrelevant. Play what you like but focus on survivability first. Kills will come later.

I have a very survivable build on my channel that may help. Check it out before you ditch Stamplar completely.

https://youtu.be/2X7xin6A-LQ

Lexxypwns

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

I've been leveling a Stamplar, myself, but was told they're in a bad place right now and that Magplar is MUCH stronger. Is this true? Should I reallocate my atts?

Magplar is hard to get solo kills with. It’s arguably the most important spec for small group though, but if you’ve got a Stamplar to offer purifies then magden support is more viable

Thunderknuckles

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

I've been leveling a Stamplar, myself, but was told they're in a bad place right now and that Magplar is MUCH stronger. Is this true? Should I reallocate my atts?

Magplar is hard to get solo kills with. It’s arguably the most important spec for small group though, but if you’ve got a Stamplar to offer purifies then magden support is more viable

But Stamplar is still viable for solo or open world? Thanks for answer, too. I had a good fight versus a Templar last night (I assume stam) who ended up winning after nearly two minutes. He used ye olde bleeds on meh. ha ha Love those unmitigatable dots.

Waffennacht

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

I've been leveling a Stamplar, myself, but was told they're in a bad place right now and that Magplar is MUCH stronger. Is this true? Should I reallocate my atts?

Magplar is hard to get solo kills with. It’s arguably the most important spec for small group though, but if you’ve got a Stamplar to offer purifies then magden support is more viable

But Stamplar is still viable for solo or open world? Thanks for answer, too. I had a good fight versus a Templar last night (I assume stam) who ended up winning after nearly two minutes. He used ye olde bleeds on meh. ha ha Love those unmitigatable dots.

Well resistance ignoring dots

After playing stamplar a bit. I'm meh when compared to the other class (all but DK lol)

Not even all that gun *** for the mag version when compared to about half the mag line up.

I think I'll just stick with my other PvP toons.

Not the biggest fan of the lack of dots (primarily Stam based class - as in none) or PbAoEs or stuns. Which other classes have.

I also so the sustain issues. Which other classes in the same gear don't have.

He's gonna be a PvE class me thinks

Valabrog

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

When you watch a stamplar vid where they go 30-0 in a BG, keep in mind that those guys are experts at reading a situation. They won’t go into fights unless they think they can either win or get away safely if something goes wrong. The biggest issue new players have is not that they’re losing fights that a good player can win, it’s that they’re starting fights that a good player would avoid

Lots of good comments here, but if you read nothing else read this. Any class will get wrecked in BGs until you learn how to innately survive and pick food fights. The class is irrelevant. Play what you like but focus on survivability first. Kills will come later.

I have a very survivable build on my channel that may help. Check it out before you ditch Stamplar completely.

https://youtu.be/2X7xin6A-LQ

Great guide. Actually I found there what Im usually missing from those popular tubers - they give either pure gameplay video or pure build video without any real field action. I think any sane person would want to see both in the same video..to understand how does it works in reality and how do you achieve that.

Thanks