What Wolfhunter set will be nerfed first ?

WeylandLabs

If not bugged, what set or sets do you feel will be complained about the most. And or asked to be nerfed or reworked.

Also please explain why it should be nerfed or reworked, and if you tested it or not already on the PTS ?

Thank you for your submission.

Chrysa1is

Moon Hunter (Light) 2: Spell Damage 3: Spell Damage 4: Spell Critical 5: When your alchemical poison fires, increase your Spell Damage by 600 for 6 seconds.

Moon Hunter if anything

600 spell damage
+1000 damage from new monster set if your ult is overload (costs 500)
+Another spell damage set like Rattlecage (adds spell damage AND increases spell damage by 20%)

THEN
+Nirnhoned trait staff (if that works)
+Sorcery Pot (20% more spell damage)

That build is the ultimate glass cannon

Sparr0w

None: All seem pretty balanced.

None all seem... meh

Sparr0w

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Easily Moon Hunter

600 spell damage
+1000 damage from new monster set if your ult is overload (costs 500)
+Another spell damage set like Rattlecage (adds spell damage AND increases spell damage by 20%)

Spell damage that relies on poisons... didn't know anyone used poisons on a mag character?

Chrysa1is

Moon Hunter (Light) 2: Spell Damage 3: Spell Damage 4: Spell Critical 5: When your alchemical poison fires, increase your Spell Damage by 600 for 6 seconds.

Sparr0w wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Easily Moon Hunter

600 spell damage
+1000 damage from new monster set if your ult is overload (costs 500)
+Another spell damage set like Rattlecage (adds spell damage AND increases spell damage by 20%)

Spell damage that relies on poisons... didn't know anyone used poisons on a mag character?

poisons proc well. id invest in it if i used magic. and ive seen quitr a few mag chars use poison

Exalted_Goose

Balorgh (Monster Mask) 1: Weapon Damage 1: Spell Damage 2: When you use an Ultimate ability, you gain Weapon and Spell Damage for 10 seconds equal to twice the amount of total Ultimate consumed.

As if Incap wasn't strong enough...

Bigevilpeter

None: All seem pretty balanced.

None of them seem really viable in real situations at all, only one worth getting a try is moonhunter and that requires a poison on both bars for full effect which drops a lot of dps.

You already lose around 400 spell damage when you slot a poison over the infused backbar

Sparr0w

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Exalted_Goose wrote: »

As if Incap wasn't strong enough...

Incap would give you a whopping 140 weapon/spell damage at about 75% uptime

EDIT: Gives both.

Exalted_Goose

Balorgh (Monster Mask) 1: Weapon Damage 1: Spell Damage 2: When you use an Ultimate ability, you gain Weapon and Spell Damage for 10 seconds equal to twice the amount of total Ultimate consumed.

Sparr0w wrote: »

Incap would give you a whopping 140 spell damage at about 75% uptime

Every little helps. Coupled with that 20% damage increase to the affected target... ehh, I don't know, it's too early for my brain to function properly...

[EDIT]: Someone do the maths for this, please.

Sparr0w

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

None of them seem really viable in real situations at all, only one worth getting a try is moonhunter and that requires a poison on both bars for full effect which drops a lot of dps.

You already lose around 400 spell damage when you slot a poison over the infused backbar

Yep plus it's poisons on a mag character. I'd say the heroism after revives would be nice, but in a good groups with no/minimal deaths it's irrelevant.

Sparr0w

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Moon Hunter if anything

600 spell damage
+1000 damage from new monster set if your ult is overload (costs 500)
+Another spell damage set like Rattlecage (adds spell damage AND increases spell damage by 20%)

THEN
+Nirnhoned trait staff (if that works)
+Sorcery Pot (20% more spell damage)

That build is the ultimate glass cannon

You know rattlecage & sorcery pots don't stack right?

Chrysa1is

Moon Hunter (Light) 2: Spell Damage 3: Spell Damage 4: Spell Critical 5: When your alchemical poison fires, increase your Spell Damage by 600 for 6 seconds.

Sparr0w wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Moon Hunter if anything

600 spell damage
+1000 damage from new monster set if your ult is overload (costs 500)
+Another spell damage set like Rattlecage (adds spell damage AND increases spell damage by 20%)

THEN
+Nirnhoned trait staff (if that works)
+Sorcery Pot (20% more spell damage)

That build is the ultimate glass cannon

You know rattlecage & sorcery pots don't stack right?

i didnt actually. LOL

Sparr0w

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Moon Hunter if anything

600 spell damage
+1000 damage from new monster set if your ult is overload (costs 500)
+Another spell damage set like Rattlecage (adds spell damage AND increases spell damage by 20%)

THEN
+Nirnhoned trait staff (if that works)
+Sorcery Pot (20% more spell damage)

That build is the ultimate glass cannon

You know rattlecage & sorcery pots don't stack right?

i didnt actually. LOL

Yup Major/Major or Minor/Minor buffs dont stack. Since both give Major Sorcery they're not going to stack
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Buffs

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Sparr0w wrote: »

None all seem... meh

Don't say that. If ZOS feels the new sets are underwhelming, they will simply nerf existing sets to make them appear better. They did that to mechanical acuity when people complained the cloudrest gear was underwhelming.

Sparr0w

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

None all seem... meh

Don't say that. If ZOS feels the new sets are underwhelming, they will simply nerf existing sets to make them appear better. They did that to mechanical acuity when people complained the cloudrest gear was underwhelming.

Nerfed mech buffed trial sets... Hmm ZOS nerf sloads and buff these?

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Two or more sets will be nerfed.

Savage Werewolf and Balorgh will get nerfed. Imagine all the QQing in PvP when someone figures out to use both of those sets together.

GreenSoup2HoT

Blood Moon (Medium) 2: Weapon Damage 3: Weapon Critical 4: Weapon Critical 5: When you deal Critical Damage with a melee Light Attack, you gain a stack of Blood Scent for 8 seconds. When you gain 5 stacks, you become Frenzied for 5 seconds, increasing your melee Light Attack damage by 50% and attack speed by 50%. This effect can occur every 18 seconds.

DW light attack build yes please.

WeylandLabs

None: All seem pretty balanced.

@GreenSoup2HoT Just setting things up .... Sorry about your nb balance update, I wouldn't call it a nerf, but I saw that coming. Kinda like what you see i been doing. Just becuase I'm not in the game doesn't mean I stop playing.

There is a reason behind all my madness. I'd say stay ahead of the game, but players have gotten lazy.

Wolfhunter is mine !

josiahva

Because they are all just as OP as the last sets that have been nerfed. Seriously though, someone will start whining and something will be nerfed, just how it goes. So much easier to whine endlessly on forums about sets than just adapt. These sets dont seem OP...but neither did Sload's or Viper's, it all depends on how many people wear them and if they appear on other player's death recaps. If they dont appear on that recap, they will never be nerfed regardless of how powerful they are.

essi2

Moon Hunter (Light) 2: Spell Damage 3: Spell Damage 4: Spell Critical 5: When your alchemical poison fires, increase your Spell Damage by 600 for 6 seconds.

Only one that seems to maybe be abit OP.

Sloads needs more work still though.

Waffennacht

None: All seem pretty balanced.

None

Unit117

Balorgh (Monster Mask) 1: Weapon Damage 1: Spell Damage 2: When you use an Ultimate ability, you gain Weapon and Spell Damage for 10 seconds equal to twice the amount of total Ultimate consumed.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

None all seem... meh

Don't say that. If ZOS feels the new sets are underwhelming, they will simply nerf existing sets to make them appear better. They did that to mechanical acuity when people complained the cloudrest gear was underwhelming.

They did that because everyone and their mother was wearing mechanical acuity lol

Unit117

Balorgh (Monster Mask) 1: Weapon Damage 1: Spell Damage 2: When you use an Ultimate ability, you gain Weapon and Spell Damage for 10 seconds equal to twice the amount of total Ultimate consumed.

Balorgh. That’s about 600+ Weapon and spell damage on Destro ult. That kinda scares me lol destrobombers will probably have a field day with that

JinMori

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Sparr0w wrote: »

Exalted_Goose wrote: »

As if Incap wasn't strong enough...

Incap would give you a whopping 140 weapon/spell damage at about 75% uptime

EDIT: Gives both.

it;s not that good

JinMori

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

None all seem... meh

Don't say that. If ZOS feels the new sets are underwhelming, they will simply nerf existing sets to make them appear better. They did that to mechanical acuity when people complained the cloudrest gear was underwhelming.

To be fair, they did buff cloudrest sets, even though they nerfed mechanical.

Ankael07

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Moon Hunter if anything

600 spell damage
+1000 damage from new monster set if your ult is overload (costs 500)
+Another spell damage set like Rattlecage (adds spell damage AND increases spell damage by 20%)

THEN
+Nirnhoned trait staff (if that works)
+Sorcery Pot (20% more spell damage)

That build is the ultimate glass cannon

The set requires ultimate consumed not max ulti at the time.

JinMori

None: All seem pretty balanced.

All of these sets are pretty bad, they may look good on paper, but they are situational, no mag dps is gonna drop an enchant for a poison, when they can just get siroria/bsw etc....

Skullstachio

Balorgh (Monster Mask) 1: Weapon Damage 1: Spell Damage 2: When you use an Ultimate ability, you gain Weapon and Spell Damage for 10 seconds equal to twice the amount of total Ultimate consumed.

I can only imagine how it would play out with overload sorcerers. (Counting the fact that overload is a toggle which can mean serious uptime.)

DenMoria

You forgot the "all of them" option. Lord knows somebody will be whining about every one of them almost immediately, just like they do everything else.

WeylandLabs

None: All seem pretty balanced.

@DenMoria That's the "2 or more," option that way they just complain about the first 2 sets and why.

Gives us or me a better insight to understanding there mentality to counter. But for right now its trending as the a lot of players are waiting for there favorite Youtuber or Streamer. Obviously to say something is wrong with the set, as its overpreforming or another complaint. In which one of them will 100% say, becuase some are secretly bias against a playstyle and or race/class. I'm just ready to see where it goes, and how I can adjust my builds accordingly.

This dlc has a lot of class rep influence that is key to theorycrafting and tweaking my build I already had for wolfhunter.

Waffennacht

None: All seem pretty balanced.

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

I can only imagine how it would play out with overload sorcerers. (Counting the fact that overload is a toggle which can mean serious uptime.)

They say on PTS it's not working at all with Overload.

It also "should" refresh itself rather than stack itself.

So 120 spell/wpn dmg (when working correctly) is meh

Best is probably what is described in PTS

It's buggy atm tho