Racial Passive Balancing

PaixRomanus

Let's discuss, probably for the 1000th time balancing racial passives - here are my suggestions. Sorry, not sorry, for the long wall of text, but I think making some small improvements in passives would actually balance the races if such a thing is even possible. Anyway I might be wrong, but here is my opinion on the matter. Some don't change, but most only get subtle changes.

Breton
Gift of Magnus Rank 1 Increase Max Magicka by 4%
Rank 2 Increase Max Magicka by 7% and Magic Damage by 2%
Rank 3 Increase Max Magicka by 10% and Magic Damage by 4%

Spell Resistance Rank 1 Increase Spell Resistence by 1320
Rank 2 Increase Spell Resistence by 2640
Rank 3 Increase Spell Resistence by 3960

Magicka Mastery Rank 1 Reduces the Magicka Cost of your abilities by 2%
Rank 2 Reduces the Magicka Cost of your abilities by 3% increases Magicka Recovery by 5%
Rank 3 Reduces the Magicka Cost of your abilities by 4% increases Magicka Recovery by 10%
Orsimer
Brawny Rank 1 Increase Max Health and Max Stamina by 2%
Rank 2 Increase Max Health and Max Stamina by 4%
Rank 3 Increase Max Health and Max Stamina by 6%

Unflinching Rank 1 Increase Magicka, Stamina, and Health Recovery by 6%
Rank 2 Increase Magicka, Stamina, and Health Recovery by 13%
Rank 3 Increase Magicka, Stamina, and Health Recovery by 20%

Swift Warrior Rank 1 Increase damage with melee weapons by 2%, reduce sprint cost by 4% speed by 3%
Rank 2 Increase damage with melee weapons by 3%, reduce sprint cost by 8% speed by 6%
Rank 3 Increase damage with melee weapons by 4%, reduce sprint cost by 12% speed by 10%
Redguard
Exhilaration Rank 1 Increase Stamina recovery by 3%
Rank 2 Increase Stamina recovery by 6%
Rank 3 Increase Stamina recovery by 9%

Conditioning Rank 1 Increase max Stamina by 4%
Rank 2 Increase max Stamina by 7%
Rank 3 Increase max Stamina by 10%

Adrenaline Rush Rank 1 Melee attacks restore 241 stamina
Rank 2 Melee attacks restore 522 stamina
Rank 3 Melee attacks restore 792 stamina

Argonian
Resourceful Rank 1 Max magicka by 1%, restore 762 health, magicka, stamina
Rank 2 Max magicka by 2%, restore 1525 health, magicka, stamina
Rank 3 Max magicka by 3%, restore 2110 health, magicka, stamina

Rank 1 Max health by 3%, poison and disease resistence by 495
Argonian Resistence Rank 2 Max health by 6%, poison and disease resistence by 990
Rank 3 Max health by 9%, poison and disease resistence by 1485

Rank 1 Healing done and received by 1%
Quick to Mend Rank 2 Healing done and received by 3%
Rank 3 Healing done and received by 5%

Dunmer
Dynamic Rank 1 Increase Max Magicka and Stamina by 2%
Rank 2 Increase Max Magicka and Stamina by 4%
Rank 3 Increase Max Magicka and Stamina by 6%

Resist Flame Rank 1 Increase Max Magicka by 1% and Flame Resistence by 693
Rank 2 Increase Max Magicka by 2% and Flame Resistence by 1386
Rank 3 Increase Max Magicka by 3% and Flame Resistence by 2079

Destructive Ancestry Rank 1 Increase flame damage by 3%
Rank 2 Increase flame damage by 5%; Frost and Lightning damage by 1%
Rank 3 Increase flame damage by 7%; Frost and Lightning damage by 2%

Nord
Stalwart Rank 1 Increase max health and stamina by 2%
Rank 2 Increase max health and stamina by 4%
Rank 3 Increase max health and stamina by 6%

Resist Frost Rank 1 Increase cold resistence by 693; increase frost damage by 3%
Rank 2 Increase cold resistence by 1386; increase frost damage by 5%
Rank 3 Increase cold resistence by 2079; increase frost damage by 7%

Rugged Rank 1 Increase damage reduction by 2%; increase magicka recovery by 2%
Rank 2 Increase damage reduction by 4%; increase magicka recovery by 4%
Rank 3 Increase damage reduction by 6%; increase magicka recovery by 6%

Altmer Rank 1 Increase Magicka recovery by 3%
Spellcharge Rank 2 Increase Magicka recovery by 6%
Rank 3 Increase Magicka recovery by 9%

Gift of Magnus Rank 1 Increase Max Magicka by 4%
Rank 2 Increase Max Magicka by 7%
Rank 3 Increase Max Magicka by 10%

Element Talent Rank 1 Increase Flame, Frost and Shock damage by 2%
Rank 2 Increase Flame, Frost and Shock damage by 3%
Rank 3 Increase Flame, Frost and Shock damage by 4%

Bosmer
Y'ffre's Endurance Rank 1 Increase Stamina Recovery by 7% and Max Stamina by 3%
Rank 2 Increase Stamina Recovery by 14% and Max Stamina by 6%
Rank 3 Increase Stamina Recovery by 21% and Max Stamina by 9%

Resist Affliction Rank 1 Increase poison and disease damage by 2%; poison and disease resistence by 495
Rank 2 Increase poison and disease damage by 3%; poison and disease resistence by 990
Rank 3 Increase poison and disease damage by 4%; poison and disease resistence by 1485

Stealthy Rank 1 Reduce detection by 1m and increase damage by 3% in stealth
Rank 2 Reduce detection by 2m and increase damage by 6% in stealth
Rank 3 Reduce detection by 3m and increase damage by 10% in stealth

Khajiit
Nimble Rank 1 Increase health recovery by 6% and stamina recovery by 3%
Rank 2 Increase health recovery by 13% and stamina recovery by 6%
Rank 3 Increase health recovery by 20% and stamina recovery by 10%

Stealthy Rank 1 Reduce detection by 1m and increase damage by 3% in stealth
Rank 2 Reduce detection by 2m and increase damage by 6% in stealth
Rank 3 Reduce detection by 3m and increase damage by 10% in stealth

Carnage Rank 1 Increase weapon crit by 2%; critical damage restores 241 stamina this can occur once every 5 seconds
Rank 2 Increase weapon crit by 5%; critical damage restores 522 stamina this can occur once every 5 seconds
Rank 3 Increase weapon crit by 8%; critical damage restores 792 stamina this can occur once every 5 seconds

Imperial
Tough Rank 1 Increase max health by 4%, increase damage reduction by 1%
Rank 2 Increase max health by 8%, increase damage reduction by 2%
Rank 3 Increase max health by 12%, increase damage reduction by 3%

Conditioning Rank 1 Increase max Stamina by 4%
Rank 2 Increase max Stamina by 7%
Rank 3 Increase max Stamina by 10%

Red Diamond Rank 1 Your melee attacks have a 10% chance to restore 2% of your max health, magicka or stamina based on your lowest resource
Rank 2 Your melee attacks have a 10% chance to restore 4% of your max health, magicka or stamina based on your lowest resource
Rank 3 Your melee attacks have a 10% chance to restore 6% of your max health, magicka or stamina based on your lowest resource

Sergykid

thanks but don't expect anyone from Z0$ to take any of the 1000 topics into discussions.

DeadlyPhoenix

Just couldnt bring myself to read another one.... I'm sorry, maybe some other time.



Not to mention ZOS won't listen anyway most likely.

srfrogg23

Honestly, people act like racial passives are the end-all-be-all of a build, but they’re really such a minuscule element of a character build that it probably isn’t worth the time it would take to balance them.

Like, the value of balancing racial passives is inversely proportional to the value of the time it took to write that wall of text.

GreenSoup2HoT

The Imperial Red Diamond rework you propose is straight up broken. If your health never went below 100% (due to shields or heals) your guaranteed a magicka or stamina proc. 6% of your max pool is insanely strong considering you see 40k+ stamina or even 60k+ magicka builds. Its rare to see 35k+ health builds to get any decent value from this passive. You could basically Jab spam for infinite resources since this passive has no cooldown even though its 10% chance.

I myself have been advocating for Imperials racial passive Red Diamond to get reworked but this is not the way to go in my opinion.

Red Diamond should just mimic Adrenaline Rush in functionality.



At the moment the only passive that may be over-performing is the Argonion potion passive.

Derra

So you have a lot of bretons, orcs and imperials?

pieratsos

"Subtle changes"

DeadlyPhoenix

Breton, New magdps and healer meta...

PaixRomanus

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

The Imperial Red Diamond rework you propose is straight up broken. If your health never went below 100% (due to shields or heals) your guaranteed a magicka or stamina proc. 6% of your max pool is insanely strong considering you see 40k+ stamina or even 60k+ magicka builds. Its rare to see 35k+ health builds to get any decent value from this passive. You could basically Jab spam for infinite resources since this passive has no cooldown even though its 10% chance.

I myself have been advocating for Imperials racial passive Red Diamond to get reworked but this is not the way to go in my opinion.

Red Diamond should just mimic Adrenaline Rush in functionality.



At the moment the only passive that may be over-performing is the Argonion potion passive.

Yeah that makes sense. I wasn't sure and in retrospect it is ridiculous.

Ragnaroek93

Easiest way to balance races: Remove racial passives

Kawall

Nord and Breton need some love. They're really underwhelming.

Lysette

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Easiest way to balance races: Remove racial passives

And make it even less RPG - no, there have to be racial differences.

BigBadVolk

kinda like the Breton, but I'd give the Dark elf a 4 percent magic damage too, and leave High elf as the elemental mage race while Breton could be the pure magic mage and the dark elf as the inbetween, but before this I'd introduce a pure magic staff or wep

brandonv516

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Honestly, people act like racial passives are the end-all-be-all of a build, but they’re really such a minuscule element of a character build that it probably isn’t worth the time it would take to balance them.

Like, the value of balancing racial passives is inversely proportional to the value of the time it took to write that wall of text.

You are funny. See Argonian.

GeminiImpact

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Honestly, people act like racial passives are the end-all-be-all of a build, but they’re really such a minuscule element of a character build that it probably isn’t worth the time it would take to balance them.

Like, the value of balancing racial passives is inversely proportional to the value of the time it took to write that wall of text.

Don't you think that choosing your race should feel like a more important decision then? I personally think that racials should alter the ways in which you play the game - thus making choosing a race more important than simply a stat sheet booster.

srfrogg23

GeminiImpact wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Honestly, people act like racial passives are the end-all-be-all of a build, but they’re really such a minuscule element of a character build that it probably isn’t worth the time it would take to balance them.

Like, the value of balancing racial passives is inversely proportional to the value of the time it took to write that wall of text.

Don't you think that choosing your race should feel like a more important decision then? I personally think that racials should alter the ways in which you play the game - thus making choosing a race more important than simply a stat sheet booster.

If this was a single player game? Yes. In an MMO? Nah. Too many spreadsheet toting min/maxers out there looking to exclude players from group content based on a 5% difference in dps that cannot be changed after character creation.

sherahd

One that I agree with and have wanted for a while is the giving Bretons a plus to magic damage. I don't think they should get that and Magicka recovery. They already get the 3% magicka cost reduction instead. Currently no race gets a passive boost to magic damage, and I feel Bretons would be the ones it'd make sense on. I also agree with Wood Elves getting a boost to poison damage. Some of the changes to Orcs, and Imperials would be OP. The khajiit need to be re-worked totally IMO. I could see the Nords getting frost damage boost as well. I can see more people using Nords for certain builds. I also feel like the Argonians could use a boost of their max magicka. Make it jump to at LEAST 6%, even if that's at the expense of the resourcefulness thingy being nerfed by a tad.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

No.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

The Khajiit need an Attribute bonus, since they are the only race in the game without an Attribute bonus, get rid of the Health recovery and give them more Health Attribute..