Stam Sorc PvE

Malacthulhu

What is considered BiS for trials stam sorc right now?

erlewine

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Sparr0w

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erlewine

Wouldn't use Kraghs on Trials since you want to have it setup so you're at penetration cap already (lover mundus, major+minor breach, crusher glyph, alkosh) so the 1pc would be wasted.

Velidreth is good though, particularly on fights where it can hit the same boss multiple times. OTOH, Stormfist is more reliable, AoE, and it can proc Implosion passive execute.

LiquidPony

Masel92 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

They definitely should not be equal. Veiled has a phys resistance 2piece, and the last is less weapon damage than you get from Briarheart, not including the healing. Granted that’s 10% crit damage, but with briarheart and pretty much any stam set, you’re crit should be just fine.

Veiled heritance can reach close to a 100% uptime from the front bar only , briarheart has 66% max, but is mostly around 50-55%.

Advancing Yokeda and Heritance are within 1% of each other:



Oh and also, what do you mean with "10% crit damage"?

@Masel92 have you tested Briarheart recently? It appears that the cooldown is broken. CMX reports 92% uptime, which could just be an issue with CMX ... except I've stood in front of a dummy and watched Briarheart proc immediately after expiring over and over again. I've been getting better results (and higher average weapon damage) with Briarheart than Ravager.

Also, have you ever tested Kvatch Gladiator on a stamsorc? With Bloodthirsty jewelry I get better results on a solo parse than with Automaton/Ravager/Briarheart/Advancing.

Metrics is bugged with briarheart. It shows that it is active without a cooldown, but if you look at the visual effect on your hands and your weapon damage, it is not there. You can easily check if it is really up by the amount of critical heals you get from it. In this fight, it showed a 94% uptime for briarheart, yet I only had 35 critical heals, even though they are supposed to have a 1 second cooldown. With 423 critical hits in 79 seconds, that is clearly showing that it is NOT up 94% of the time:

Damage caused with 423 critical hits in 79 seconds:



Healing Received with 35 critical heals in 79 seconds:



On top, the weapon damage differnce with the 5 -piece and only 4 pieces (everything else remains) is around 300 or so, which is not nearly enough. With 94% uptime, it should be clsoe to 500:



This might also be interesting for @erlewine.

You're right @Masel92

It's not just CMX that is broken with Briarheart ... S'rendarr isn't tracking the proc correctly either, seems like it might be related to bar-swapping when it's only equipped on one bar.

I will post something about Kvatch here soon. Not sure how relevant it'll be in a real game situation but on a solo parse it seems very strong. Haven't tested enough yet to be sure but the combo of Bloodthirsty + Bound Armaments + Kvatch works.

Gallagher563

I might switch to krags or veli instead of stormfist.

Colecovision

I thought it was selenes right now. Am I wrong?

Sparr0w

Colecovision wrote: »

I thought it was selenes right now. Am I wrong?

Think it's just because relequen is proccing selenes

Xuhora

in my tests ravager outperformed advancing yokeda by arround 2k-3k DPS

Masel

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

Why shouldn't it?

SmellyUnlimited

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

They definitely should not be equal. Veiled has a phys resistance 2piece, and the last is less weapon damage than you get from Briarheart, not including the healing. Granted that’s 10% crit damage, but with briarheart and pretty much any stam set, you’re crit should be just fine.

Masel

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

They definitely should not be equal. Veiled has a phys resistance 2piece, and the last is less weapon damage than you get from Briarheart, not including the healing. Granted that’s 10% crit damage, but with briarheart and pretty much any stam set, you’re crit should be just fine.

Veiled heritance can reach close to a 100% uptime from the front bar only , briarheart has 66% max, but is mostly around 50-55%.

Advancing Yokeda and Heritance are within 1% of each other:



Oh and also, what do you mean with "10% crit damage"?

Masel

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

Why shouldn't it?

Relequen procs selene's, ravager and basically all sets that require direct melee damage. Relequen is a DoT, which is why it should not proc these in the first place.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Masel92 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

Why shouldn't it?

Relequen procs selene's, ravager and basically all sets that require direct melee damage. Relequen is a DoT, which is why it should not proc these in the first place.

well we dont really know what "direct melee damage" is and it is quite possible different then simple "direct damage", all those things you listed get procced by blade cloak and that is certainly a dot. i mean, i understand things not proccing like they ought to, see my post on chilled and ice ablitys, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4895579#Comment_4895579 but we need a good base. like does that set proc valkyn or nerienth?

and your information on Advancing Yokeda and Heritance is hilarious and awesome, how many people are farming the crap out of hrc when they could just buy that set. lol, thanks for mathing that out.

MashmalloMan

Yeah the damages are very confusing. Relequen is affected by Master-at-Arms cp for direct damage but behaves like a dot and proc's Direct Melee Damage conditions like Selenes.

Blade Cloak behaves like a DoT but is affected by Thaumaturge cp, the tooltip however shows its only affected by Master-at-Arms cp. I havn't even tested what type of damage it is, but I'm willing to bet that it's considered direct "melee" dmg too and procs Selene's.

I did slight tests like months ago on Blade Cloak, so I'm not sure if Summerset fixed some of that confusion or not. Correct me if I'm wrong. I hope Relequen stays the way it is because its pretty difficult to get consistent "Direct Melee DMG". Flurry doesn't count, I know that.

StrangeForce001

Direct damage and DoTs are kind of confusing. There are single target direct damage like Aedric Spear and AOE direct damage like Elemental Blockade. Generally if a tooltip says “ability does X amount of damage over Y period of time”, it is considered a DoT. Don’t confuse this with “ability does this amount of damage per second”. That is AOE direct damage.

A better way to tell the difference is to turn on your damage numbers in UI. Direct non crit damage numbers are white, DoT numbers are orange, and all crit numbers are yellow.

MashmalloMan

StrangeForce001 wrote: »

Generally if a tooltip says “ability does X amount of damage over Y period of time”, it is considered a DoT. Don’t confuse this with “ability does this amount of damage per second”. That is AOE direct damage.

A better way to tell the difference is to turn on your damage numbers in UI. Direct non crit damage numbers are white, DoT numbers are orange, and all crit numbers are yellow.

Volley and caltrops both say “ability does this amount of damage per second” and are both DoT AoE skills, so you shouldn't make a blanket statement like that.

Even the colouring is wrong proven by other people in forums I've seen so you can't always trust that system either. The only thing you can do is set up yourself with no cp and test the dmg differences by adding and removing cp, same thing with monster set procs. ZOS doesn't know what the hell they're doing, there isn't any logic for a quarter of the damage classification in this game.

LiquidPony

Masel92 wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

They definitely should not be equal. Veiled has a phys resistance 2piece, and the last is less weapon damage than you get from Briarheart, not including the healing. Granted that’s 10% crit damage, but with briarheart and pretty much any stam set, you’re crit should be just fine.

Veiled heritance can reach close to a 100% uptime from the front bar only , briarheart has 66% max, but is mostly around 50-55%.

Advancing Yokeda and Heritance are within 1% of each other:



Oh and also, what do you mean with "10% crit damage"?

@Masel92 have you tested Briarheart recently? It appears that the cooldown is broken. CMX reports 92% uptime, which could just be an issue with CMX ... except I've stood in front of a dummy and watched Briarheart proc immediately after expiring over and over again. I've been getting better results (and higher average weapon damage) with Briarheart than Ravager.

Also, have you ever tested Kvatch Gladiator on a stamsorc? With Bloodthirsty jewelry I get better results on a solo parse than with Automaton/Ravager/Briarheart/Advancing.

Masel

LiquidPony wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

They definitely should not be equal. Veiled has a phys resistance 2piece, and the last is less weapon damage than you get from Briarheart, not including the healing. Granted that’s 10% crit damage, but with briarheart and pretty much any stam set, you’re crit should be just fine.

Veiled heritance can reach close to a 100% uptime from the front bar only , briarheart has 66% max, but is mostly around 50-55%.

Advancing Yokeda and Heritance are within 1% of each other:



Oh and also, what do you mean with "10% crit damage"?

@Masel92 have you tested Briarheart recently? It appears that the cooldown is broken. CMX reports 92% uptime, which could just be an issue with CMX ... except I've stood in front of a dummy and watched Briarheart proc immediately after expiring over and over again. I've been getting better results (and higher average weapon damage) with Briarheart than Ravager.

Also, have you ever tested Kvatch Gladiator on a stamsorc? With Bloodthirsty jewelry I get better results on a solo parse than with Automaton/Ravager/Briarheart/Advancing.

Metrics is bugged with briarheart. It shows that it is active without a cooldown, but if you look at the visual effect on your hands and your weapon damage, it is not there. You can easily check if it is really up by the amount of critical heals you get from it. In this fight, it showed a 94% uptime for briarheart, yet I only had 35 critical heals, even though they are supposed to have a 1 second cooldown. With 423 critical hits in 79 seconds, that is clearly showing that it is NOT up 94% of the time:

Damage caused with 423 critical hits in 79 seconds:



Healing Received with 35 critical heals in 79 seconds:



On top, the weapon damage differnce with the 5 -piece and only 4 pieces (everything else remains) is around 300 or so, which is not nearly enough. With 94% uptime, it should be clsoe to 500:



This might also be interesting for @erlewine.

erlewine

Interesting, thanks for checking into this.

Edit: Yeah, looks like it was fixed this patch. It was definitely showing the golden rings on your wrist and proccing heals for 95%+ of the time before.

RaptorRodeoGod

Masel92 wrote: »

erlewine wrote: »

Perfected Relequen armor, Advancing Yokeda jewelry (robust) and daggers (nirn poison/infused berserk), vMA bow (nirn, double damage crafted poisons), and Stormfist monster set.

Only in older trials. In most trials where you have to change the target frequently (vAS, vCR, vHoF, vDSA, vMA), Relequen doesn't do much.

On stamsorc, Advancing Yokeda and Veiled heritance are basically equal. Ravager can also be good, but it is currently diluted by Relequen because it procs things it shouldn't.

Glad to know I jumped on the Veiled Heritance train before it left the station

MashmalloMan

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

Glad to know I jumped on the Veiled Heritance train before it left the station

Yeah it's a nice set, works just the same as advancing yokeda with the same amount of dps, maybe even a bit more consistant because the damage proc is more reliable than the rng of crit chance. The fact that it comes out with same dps and has about 2.9k more phys resistance is nice too. So more tanky.

Plus overland set. Different grind nonetheless because no one is selling this set.