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WW getting buff? Have you seen how broken it is in BGs??
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I feel like ZoS aren't paying attention... WW is ridiculously tough in BGs. I watch all the leaderboard runners with it on (especially in below 50). It's OP has hell in lowbie.
It needs a nerf before it hits 50 - or make it much harder to level...
It needs a nerf before it hits 50 - or make it much harder to level...
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✭Not too many people even use ww even if they are good and can’t really jump to conclusions yet about the changes.1 -
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✭✭No CP PvP currently is a balancing nightmare as a whole, I think there is no basis to balance anything around.EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)2 -
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✭No CP PvP currently is a balancing nightmare as a whole, I think there is no basis to balance anything around.
I agree... but in under 50 campaigns or BGs - the WW is OP... and I mean SERIOUSLY... OP! I'm watching people get the Bloodletter achievement by level 20. And be absolutely unkillable at the same time.
Which is why, I think it should be harder to level up until you are at level 50...0 -
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✭Trashiest players can seem like GOD as WW... and it's so tough because it seems like they spend the entire time in WW form in a BG... I've seen some really awful players rack up gigantic scores purely from being in WW form.1 -
Aznox✭✭✭✭✭Werewolf is stronger under 50 because of the scaling boosting max stats in a ways that favors Werewolf more than other setups.
Also talking about balance in under-50 is pointless when you have optimized smurfs of multi-years players fighting newcomers. (the werewolf you saw were probably that)
As for post-50 BG, yes werewolf can be strong but it doesn't change the fact I have only seen two other werewolves in my last 100 BG.Aznox
PC EU
Khajiit Orc Bosmer Stamina Sorcerer and Werewolf Stage 3 Vampire
I live in Battlegrounds
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✭Seeing a WW is like getting a free kill in BGs for my bowtard... Just saying1 -
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✭Dawnbreaker cures lycanthropy..."Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."3 -
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✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »Dawnbreaker cures lycanthropy...
How many people have access to DB in below 50 BG?Caius
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✭✭No CP PvP currently is a balancing nightmare as a whole, I think there is no basis to balance anything around.
I agree... but in under 50 campaigns or BGs - the WW is OP... and I mean SERIOUSLY... OP! I'm watching people get the Bloodletter achievement by level 20. And be absolutely unkillable at the same time.
Which is why, I think it should be harder to level up until you are at level 50...
Pick any character, use purple gear & gold weapons of your character's level with full sets (usually crafted), crafted food buff & potions and go in a below 50 BG.
Last time it happened, I got over 60 kills and no deaths. This is not limited to WWs, far from it, especially considering how little they bring to premade vs premade fights in vet BGs, between the low sustain and lack of snare / root removal, plus tanking a proper team not really being a thing in no CP.
You'd be shouting at your screen if you knew how massively overpowered any kind of build can become on battle-scaled characters when you put some efforts in.
Level 10 char (no emperor):
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Aznox✭✭✭✭✭No CP PvP currently is a balancing nightmare as a whole, I think there is no basis to balance anything around.
I agree... but in under 50 campaigns or BGs - the WW is OP... and I mean SERIOUSLY... OP! I'm watching people get the Bloodletter achievement by level 20. And be absolutely unkillable at the same time.
Which is why, I think it should be harder to level up until you are at level 50...
Pick any character, use purple gear & gold weapons of your character's level with full sets (usually crafted), crafted food buff & potions and go in a below 50 BG.
Last time it happened, I got over 60 kills and no deaths. This is not limited to WWs, far from it, especially considering how little they bring to premade vs premade fights in vet BGs, between the low sustain and lack of snare / root removal, plus tanking a proper team not really being a thing in no CP.
You'd be shouting at your screen if you knew how massively overpowered any kind of build can become on battle-scaled characters when you put some efforts in.
Level 10 char (no emperor):
Exactly what i was talking about, thank you for the demonstration.
/thread.Aznox
PC EU
Khajiit Orc Bosmer Stamina Sorcerer and Werewolf Stage 3 Vampire
I live in Battlegrounds
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✭Well you can only do it for soo long until you reach level 50.
One must keep making new toons, grind through the 1st couple of quests, farm some skyshards, have crafted armor waiting and get a WW bite just to dominate a small portion of an already smaller portion of players in under 50 BGs. Its really just par for the course for this game. Everywhere else werewolves are less than desirable.0 -
SshadowSscale✭✭✭✭✭Honestly I really feel like ww is underpowerd in bgs.....I mean I see people transform and get nuked a second later.....and I also dont have a problem with a ww jumping on me because its just another free kill for me so imo the buffs are kinda needed....although the blood rage passive scaling of attacks instead of being attacked is actually a nerf for ww in pvp because your going to get attacked way more than you are attacking.....so plz dont hop on the nerf waggon before all has been revealed because your just gonna rune the game for everyone0
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✭You can’t stop other people from noob smashing , that’s an entirely different issue. People come in under 50 pvp with good gear while there’s players with random gear they picked up on.0 -
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✭✭SshadowSscale wrote: »Honestly I really feel like ww is underpowerd in bgs.....I mean I see people transform and get nuked a second later.....and I also dont have a problem with a ww jumping on me because its just another free kill for me so imo the buffs are kinda needed....although the blood rage passive scaling of attacks instead of being attacked is actually a nerf for ww in pvp because your going to get attacked way more than you are attacking.....so plz dont hop on the nerf waggon before all has been revealed because your just gonna rune the game for everyone
Yes and no. While incoming damage is more prevalent, a staple Werewolf counter has been Turtling or kiting, these two will no longer be as effective as a werewolf can sustain form as long as damage is ticking away. We have yet to see how the passive was reworked or any of the other potential changes to the wolves, so before we call nerf or buff we need to see the complete picture.Caius
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✭I'm not a noob... I play a variety of characters, and enjoy the BGs whilst leveling now. Seems quicker than random dungeons - and it offers a bit of variety. That said, I gear up my toons (not crazily, but a little). I meet a WW and I know I'm toast. I watch those guys stay in perma wolf form once up. And they go flawlessly through it...
It's not just noob smashing. I normally leaderboard each week in the under 50s as I level my toons... but there are peeps in there that are simply abusing the WW OP quality. Battle scaling pushes them WAY over resistance cap - and thanks to the fact CP doesn't work (which I'm great with) - penetration isn't all that great from others... meaning they take practically zero damage, but dish it out in crazy town figures!0 -
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✭No CP PvP currently is a balancing nightmare as a whole, I think there is no basis to balance anything around.
I agree... but in under 50 campaigns or BGs - the WW is OP... and I mean SERIOUSLY... OP! I'm watching people get the Bloodletter achievement by level 20. And be absolutely unkillable at the same time.
Which is why, I think it should be harder to level up until you are at level 50...
Pick any character, use purple gear & gold weapons of your character's level with full sets (usually crafted), crafted food buff & potions and go in a below 50 BG.
Last time it happened, I got over 60 kills and no deaths. This is not limited to WWs, far from it, especially considering how little they bring to premade vs premade fights in vet BGs, between the low sustain and lack of snare / root removal, plus tanking a proper team not really being a thing in no CP.
You'd be shouting at your screen if you knew how massively overpowered any kind of build can become on battle-scaled characters when you put some efforts in.
Level 10 char (no emperor):
Wtf? 9k weapon damage, 40k hp and nearly 40k stam??!!0 -
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✭Level 10 Character... Made today to prove this point. Werewolf not even leveled high (I think only level 4.... and no morphed skills (obviously)). I'm not a great player - and my gear is primarily green and white. Nothing purple, and definitely nothing gold. No heals on this DK (except the WW heal).
I say again... WW is broken in lowbie BGs...
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