Change how emp works

FloppyTouch

Right now the way EMP works in pvp you need to be number 1 in AP on the leaderboards when your faction captures the center keeps. For anyone not farming AP 24/7 will never be emp. This is one of the hardest achievements in the game to get and can be change to give other people a fair chance at it.

I suggest when a EMP is disposed it goes to the next in line right down the leaderboards and that player can not be emp for the remainder of the campaign.

This would only have benefits in pvp
1. The top player that only farms ap would be force to play as EMP to hold it, defending keeps and making pushes.
2. It will give more people the chance at the achievement
3. People wont quit the campaign when someone is on the leaderboards they dont like.

I put this poll in general discussion bc I want to hear pve players opinions on this too. If you knew you could have a chance at EMP would you try for it?

TarrNokk

Keep emp the way it is you should have to be number 1 and work for it

So every monk could be Dalai Lama?
Noooo.

FloppyTouch

Change how emp works, when disposed it moves down the leaderboards

TarrNokk wrote: »

So every monk could be Dalai Lama?
Noooo.

Nope but when a king or EMP fails and is disposed of the power goes to the next in line.

LegendaryMage

No, then someone can get emp and be deposed without ever playing it, denying him an opportunity to become one again. The real way to fix this is to give emp to the highest ranking player at the time of all 6 keeps being taken.

This way there will always be an emperor when it happens, and everyone gets to compete for it as well.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

FloppyTouch

Change how emp works, when disposed it moves down the leaderboards

LegendaryMage wrote: »

No, then someone can get emp and be deposed without ever playing it, denying him an opportunity to become one again. The real way to fix this is to give emp to the highest ranking player at the time of all 6 keeps being taken.

This way there will always be an emperor when it happens, and everyone gets to compete for it as well.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I like ur suggestion but it doesn't mean they would never be it again they will just have to wait 30 days or 7 days

LegendaryMage

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

No, then someone can get emp and be deposed without ever playing it, denying him an opportunity to become one again. The real way to fix this is to give emp to the highest ranking player at the time of all 6 keeps being taken.

This way there will always be an emperor when it happens, and everyone gets to compete for it as well.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I like ur suggestion but it doesn't mean they would never be it again they will just have to wait 30 days or 7 days

So if I'm at No.1 and I'm sleeping at the moment of all 6 keeps being flipped, I get emp, I get deposed soon and I can't be emp again until the end of campaign? Is that what you're suggesting?

Chibs

Emporer is fine as is. It’s supposed to be hard that’s why it feels so good to finally don the rare regalia. If everybody could do it it wouldn’t be special

FloppyTouch

Change how emp works, when disposed it moves down the leaderboards

LegendaryMage wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

No, then someone can get emp and be deposed without ever playing it, denying him an opportunity to become one again. The real way to fix this is to give emp to the highest ranking player at the time of all 6 keeps being taken.

This way there will always be an emperor when it happens, and everyone gets to compete for it as well.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I like ur suggestion but it doesn't mean they would never be it again they will just have to wait 30 days or 7 days

So if I'm at No.1 and I'm sleeping at the moment of all 6 keeps being flipped, I get emp, I get deposed soon and I can't be emp again until the end of campaign? Is that what you're suggesting?

Yes

White wabbit

Emp means nothing you can get it out of a cereal box these days

LegendaryMage

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

No, then someone can get emp and be deposed without ever playing it, denying him an opportunity to become one again. The real way to fix this is to give emp to the highest ranking player at the time of all 6 keeps being taken.

This way there will always be an emperor when it happens, and everyone gets to compete for it as well.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I like ur suggestion but it doesn't mean they would never be it again they will just have to wait 30 days or 7 days

So if I'm at No.1 and I'm sleeping at the moment of all 6 keeps being flipped, I get emp, I get deposed soon and I can't be emp again until the end of campaign? Is that what you're suggesting?

Yes

I see. I'm sorry but that's never going to happen. That way you can have tons of flips and emperors who get to play for 1 minute (or not at all if they're offline) and then they're gone until the end of campaign. Then the emp will eventually end up with some low ranked noob that won't even notice he's emp rofl

My suggestion is more realistic since everyone still gets to fight and the top guy always wins, but this time for a change the offline players are temporarily discarded, so there's always an emperor and there always will be when the keeps are flipped.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

You don't need to farm AP 24/7. Just join a minor campaign with a bunch of noobs (create a guild, invite them, teach them how to play and life in general). Have them do the hard work for you.

There are so many former emperors that it makes no sense. The title per se only means you are good at repairing doors. Nothing else.

Vapirko

It seems like getting emp is not so much difficult as it is psychotic. IMO they need to abolish the whole AP for emp thing altogether and make it so you can’t just farm for it.

FloppyTouch

Change how emp works, when disposed it moves down the leaderboards

LegendaryMage wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

No, then someone can get emp and be deposed without ever playing it, denying him an opportunity to become one again. The real way to fix this is to give emp to the highest ranking player at the time of all 6 keeps being taken.

This way there will always be an emperor when it happens, and everyone gets to compete for it as well.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I like ur suggestion but it doesn't mean they would never be it again they will just have to wait 30 days or 7 days

So if I'm at No.1 and I'm sleeping at the moment of all 6 keeps being flipped, I get emp, I get deposed soon and I can't be emp again until the end of campaign? Is that what you're suggesting?

Yes

I see. I'm sorry but that's never going to happen. That way you can have tons of flips and emperors who get to play for 1 minute (or not at all if they're offline) and then they're gone until the end of campaign. Then the emp will eventually end up with some low ranked noob that won't even notice he's emp rofl

My suggestion is more realistic since everyone still gets to fight and the top guy always wins, but this time for a change the offline players are temporarily discarded, so there's always an emperor and there always will be when the keeps are flipped.

So it's okay for someone that never gets offline account sharing to hold emp for multiple campaigns making a whole faction stop playing. Ur suggestion would work if that was the whole issue but it's not. Ask anyone that play xb na vivec.

LegendaryMage

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

No, then someone can get emp and be deposed without ever playing it, denying him an opportunity to become one again. The real way to fix this is to give emp to the highest ranking player at the time of all 6 keeps being taken.

This way there will always be an emperor when it happens, and everyone gets to compete for it as well.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I like ur suggestion but it doesn't mean they would never be it again they will just have to wait 30 days or 7 days

So if I'm at No.1 and I'm sleeping at the moment of all 6 keeps being flipped, I get emp, I get deposed soon and I can't be emp again until the end of campaign? Is that what you're suggesting?

Yes

I see. I'm sorry but that's never going to happen. That way you can have tons of flips and emperors who get to play for 1 minute (or not at all if they're offline) and then they're gone until the end of campaign. Then the emp will eventually end up with some low ranked noob that won't even notice he's emp rofl

My suggestion is more realistic since everyone still gets to fight and the top guy always wins, but this time for a change the offline players are temporarily discarded, so there's always an emperor and there always will be when the keeps are flipped.

So it's okay for someone that never gets offline account sharing to hold emp for multiple campaigns making a whole faction stop playing. Ur suggestion would work if that was the whole issue but it's not. Ask anyone that play xb na vivec.

Well this is a customer support issue obviously, they need to inspect shared accounts and ban them as its against the TOS. So there's nothing really wrong with my suggestion, the only thing that's wrong is that ZOS doesn't enforce their TOS.

usmguy1234

Change how emp works, when disposed it moves down the leaderboards

I also might add the emp on Xbox has been primarily nightblade... you don't see many other classes get emp anymore.

Heimpai

Chibs wrote: »

Emporer is fine as is. It’s supposed to be hard that’s why it feels so good to finally don the rare regalia. If everybody could do it it wouldn’t be special

It’s not hard..lmao..it requires time. Something not everyone has an abundance of

CaliMade

Keep emp the way it is you should have to be number 1 and work for it

If it aint broke dont fix it, Emp is overrated anyway. You start off destroying everything...then most groups bring that super specialized queso. My stam dk wiped zergs for hours. The entire other 2 1/2 days i was emp was running into 24 man groups of nothing but Reactive templars spamming synchronized radiants(pre nerf) and heal debuffers. Emp is fun for a bit, then you get hard countered.

eaton68_ESO

I have a different idea

Reset leaderboards daily, or every other day, or third day, something like that.

Marabornwingrion

Keep emp the way it is you should have to be number 1 and work for it

You don't have to farm AP 24/7, getting emp on 7-day campaign is quite easy, all you need to have is one sleepless night and group of friends willing to help.

That's how I've got mine.

Also Midyear Mayhem is coming soon, so new 7-day campaigns will be opened. This is where you can try get your emp. A lot of low CP players got their emps last year during this event.

Good luck

Samadhi

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Right now the way EMP works in pvp you need to be number 1 in AP on the leaderboards when your faction captures the center keeps. For anyone not farming AP 24/7 will never be emp. This is one of the hardest achievements in the game to get and can be change to give other people a fair chance at it.
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EMP is about timing more than anything

For my emp crowning, simply played all damn day on a single character on the day campaign reset
and when the first emp crowned on that campaign, it went to me

was not even online at the time of my crowning; logged in to the Emperor mail and achievement

abdicated right after logging in order to start helping my guild crown next in line; never actually got to play as Emperor in combat, but that was not enormously pertinent to me

have never been on the top 10 boards in any campaign aside from that occasion; in part due to hopping through multiple characters

with your idea it would be feasible for the player who farms AP 24/7 to systematically dominate the leader board by swapping characters
and get 15 Emp crownings per campaign
unfortunately, this seems like the more likely potential outcome, rather than the position being shared more 'fairly' to players in the campaign

it would likely be kind of demotivational for some players if they were crowned and dethroned while afk, then locked out of any opportunity to be Emp again for that campaign
personally largely indifferent to the whole thing at this point tho
in my head canon my Emp character remains Empress in all 15 of my character's timelines; with the rest of my characters working under her toward the good of Tamriel

Reverb

Keep emp the way it is you should have to be number 1 and work for it

If people think Emp trading is a problem now, it's nothing on how it would be if OPs suggestion came to pass. Getting Emp is already watered down, this would make it completely meaningless. So many guilds would use this to crown their ranks up and down the lines, and off-hours capping of the entire map would become an even worse problem than it is already, and every Tyro in the most populated faction would be sporting the Former Emperor title.

No, just no.

Beardimus

I have a different idea

Heimpai wrote: »

Chibs wrote: »

Emporer is fine as is. It’s supposed to be hard that’s why it feels so good to finally don the rare regalia. If everybody could do it it wouldn’t be special

It’s not hard..lmao..it requires time. Something not everyone has an abundance of

As does everything hard. Time to both with a dummy to work on rotations, time to trade, time to research.

Planned right, on the right campaign with a strategy its not insane to get. Going full on in primetime Vivec, sure you need some hours.

Beardimus

I have a different idea

Back to point in hand. This idea is very very bad. Guilds would use it to pass Emp down even worse than before. Anyway on Vivec if emp isn't on as abdicated a coordinated attack is gunna flip the map anyway.

But seriously on a quite campaign a guild.would get emp, abdicate and crown 10 Emps in a minute.

Sure the same cheating *** now just alliance switch / keep flip and boost but at lest this slows then down.

Ur idea @FloppyTouch would be terrible for abuse. And leas to a million Emps

It's the highest PvP accolade and SHOULD be hard to get. It's entitlement to think otherwise. And posting this in PvE too of course will get votes I know a ton of PvEers would want to tick.the box but not PvP. Doesn't mean it should be easy to do

Edit - woops wrong option. But my other idea is alliance lock to stop the switching for nefarious emp flipping.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

I have a different idea

to me getting emp should be end of campaign, the title means nothing as u can get it, in hours on the 7 day campaign, to me emp should not just be for getting 6 keeps but winning the war, so at the end of the campaign

Kuramas9tails

I have a different idea

The only reason I got EMP was because I was recently fired and I had a lot of time on my hands between government paperwork. Plus, my guild mates dropped for me and it was a dead campaign. If I have the job I have now, I would never have gotten the chance because even with help from my guild mates, I still had to put a lot of time in AP gain. To think about getting EMP again, no thanks. The process is hard, long, competitive and literally only based on if you have friends and time on your hands. I never envy people who have EMP. I feel sad for the ones who are always EMP because my my they spend too much time on the game than what is probably a healthy amount. I know I did.

Samadhi

Beardimus wrote: »

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It's the highest PvP accolade and SHOULD be hard to get. It's entitlement to think otherwise. And posting this in PvE too of course will get votes I know a ton of PvEers would want to tick.the box but not PvP. Doesn't mean it should be easy to do
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To be fair, Ruby Throne Red is a pretty nice looking dye -- is shiny
but Regicide Red makes a much better replacement for the Dark Brotherhood Shrouded Armour outfit swatch
or Murder Mahogany if abandoning the red for more of a worn leather look

Jameliel

I have a different idea

TarrNokk wrote: »

So every monk could be Dalai Lama?
Noooo.

Hyperbole. The Dalai Lama doesn't necessarily grind out more spiritual practice than many monks do haha.

The whole idea of whoever has the most AP is simplistic. Being emp should involve more than whoever has the most free time to game and live unhealthy.

FloppyTouch

Change how emp works, when disposed it moves down the leaderboards

Looks like people are okay with the same people being EMP over and over again with there only chance is to go to a dead campaign and hope friends will help you push when ur number 1. That's a shame looks like 99% of working and school going people will never get emp.

DuskMarine

I have a different idea

they should make it a bit easier to get ahold of as we really just have zergs fighting zergs very rarely does emp ever change hands and when it does its cause someone paid for it. emp really just needs to be gainned a different way as ive never gotten due to its just a stupid goal to shoot for since so many people boost for it. its really not even a fair try to get anymore as well.

illusiouk

Jameliel wrote: »

TarrNokk wrote: »

So every monk could be Dalai Lama?
Noooo.

Hyperbole. The Dalai Lama doesn't necessarily grind out more spiritual practice than many monks do haha.

The whole idea of whoever has the most AP is simplistic. Being emp should involve more than whoever has the most free time to game and live unhealthy.

You are spot on.

The Emperor system will never be changed. It has been so abused over the years and ZOS never did a thing.
I also don't think keep / AP trading is worthy to be called a PVP accolade.

The only way it will be changed is, if they make ESO 2 and they ditch the whole system.

SquareSausage

I like the idea of the leaderboard resetting every few days.

Obv would lead to more emps and would be easier so a lot of ppl would not want that.