Tsaeski motif

Araborn31

Good afternoon, ZENIMAX, please tell your game designer to finish the style of the pawn protection in the groin area, but it is not authentic.

Naughty_Ryder

What did I just read?

Anyway.. From what I make of this complete jibberish - there is a lack of Armor covering the genitalia! Yes?

Acrolas

The Tsaesci uses a sort of pseudo-kusazuri supported by tassets.

So a hybrid style, yes. But in no way inauthentic as it exists solely as pixels on a screen.

Aliyavana

?

Taleof2Cities

No clue where this thread is going ... since the majority of players prefer no armor flaps.

FloppyTouch

Players- we hate armor flaps gives us gear without
ZOS-okay
Players-we hate armor without flaps give us flaps

This is why we cant have anything nice

AlienatedGoat

Araborn31 wrote: »

Good afternoon, ZENIMAX, please tell your game designer to finish the style of the pawn protection in the groin area, but it is not authentic.

Firstly, "Tsaeski" sounds definitely Russian.

Secondly, please no. We have enough crotch flaps.

Waffennacht

Phage wrote: »

Araborn31 wrote: »

Good afternoon, ZENIMAX, please tell your game designer to finish the style of the pawn protection in the groin area, but it is not authentic.

Firstly, "Tsaeski" sounds definitely Russian.

Secondly, please no. We have enough crotch flaps.

In Tamriel you wear snake skin, in Akavir, snake wears your skin!

DanteYoda

I have to agree no flaps no wear..

Lylith

what?

oh HELL no.

darkstar2084

Zos took away flaps on an armor that should have all the flaps. Oof the irony https://myarmoury.com/images/features/pic_jpn_armour01.jpg

Mattock_Romulus

Snake people don't have any balls. Therefore, their armor was made without groin protection.

Juhasow

There are iron panties underneath.

Palidon

With this armor it looks like ESO will be including the Feudal Japan era. I see a Shogun expansion in the near future maybe even a Rice Cake Recipe that when eaten will give the player Ninja Power. BONSAI..................

Varana

Less flaps = better armour.
No flaps = best armour.
That is objective fact.

red_emu

All the characters are ken dolls down there anyway (hence no children, as the reproductive cycle on Nirn simply involves a CC screen).

So there isn't really anything to protect there. Maybe apart from the arteries going to the legs?

Radinyn

But.. do you know that Tsaeci don't have legs and are half snakes yes?

Darios_Heliodromos

Radinyn wrote: »

But.. do you know that Tsaeci don't have legs and are half snakes yes?

Not quite sure about that...the reports of the Tsaesci from the First and Third ages mention them as being humans. The notion of them being snakes appears to be more allegorical than anything. There is no direct evidence of them literally being snakes.

Chilly-McFreeze

Varana wrote: »

Less flaps = better armour.
No flaps = best armour.
That is objective fact.

More like your opinion. I can't bring myself to wear the heavy armor t-shirt that the order of the hour style is. All for a toggle.

RaddlemanNumber7

I don't think this armour style is supposed be authentic in any way, neither Japanese, nor Tsaesci.

It looks to me as if the designer set out create a pastiche of Japanese armour styles and cultural motifs, not make a faithful copy of Japanese armour.

And within the game it looks like the craftspeople of Tamriel set out to make a pastiche of Tseasci styles and motifs. It's fake, and may be intended to look like a fake. A bit like those T Shirts worn in East Asia that are adorned with random phrases written in English.

How can it be authentically Tsaesci? They're snake people. They don't have any legs or feet! As for the head gear, I wonder if the Heavy Helm is an imitation of horns and crests found on the head of an actual Tsaesci.

Earrindo

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

I don't think this armour style is supposed be authentic in any way, neither Japanese, nor Tsaesci.

It looks to me as if the designer set out create a pastiche of Japanese armour styles and cultural motifs, not make a faithful copy of Japanese armour.

And within the game it looks like the craftspeople of Tamriel set out to make a pastiche of Tseasci styles and motifs. It's fake, and may be intended to look like a fake. A bit like those T Shirts worn in East Asia that are adorned with random phrases written in English.

How can it be authentically Tsaesci? They're snake people. They don't have any legs or feet! As for the head gear, I wonder if the Heavy Helm is an imitation of horns and crests found on the head of an actual Tsaesci.

That is basically describing the design process for any fantasy game ever. Take existing aesthetics and re-interpret it through a different lens.
It isnt that the Tsaesci motif is trying to be Japanese, but rather the Tsaesci culture is based loosely on Japanese/Chinese cultures, or more accurately, stereotypical Japanese/Chinese cultures. Thus an armor style based on their armor will be loosely Japanese/Chinese looking.
From an in-game perspective, you are probably right, but i feel your analogy cheapens the intended effect somewhat. It probably is a sort of "inspired by" design from when the Akaviri invaded. I dont know that I would compare it to t-shirts with english phrases on them worn by people from non-english speaking cultures.
I would liken it more to a fashion designer choosing to incorporate visual elements from a very different culture to their own.

And Darios_Heliodromos is correct. There is no actual, factual proof or even evidence that the Tsaesci are literally snake people.
They could be, but it is not hard lore that they are. And if they are, they are probably just an offshoot of Argonian, rather than actual serpent people with no legs.

Sometimes, attempting to draw such literal, direct connections between the real world and Tamriel can lead only to frustration and dissatisfaction.
From a design perspective, the Tsaesci motif is really very interesting. Not for everybody, but it is legitimately well designed and offers some unique options for outfits.

Banana

I bought for the swords.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Banana wrote: »

I bought for the swords.

You realize you could have gotten those through the Soul Shriven Motif?

malchior

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

I bought for the swords.

You realize you could have gotten those through the Soul Shriven Motif?

Similar style, not the same.

Darios_Heliodromos

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

How can it be authentically Tsaesci? They're snake people. They don't have any legs or feet! As for the head gear, I wonder if the Heavy Helm is an imitation of horns and crests found on the head of an actual Tsaesci.

The story of Uriel V's invasion of Akavir describes the Tsaesci as being mounted men. I can't quite picture a snake riding a horse.

At the most, the Tsaesci are an offshoot of the Wandering Ehlnofey (like Nords, Redguards, etc) but are ruled (oppressed?) by a serpentine aristocracy.

ShadowHvo

Varana wrote: »

Less flaps = better armour.
No flaps = best armour.
That is objective fact.

Amen!

Silver_Strider

Everything except the Light Helmet looks awful anyways. I bought it solely for the helmet and I regret NOTHING.

RaddlemanNumber7

Darios_Heliodromos wrote: »

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

How can it be authentically Tsaesci? They're snake people. They don't have any legs or feet! As for the head gear, I wonder if the Heavy Helm is an imitation of horns and crests found on the head of an actual Tsaesci.

The story of Uriel V's invasion of Akavir describes the Tsaesci as being mounted men. I can't quite picture a snake riding a horse.

At the most, the Tsaesci are an offshoot of the Wandering Ehlnofey (like Nords, Redguards, etc) but are ruled (oppressed?) by a serpentine aristocracy.

I really don't understand why so many people on this forum want the Tsaesci to be bipedal humanoids, or even human. Where's the fun in that?

When it comes to lore I prefer the description in 2920:The Last Year of the First Era...

"A one-on-one battle between two able warriors," said the Potentate, his scaly skin catching the sun as he rose. "Armed befitting their culture."
"Sounds good," said the Emperor and clapped his hands. "Let the sport commence!"
As soon as he saw the two warriors enter the arena to the roar of the crowd, Emperor Reman III remembered that he had agreed to this several months before and forgotten about it. One combatant was the Potentate's son, Savirien-Chorak, a glistening ivory-yellow eel, gripping his katana and wakizashi with his thin, deceptively weak looking arms. The other was the Emperor's son, Prince Juilek, in ebony armor with a savage Orcish helm, shield and longsword at his side.
"This will be fascinating to watch," hissed the Potentate, a wide grin across his narrow face. "I don't know if I've even seen a Cyrodiil fight an Akavir like this. Usually it's army against army. At last we can settle which philosophy is better -- to create armor to combat swords as your people do, or to create swords to combat armor as mine do."
No one in the crowd, aside from a few scattered Akaviri counselors and the Potentate himself wanted Savirien-Chorak to win, but there was a collective intake of breath at the sight of his graceful movements. His swords seemed to be a part of him, a tail coming from his arms to match the one behind him. It was a trick of counterbalance, allowing the young serpent man to roll up into a circle and spin into the center of the ring in offensive position. The Prince had to plod forward the less impressive traditional way.
As they sprang at each other, the crowd bellowed with delight. The Akaviri was like a moon in orbit around the Prince, effortlessly springing over his shoulder to attempt a blow from behind, but the Prince whirled around quickly to block with his shield. His counter-strike met only air as his foe fell flat to the ground and slithered between his legs, tripping him. The Prince fell to the ground with a resounding crash.
Metal and air melted together as Savirien-Chorak rained strike after strike upon the Prince, who blocked every one with his shield.
"We don't have shields in our culture," murmured Versidue-Shaie to the Emperor. "It seems strange to my boy, I imagine. In our country, if you don't want to get hit, you move out of the way."
When Savirien-Chorak was rearing back to begin another series of blinding attacks, the Prince kicked at his tail, sending him falling back momentarily. In an instant, he had rebounded, but the Prince was also back on his feet. The two circled one another, until the snake man spun forward, katana extended. The Prince saw his foe's plan, and blocked the katana with his longsword and the wakizashi with his shield. Its short punching blade impaled itself in the metal, and Savirien-Chorak was thrown off balance.
The Prince's longblade slashed across the Akavir's chest and the sudden, intense pain caused him to drop both his weapons. In a moment, it was over. Savirien-Chorak was prostrate in the dust with the Prince's longsword at his throat.
"The game's over!" shouted the Emperor, barely heard over the applause from the stadium.
The Prince grinned and helped Savirien-Chorak up and over to a healer. The Emperor clapped his Potentate on the back, feeling relieved. He had not realized when the fight had begun how little chance he had given his son at victory.
"He will make a fine warrior," said Versidue-Shaie. "And a great emperor."
"Just remember," laughed the Emperor. "You Akaviri have a lot of showy moves, but if just one of our strikes comes through, it's all over for you."
"Oh, I'll remember that," nodded the Potentate.

I'm sure that it is now within the technological capabilities of ESO to have Tsaesci that look and move like this description of Savirien-Chorak. I yearn to see this vision realised.

Darios_Heliodromos

I've read the story hence - my belief that the Tsaesci are a humanoid people, ruled/dominated by a serpentine aristocracy.

Do not forget that Tsaesci have been mixing with Imperials since the First Age. You cannot really breed humans and snakes. Mysterious Akavir also states that men live/lived in Akavir, though its accuracy is questioned.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Darios_Heliodromos wrote: »

I've read the story hence - my belief that the Tsaesci are a humanoid people, ruled/dominated by a serpentine aristocracy.

This is a strong possibility, rather like how Valenwood has both the Bosmer and the Imga, Black Marsh used to have the Kothringi and the Limothiit in addition to the Saxhleel, and Skyrim used to have snow elves to go with the Nords. It's also been suggested that the Tsaesci can shapeshift. Another possibility is that the scales and tail are a result of whatever strain of vampirism is dominate in that part of Akavir.

Troneon

Another exclusive crown store only.

No thanks.