Patch: Nothing fixed, everything worse, what happened?

Beamer_Miasma

It seems that most, if not all issues that are mentioned in the patch notes as fixed have not been fixed or have actually gotten worse. Was the server side patch installed at all?

- "Fixed an issue where buildings and other parts of the environment around Alinor would occasionally disappear."
I went to Traitor's Vault in Artaeum for a daily and saw multiple walls disappear. Never saw the issue in this delve before the patch.

- "Fixed an issue which would cause other players to appear invisible for short periods of time."
Never really experienced this one myself but guildies were complaining entire cities seemed empty even though chat was buzzing and there definitely were (should be) people around.

- "Fixed an issue so Master Writs will no longer require crafting styles that aren’t yet released."
Guildie posted a (freshly earned) backsmithing writ in "Welkynar" style which is not craftable as far as anyone knows.

- " We’re also adding the Fang Lair and Scalecaller crafting Motifs back to the Crown Store"
Not in the crown store we are seeing in-game.

PC EU server.

Balticthunder

Who cares? As long as we are getting apex mounts and new crown crates is on horizon, everything is fine.

Elsonso

Beamer_Miasma wrote: »

It seems that most, if not all issues that are mentioned in the patch notes as fixed have not been fixed or have actually gotten worse. Was the server side patch installed at all?

- "Fixed an issue where buildings and other parts of the environment around Alinor would occasionally disappear."
I went to Traitor's Vault in Artaeum for a daily and saw multiple walls disappear. Never saw the issue in this delve before the patch.

- "Fixed an issue which would cause other players to appear invisible for short periods of time."
Never really experienced this one myself but guildies were complaining entire cities seemed empty even though chat was buzzing and there definitely were (should be) people around.

- "Fixed an issue so Master Writs will no longer require crafting styles that aren’t yet released."
Guildie posted a (freshly earned) backsmithing writ in "Welkynar" style which is not craftable as far as anyone knows.

- " We’re also adding the Fang Lair and Scalecaller crafting Motifs back to the Crown Store"
Not in the crown store we are seeing in-game.

PC EU server.

The motifs will be in the game tomorrow, according to Gina. The patch fixed them so that can happen, I guess.

Mojmir

I think they just randomly throw a dart at a board with things we list as bugs and the copy paste that they fixed it.lol

Chaos2088

Ok can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure the majority of us are not programmers. I bet you to fix anything in this games code is a massive task, not just something that can be done in 20mins.

But yes everyone's frustrations are correct, it is getting beyond silly to what bugs are in the game.

Tetrafy

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Ok can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure the majority of us are not programmers. I bet you to fix anything in this games code is a massive task, not just something that can be done in 20mins.

But yes everyone's frustrations are correct, it is getting beyond silly to what bugs are in the game.

Perhaps they should hire some of Squares coders to fix the problem then.

Beamer_Miasma

lordrichter wrote: »

Beamer_Miasma wrote: »

It seems that most, if not all issues that are mentioned in the patch notes as fixed have not been fixed or have actually gotten worse. Was the server side patch installed at all?

- "Fixed an issue where buildings and other parts of the environment around Alinor would occasionally disappear."
I went to Traitor's Vault in Artaeum for a daily and saw multiple walls disappear. Never saw the issue in this delve before the patch.

- "Fixed an issue which would cause other players to appear invisible for short periods of time."
Never really experienced this one myself but guildies were complaining entire cities seemed empty even though chat was buzzing and there definitely were (should be) people around.

- "Fixed an issue so Master Writs will no longer require crafting styles that aren’t yet released."
Guildie posted a (freshly earned) backsmithing writ in "Welkynar" style which is not craftable as far as anyone knows.

- " We’re also adding the Fang Lair and Scalecaller crafting Motifs back to the Crown Store"
Not in the crown store we are seeing in-game.

PC EU server.

The motifs will be in the game tomorrow, according to Gina. The patch fixed them so that can happen, I guess.

Good to know, but they can add items to the crown store without the need for a client patch anyway so that wasn't the worst of the lot. I'm more concerned about the pattern as a whole. If you take the 3 issues out of the patch notes all that's really left is a few item and database tweaks. I suppose it's a bit subjective but I considered the disappearing walls/scenery, the invisible players/bodies and the master writ fixes some of the core fixes of the patch, and they all seem to be not present, or potentially have gotten worse. It's a tad worrying

Emmagoldman

All I know is summer time > eso. Time to go out for beers and see what they get together by october

Olen_Mikko

As long as they correct the typos and fixes some quest that no one ever does, we'll be okay.

GawdSB

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Ok can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure the majority of us are not programmers. I bet you to fix anything in this games code is a massive task, not just something that can be done in 20mins.

But yes everyone's frustrations are correct, it is getting beyond silly to what bugs are in the game.

Hence why it's so hard to get a CS degree and those that do get paid so much.

As a programmer you know there will always be bugs, and the product will always needs updating, etc. But these bugs present are way too big, and detrimental to the product for this to have even been tested for release. Seems to me there's problems all throughout, not just the programmers but the quality assurance as well. Maybe they have a shortage of employees or something idk, but the amount of bugs accumulated has just become ridiculous for anyone that has pride in their work.

Gilvoth

i saw this gif on the bottom page of the patch notes that was QUICKLY deleted.
i copied it as fast as i could...

Beamer_Miasma

GawdSB wrote: »

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Ok can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure the majority of us are not programmers. I bet you to fix anything in this games code is a massive task, not just something that can be done in 20mins.

But yes everyone's frustrations are correct, it is getting beyond silly to what bugs are in the game.

Hence why it's so hard to get a CS degree and those that do get paid so much.

As a programmer you know there will always be bugs, and the product will always needs updating, etc. But these bugs present are way too big, and detrimental to the product for this to have even been tested for release. Seems to me there's problems all throughout, not just the programmers but the quality assurance as well. Maybe they have a shortage of employees or something idk, but the amount of bugs accumulated has just become ridiculous for anyone that has pride in their work.

In any case this is not a post about bugs in the game, there are plenty of those and there will be plenty more, it's a post about fixes mentioned in the patch notes that are not present or not working. So indeed if anything it is more a QA thing, they signed off on these fixes working, or it wouldn't have been in the patch notes.

I'm usually happy to file a bug report in-game or on the forum if I see an issue that hasn't already been reported - which really isn't all that often as most 'old' issues are well known and I'm not the kind of player who jumps on new content on day 1. But coming across 4 not working/non present fixes within 30 minutes of logging on after a patch, that pretty much destroys my motivation to do the right thing. I'm here to play, not to do QA.

Mahabahabtha

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i saw this gif on the bottom page of the patch notes that was QUICKLY deleted.
i copied it as fast as i could...

Shawn_PT

"Fixed an issue so Master Writs will no longer require crafting styles that aren’t yet released."

I also just received a writ asking for the Welkynar style which is clearly not available.

Apoxsee

Guys and gals,

There is only one way to get any company to do what is needed.... stop giving them your money! Unsubscribe your eso plus, stop buying stuff from the crown store, etc... leaving post like this catagorizes this issues but doesn’t force them to do anything. Except remove the post or lock a thread so the word doesn’t spread.

Keep your money and complain on, and maybe in another 4 years we will have what was promised.

Davor

Balticthunder wrote: »

Who cares? As long as we are getting apex mounts and new crown crates is on horizon, everything is fine.

What do you mean we are getting apex mounts and new crown crates. Is this compensation from Zenimax or something we need to buy? If compensation, great, if we have to buy, I don't understand the "Who Cares" comment then. Please explain.

Davor

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Ok can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure the majority of us are not programmers. I bet you to fix anything in this games code is a massive task, not just something that can be done in 20mins.

But yes everyone's frustrations are correct, it is getting beyond silly to what bugs are in the game.

That is all fair and dandy, BUT if it takes time, the people who PAY should be compensated. Doesn't matter if it's easy or not, Zenimax is taking our money and we can't use it if their product is not working. So if you are going to take our money, and it's not an easy fix then compensate us when we can't play.

Kalante

Emmagoldman wrote: »

All I know is summer time > eso. Time to go out for beers and see what they get together by october

by october ill probably be playing a different game LOL and im so happy project nova is coming out so i can leave this game with devs who do not know what they are doing balance and performance wise. PVP is literally broken with freezes and desyncs, broken tank builds that do damage that shouldn't be doing damage and is all just an overall horrible experience.

mikegundy

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Ok can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure the majority of us are not programmers. I bet you to fix anything in this games code is a massive task, not just something that can be done in 20mins.

But yes everyone's frustrations are correct, it is getting beyond silly to what bugs are in the game.

spaghetti code

Beamer_Miasma

Inside the bank in Mournhold, Deshaan We are obviously not amused:

Gilvoth

everyone makes mistakes, give them a break.
no one is perfect.

Kiralyn2000

Davor wrote: »

Balticthunder wrote: »

Who cares? As long as we are getting apex mounts and new crown crates is on horizon, everything is fine.

What do you mean we are getting apex mounts and new crown crates. Is this compensation from Zenimax or something we need to buy? If compensation, great, if we have to buy, I don't understand the "Who Cares" comment then. Please explain.

No, it's just Cynical Man saying "they don't care about fixing bugs, they just care about filling the crown store with expensive gamble boxes"

riVALry9

If you continue to make the same mistake for 4 years, is it even a mistake anymore?

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

everyone makes mistakes, give them a break.
no one is perfect.

Gilvoth

riVALry9 wrote: »

If you continue to make the same mistake for 4 years, is it even a mistake anymore?

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

everyone makes mistakes, give them a break.
no one is perfect.

that's not the case here that is being discussed.
this thread is talking about a fix that happened recently, not something that has been ongoing.

max_only

When I go to the forums after a maintenance

Ohtimbar

GawdSB wrote: »

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Ok can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure the majority of us are not programmers. I bet you to fix anything in this games code is a massive task, not just something that can be done in 20mins.

But yes everyone's frustrations are correct, it is getting beyond silly to what bugs are in the game.

Hence why it's so hard to get a CS degree and those that do get paid so much.

A degree doesn't make a great programmer, not even close. Hard work and genuine interest do, and 99% of that happens unpaid and on personal time. The degree is the easy part.

riVALry9

Except this scenario isn’t quite a one off, is it? Lol

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

riVALry9 wrote: »

If you continue to make the same mistake for 4 years, is it even a mistake anymore?

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

everyone makes mistakes, give them a break.
no one is perfect.

that's not the case here that is being discussed.
this thread is talking about a fix that happened recently, not something that has been ongoing.

GawdSB

Ohtimbar wrote: »

GawdSB wrote: »

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Ok can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure the majority of us are not programmers. I bet you to fix anything in this games code is a massive task, not just something that can be done in 20mins.

But yes everyone's frustrations are correct, it is getting beyond silly to what bugs are in the game.

Hence why it's so hard to get a CS degree and those that do get paid so much.

A degree doesn't make a great programmer, not even close. Hard work and genuine interest do, and 99% of that happens unpaid and on personal time. The degree is the easy part.

Nowhere in my post did I say a degree meant you were a great programmer. A degree at least means you know the basics and a CS degree is a very hard thing to receive.

And I disagree being a programmer happens on personal time. Getting better at whatever area of programming you want to do happens with experience and working with others that are better than you where you can learn from and ask questions. You're not going to turn into a great programmer simply because you're determined and try different things on your own. And no, the degree is not the easy part ask the students that go into CS thinking this and after the first semblance of any actual CS work switch subjects, you're giving the process way too little credit.

Emmagoldman

Hey, we should argue about their programers, especially when we have no idea at all about them.......

DigitalEulogy

DenMoria

You forgot "Stop Playing the Game". That would be the best solution of all. It would eliminate so many issues and problems. It might even clear up the PvP problems. Give it a try. Please?

Apoxsee wrote: »

Guys and gals,

There is only one way to get any company to do what is needed.... stop giving them your money! Unsubscribe your eso plus, stop buying stuff from the crown store, etc... leaving post like this catagorizes this issues but doesn’t force them to do anything. Except remove the post or lock a thread so the word doesn’t spread.

Keep your money and complain on, and maybe in another 4 years we will have what was promised.