AMD vs Intel

jorrackb16_ESO

I am looking at getting a new Pc as my current one is now 7 years old and overheats so I havent been playing much. With the changes to supporting multi core I am wondering whether to go Intel or AMD as I was advised Intel runs the game better but that was with old info.

Can anyone suggest a PC build or just advise the differences in performance to help me start looking at a new build so I can return to the game

Thanks

Revi_Nightfire

While either will suit you just fine, the latest 8th generation Intel processors are the superior processors. For playing ESO on max setting without breaking the bank and also leaving yourself some room for the future I would recommend an i5 processor with a GTX 960.

The_Protagonist

@Revi_Nightfire Whats the FPS on max setting with 960GTX on 1080p on an average.

I have a laptop with 32 GB RAM, i7 gen5 and 970mGTX which gives me an average of 40-50 FPS, planning to get a desktop and I've eyeing 8800k with either 1080Ti/1080 or 1070

Radox0

Intel 8th Gen CPU's, game still love single core performance and while it still will use a few more core's the load is still mostly on a single core. For that reason the newer Intel 8th generation with slightly better single core performance and ability to high higher clock speeds (depending on the SKU) will perform a bit better. Depending on your budget, 8600k with Solid Z series motherboard would be a nice pick, more so as you can overclock. Is a nice mixture of clock speed, single core performance and core count that CPU without being overly expensive.

Revi_Nightfire

The_Protagonist wrote: »

@Revi_Nightfire Whats the FPS on max setting with 960GTX on 1080p on an average.

I have a laptop with 32 GB RAM, i7 gen5 and 970mGTX which gives me an average of 40-50 FPS, planning to get a desktop and I've eyeing 8800k with either 1080Ti/1080 or 1070

If you're eyeing the latest Nvidia Cards, I have a GTX1070 and I currently get around 90 FPS average in full 4k, so I imagine in 1080p you will be higher then 144hz capability.

The_Protagonist

Revi_Nightfire wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

@Revi_Nightfire Whats the FPS on max setting with 960GTX on 1080p on an average.

I have a laptop with 32 GB RAM, i7 gen5 and 970mGTX which gives me an average of 40-50 FPS, planning to get a desktop and I've eyeing 8800k with either 1080Ti/1080 or 1070

If you're eyeing the latest Nvidia Cards, I have a GTX1070 and I currently get around 90 FPS average in full 4k, so I imagine in 1080p you will be higher then 144hz capability.

Thank You!

Revi_Nightfire

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Revi_Nightfire wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

@Revi_Nightfire Whats the FPS on max setting with 960GTX on 1080p on an average.

I have a laptop with 32 GB RAM, i7 gen5 and 970mGTX which gives me an average of 40-50 FPS, planning to get a desktop and I've eyeing 8800k with either 1080Ti/1080 or 1070

If you're eyeing the latest Nvidia Cards, I have a GTX1070 and I currently get around 90 FPS average in full 4k, so I imagine in 1080p you will be higher then 144hz capability.

Thank You!

Anytime Enjoy the new PC! That's so exciting!

veil_

Coming from an old AMD desktop (fx-6300 with a r9 280x 3gb) to my newly built one has been quite insane.

My build is an Intel i5-8600k with a nvidia 1070 8gb gpu, with 16 gb 3200 mhz RAM

I installed ESO on my SSD, for better loading times.

I get, on max settings at 1080p, on average 80-100 fps (standard fps cap) overland/populated cities.
During raid fights i get around 50+ fps.

Kimba_Do

Revi_Nightfire wrote: »

While either will suit you just fine, the latest 8th generation Intel processors are the superior processors. For playing ESO on max setting without breaking the bank and also leaving yourself some room for the future I would recommend an i5 processor with a GTX 960.

Mmm, I would agree if you added "for gaming" to the first sentence. I'm running an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950x with a ton of ram and while an Intel top-of-the-line would be a better gaming platform (assuming equivalent video subsystems) this box will very likely outperform an Intel box as far as a workstation is concerned. My system was designed as a DAW, and when it's working on a mix, I don't think an Intel would outrun it. I average 70-100+ FPS everywhere except in cities, so I'm very happy with the in-game performance, although as noted an equivalent Intel box might up that.

That being said, there's already a Gen 2 Ryzen and although I don't really follow Intel news these days I'm pretty sure there is or soon will be a new Intel chip to match up with. It never ends.

TL;DR: AMD systems are usually better for workhorses, Intel systems tend to be better for gaming. Man, how times have changed.

Radox0

Kimba_Do wrote: »

Revi_Nightfire wrote: »

While either will suit you just fine, the latest 8th generation Intel processors are the superior processors. For playing ESO on max setting without breaking the bank and also leaving yourself some room for the future I would recommend an i5 processor with a GTX 960.

Mmm, I would agree if you added "for gaming" to the first sentence. I'm running an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950x with a ton of ram and while an Intel top-of-the-line would be a better gaming platform (assuming equivalent video subsystems) this box will very likely outperform an Intel box as far as a workstation is concerned. My system was designed as a DAW, and when it's working on a mix, I don't think an Intel would outrun it. I average 70-100+ FPS everywhere except in cities, so I'm very happy with the in-game performance, although as noted an equivalent Intel box might up that.

That being said, there's already a Gen 2 Ryzen and although I don't really follow Intel news these days I'm pretty sure there is or soon will be a new Intel chip to match up with. It never ends.

TL;DR: AMD systems are usually better for workhorses, Intel systems tend to be better for gaming. Man, how times have changed.

The 8700k and and mainstream Intel is not really comparable to Threadripper, but rather AMD's Ryzen lineup. Threadripper is AMD's HEDT lineup for which Intel's comparable platform is Skylake-X on X299 which does compete with Threadripper fine and currently outperforms threadripper in multi threaded workloads, so workstation tasks, more so when you overclock. Of course you pay a significant premium for this and from a price / performance standpoint Skylake-X is awful compared to TR at the moment.

As it stands for gaming an 8700k will outperform TR and even Intel i9 CPU's with the way the architecture is set up (way the cores communicate( 8700k uses quick Ringbus vs Mesh on i9's and CCX / Infinity Fabric on Threadripper), clock speeds etc).

jorrackb16_ESO

Thanks for the feedback. This is what I have been recommended if anyone has comments about it. The Wireless Network card is mainly for the Bluetooth on it for the headphones I am getting.

Case
FRACTAL DEFINE S BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7-8086K Six Core (4.0GHz @ up to 5.0GHz)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080 Ti - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - GTX VR Ready!
Get The Crew 2 with select NVIDIA GeForce GTX GPUs!
1st Hard Disk
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
250GB WD Black™ M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3000MB/s R | 1600MB/s W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS 802.11 Gigabyte GC-W867D-I AC 867Mbps + BT4.0 + Intel Wi-Di PCI-E CARD
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence

Radox0

jorrackb16_ESO wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback. This is what I have been recommended if anyone has comments about it. The Wireless Network card is mainly for the Bluetooth on it for the headphones I am getting.

Case
FRACTAL DEFINE S BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7-8086K Six Core (4.0GHz @ up to 5.0GHz)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080 Ti - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - GTX VR Ready!
Get The Crew 2 with select NVIDIA GeForce GTX GPUs!
1st Hard Disk
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
250GB WD Black™ M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3000MB/s R | 1600MB/s W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS 802.11 Gigabyte GC-W867D-I AC 867Mbps + BT4.0 + Intel Wi-Di PCI-E CARD
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence

That rig outside of the Titan Xp and Titan V has some of the best components for gaming build, 8086k is just a binned 8700k so best CPU around for gaming, 1080Ti similarly powerhouse of a GPU, though to be honest you will be CPU limited more often then not with 1080Ti pegged at much lower usage.

You don't need to buy the extra thermal Paste, the Noctua cooler comes with its own (NT-H1) which is very good (unless its prebuilt and that option is not available?). Wireless card could be better if you were using a wirless connection, but sounds like its just for bluetooth so is fine, could just get a cheap wireless dongle I would have thought. Would also check your headphones do not come with a bluetooth dongle, though that being said, not sure what headphones your looking at so hard to say.

I assume this is a pre-built from some of the options. Do you know which model of 1080Ti it is? I would opt for an aftermarket one if possible rather then blower style as 1080Ti's (and Pascal cards in general) love cooler temps and Nvidia Boost 3.0 is more agressive when temps are cooler = slight more performance.

But in all, a very solid looking build that will smash through ESO. I do hope your pairing it with a worthy monitor also!

jorrackb16_ESO

The Headphones are https://www.audeze.com/products/mobius-series/mobius-headphone which I backed through Indigogo so want something more than a dongle to ensure they have the best possible connection.

I am planning on connecting the pc to 2 x iiyama 24" 1080p monitors but will likely also connect my Samsung Q7 4k TV and play ESO on that and use the monitors for browsing etc

The system will be a prebuilt from https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ so seems to be a generic 1080ti but if I drop the CPU to a 8700k I can upgrade the gfx to a 11GB ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti for about the same price

Radox0

jorrackb16_ESO wrote: »

The Headphones are https://www.audeze.com/products/mobius-series/mobius-headphone which I backed through Indigogo so want something more than a dongle to ensure they have the best possible connection.

I am planning on connecting the pc to 2 x iiyama 24" 1080p monitors but will likely also connect my Samsung Q7 4k TV and play ESO on that and use the monitors for browsing etc

The system will be a prebuilt from https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ so seems to be a generic 1080ti but if I drop the CPU to a 8700k I can upgrade the gfx to a 11GB ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti for about the same price

Fair enough in regards to the Wireless card, but most Bluetooth dongles will do the same thing if they are of solid quality, though to be honest personal preference, I would likely use those buet's wired rather then with Bluetooth.

I would drop the CPU from the 8068k to 8700k, they are one in the same CPU's really, though former is binned (apparently). However with the way the turbo works, only their single core speed is different, when using 2 or more core's they perform similarly which will be the case here so performance will be identical. GPU wise the Strix 1080Ti is a very solid cooler and performs quieter and cooler then a Generic and I am assuming blower style cooler. As I mentioned 1080Ti's love cooler temps which the strix 1080Ti will provide so performance there will be better then a blower style cooler.

HjorrMundGandr

Hi there experienced PC builder here. I actually have two systems I recently put together. One Intel and the Other AMD.

Both systems are great and have their quirks. But ill get to the important stuff that will make and or break a system purchase for you...
The reason I went with a Ryzen system
I do a lot of graphical work in Photoshop, 3dsMax, substance, UE4 etc and I wanted a system that would really out preform on threads. The Ryzen has 16 and dominates when it comes to longer renders or work in After effects for instance. Not much of a difference in Premier if you were interested. I don't know why, it just must be software. When it comes to gaming, I was quite surprised. My game of choice was of course anything Bethesda so loading up ESO was the first to get the test out.

My last system was an i7-3770k with a Gigabyte GTX 980, and it did not do too badly it just would chug at certain areas of the map and drop frames like a madman when in a dungeon or at a full dolmen.

Now with the Ryzen system my frames are this.
Normal Frames in Vivec city crafting area at high peak times = 88 average frames.
You will see these hit the high 120 (I have a 144hz monitor) at some points but will average back down.
I don't receive much frame dropping that make the game feel sluggish unless i'm in PVP where some fights can drop down to 35 frames.

Now My Intel System plays a lot smoother. Frames are about 20 Higher and more stable with less fluctuation.
Vivec city will pull about 90 (+/- 5) which is really nice. But the thing I have noticed the most is Dolmens, dungeons and PVP.
Even with getting normal frame drops down to 35, the system does not feel sluggish. Doing a side by side comparison dolmens are smooth as butter even in Alik'r Where as the Ryzen system stutters a little as if Master merchant is still loading daily data, but only at a dolmen 50% of the time.
If I was spicifically getting another rig just for gaming and not needing anything more I would go Intel again in a heartbeat. The higher clock speeds out of the box and not having to play around with OC like I have with the Ryzen has been one of the major +'s.

Maybe someone who has the Ryzen 2nd gen could chime in. I know they have higher clocks OOTB. (AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 4.3 Ghz) Maybe this would be comparable to the i7 7700k? Only time will tell. I'm planing to upgrade sometime later this year or early next.

These "sluggish" frame drops have been completely isolated in ESO though. I Can play DOOM and Skyrim SE, Fallout 4 with no issues experienced with the AMD system. All smooth and stable.

Did I see much of a difference before and after Summerset's CPU Multi Core Update? Simply put, No. No I did not see much of an improvement if any at all. I use and play my systems enough to have noticed it as well. So maybe the multi core is not optimized for AMD? who knows...?

BTW loading MM is still a pain in the ass for both systems. No avoiding that haha.

INTEL System

• i7-7700k 4.2
• MSI z270 Gaming M6 AC
• Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz 16GB DDR4
• Gigabyte Windforce - GTX1060-3GB
• Cooler Master V650

AMD System

• Ryzen 7 1700 OC (3.7) Stable with Wraith Spire @ 35 Idle, 57 Average Load.
• AsRock - X370 Taichi
• G.SKILL FlareX 3200Mhz 16GB DDR4
• Asus - GTX1060 OC - 6GB
• Cooler Master V650

If you need help building a system or have any questions feel free to ask.

Sleep

I don't recommend buying prebuild.
intel's toothpaste is getting crapier and crapier but is still the better choice for gaming.
8086k is just a binned 8700k as mentioned above. with adequate cooling they are just the same.
don't buy a reference 1080ti. it's very likely to thermal throttle because the stock cooler is just bad unless your don't have case fans. the card itself is good though, if you want to mod the cooler or liquid cool it.

Radox0

HjorrMundGandr wrote: »

Hi there experienced PC builder here. I actually have two systems I recently put together. One Intel and the Other AMD.

Both systems are great and have their quirks. But ill get to the important stuff that will make and or break a system purchase for you...
The reason I went with a Ryzen system
I do a lot of graphical work in Photoshop, 3dsMax, substance, UE4 etc and I wanted a system that would really out preform on threads. The Ryzen has 16 and dominates when it comes to longer renders or work in After effects for instance. Not much of a difference in Premier if you were interested. I don't know why, it just must be software. When it comes to gaming, I was quite surprised. My game of choice was of course anything Bethesda so loading up ESO was the first to get the test out.

My last system was an i7-3770k with a Gigabyte GTX 980, and it did not do too badly it just would chug at certain areas of the map and drop frames like a madman when in a dungeon or at a full dolmen.

Now with the Ryzen system my frames are this.
Normal Frames in Vivec city crafting area at high peak times = 88 average frames.
You will see these hit the high 120 (I have a 144hz monitor) at some points but will average back down.
I don't receive much frame dropping that make the game feel sluggish unless i'm in PVP where some fights can drop down to 35 frames.

Now My Intel System plays a lot smoother. Frames are about 20 Higher and more stable with less fluctuation.
Vivec city will pull about 90 (+/- 5) which is really nice. But the thing I have noticed the most is Dolmens, dungeons and PVP.
Even with getting normal frame drops down to 35, the system does not feel sluggish. Doing a side by side comparison dolmens are smooth as butter even in Alik'r Where as the Ryzen system stutters a little as if Master merchant is still loading daily data, but only at a dolmen 50% of the time.
If I was spicifically getting another rig just for gaming and not needing anything more I would go Intel again in a heartbeat. The higher clock speeds out of the box and not having to play around with OC like I have with the Ryzen has been one of the major +'s.

Maybe someone who has the Ryzen 2nd gen could chime in. I know they have higher clocks OOTB. (AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 4.3 Ghz) Maybe this would be comparable to the i7 7700k? Only time will tell. I'm planing to upgrade sometime later this year or early next.

These "sluggish" frame drops have been completely isolated in ESO though. I Can play DOOM and Skyrim SE, Fallout 4 with no issues experienced with the AMD system. All smooth and stable.

Did I see much of a difference before and after Summerset's CPU Multi Core Update? Simply put, No. No I did not see much of an improvement if any at all. I use and play my systems enough to have noticed it as well. So maybe the multi core is not optimized for AMD? who knows...?

BTW loading MM is still a pain in the ass for both systems. No avoiding that haha.

INTEL System

• i7-7700k 4.2
• MSI z270 Gaming M6 AC
• Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz 16GB DDR4
• Gigabyte Windforce - GTX1060-3GB
• Cooler Master V650

AMD System

• Ryzen 7 1700 OC (3.7) Stable with Wraith Spire @ 35 Idle, 57 Average Load.
• AsRock - X370 Taichi
• G.SKILL FlareX 3200Mhz 16GB DDR4
• Asus - GTX1060 OC - 6GB
• Cooler Master V650

If you need help building a system or have any questions feel free to ask.

Will still be slightly behind the 7700k slightly. I noticed an improvement over my 1800x with the 2700x with short while I had both systems, partly down to with the improvements to infinity fabric and reduction in latency there along with the ootb clock speed, but suspect your 7700k will still be the better performer given its architecture & clock speed advantage.

In regards to:

Did I see much of a difference before and after Summerset's CPU Multi Core Update? Simply put, No. No I did not see much of an improvement if any at all. I use and play my systems enough to have noticed it as well. So maybe the multi core is not optimized for AMD? who knows...?

Its not just AMD, my Primary rig uses the i9 7980XE with a bunch of GTX 1080Tis and still runs like crap at times compared to my 8700k with a 1080Ti which is my primary gaming rig, even heavily overclocked. Its just the architecture of these CPU's with games tending to favor the the 8700k and similar mainstream Intel. Usually its not such a massive delta as usually the limitation is elsewhere (GPU or limit of refresh rate of the panel) but ESO is very CPU heavy, on 1 or few cores rather then loads of cores.

RouDeR

I use 1080ti with 5ghz i7740x
Draw around 100-120 fps on ultra 3440x1440 and that is with Nvidia overlays for better graphics . So unless you have a Ultrawide QHD with high refresh rate or 4k/5k monitor the 1080ti is a waste :d