The Real PvP Issue

Hutch679

Everyone screams Sloads as the real pvp issue in ESO. The real issue is the developers are understaffed and the overwhelming majority of focus of the game has been put into the crown store. What ever happened to actual gameplay development? You know, the reason why we play the game!

Discuss.

Gnozo

The real issue is the overperforming Lag.

GreenSoup2HoT

The real issue is why it takes months to tweak some numbers. I love the Elder Scrolls Franchise but Zenimax Studios has their priorities and thats making content and money. Theres no time to go back and fix whats broken. Zenimax paves forward without ever looking back.

Hutch679

Gnozo wrote: »

The real issue is the overperforming Lag.

System performance is one section of the major issues. Combat balance is another.

rfennell_ESO

Hutch679 wrote: »

The Real PvP Issue.

It's been and will continue to be lack of soft caps.

Bring them back and you will find pvp MUCH better.

Hutch679

Gnozo wrote: »

The real issue is the overperforming Lag.

System performance is one section of the major issues. Combat balance is another.

Asardes

As I've said quite a number of times items in crown store take orders of magnitude less effort and cost to make than fixing game engine issues or creating new world content. I'm almost certain the former is mostly subcontracted to external companies who make the models, animations and other assets, meaning they can be made cheaper. So stopping development of the crown store won't do bollocks to "fix PvP".

And after the Summerset patch I've actually seen an improvement in PvP performance, compared to what I used to have. I mean 30 FPS+ and <100 ping at sieges with 50+ players around, that was unheard of a few months. Those looked like slow powerpoint presentations with a red 999 in the corner. I recommend getting a hard look at your own rig if you continue to have problems, maybe disable some of your addons (those do eat memory like crazy at times and slow the game to almost a standstill). Also take a look at the game settings file to see if the cores are properly mapped - someone from ZoS recommended deleting/renaming the file and letting the game create a new one. The only server issue I've had - and it only happened once - was a desynch/disconnect that affected multiple players. And I've spent a few dozen hours, mostly at prime time (all alliances pop locked or 3 lines) in Cyrodiil in the last 6 weeks or so. PvP is fine, or at least better than it used to be.

Sanctum74

Hutch679 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

The real issue is the overperforming Lag.

System performance is one section of the major issues. Combat balance is another.

I agree, but at least combat balance can already be achieved with player skill, skills, potions, or armour sets. If the basic game mechanics are not working then combat balance will never happen or be effective.

jaime1982

Asardes wrote: »

As I've said quite a number of times items in crown store take orders of magnitude less effort and cost to make than fixing game engine issues or creating new world content. I'm almost certain the former is mostly subcontracted to external companies who make the models, animations and other assets, meaning they can be made cheaper. So stopping development of the crown store won't do bollocks to "fix PvP".

And after the Summerset patch I've actually seen an improvement in PvP performance, compared to what I used to have. I mean 30 FPS+ and <100 ping at sieges with 50+ players around, that was unheard of a few months. Those looked like slow powerpoint presentations with a red 999 in the corner. I recommend getting a hard look at your own rig if you continue to have problems, maybe disable some of your addons (those do eat memory like crazy at times and slow the game to almost a standstill). Also take a look at the game settings file to see if the cores are properly mapped - someone from ZoS recommended deleting/renaming the file and letting the game create a new one. The only server issue I've had - and it only happened once - was a desynch/disconnect that affected multiple players. And I've spent a few dozen hours, mostly at prime time (all alliances pop locked or 3 lines) in Cyrodiil in the last 6 weeks or so. PvP is fine, or at least better than it used to be.

I have seen 100% the opposite since SS. Pc-NA- vivec daily.

Hutch679

Asardes wrote: »

As I've said quite a number of times items in crown store take orders of magnitude less effort and cost to make than fixing game engine issues or creating new world content. I'm almost certain the former is mostly subcontracted to external companies who make the models, animations and other assets, meaning they can be made cheaper. So stopping development of the crown store won't do bollocks to "fix PvP".

And after the Summerset patch I've actually seen an improvement in PvP performance, compared to what I used to have. I mean 30 FPS+ and <100 ping at sieges with 50+ players around, that was unheard of a few months. Those looked like slow powerpoint presentations with a red 999 in the corner. I recommend getting a hard look at your own rig if you continue to have problems, maybe disable some of your addons (those do eat memory like crazy at times and slow the game to almost a standstill). Also take a look at the game settings file to see if the cores are properly mapped - someone from ZoS recommended deleting/renaming the file and letting the game create a new one. The only server issue I've had - and it only happened once - was a desynch/disconnect that affected multiple players. And I've spent a few dozen hours, mostly at prime time (all alliances pop locked or 3 lines) in Cyrodiil in the last 6 weeks or so. PvP is fine, or at least better than it used to be.

Regardless of the amount of difficulty, a larger majority of focus is going towards the crown store than combat/game play. If you spend 80% of your resource allocation to the crown store, and 20% to the combat/game play, then difficulty and amount of effort have no relevance. What you're saying doesn't make sense. It takes more effort to do combat and game play - well no shot sherlock. The point is they aren't making the extra effort to address it. As you see with the update release. Also, have you ever heard of averages? Your experience may not be the same as the overwhelming majority of other players. Meaning you are an outlier of what is happening in pvp. Whereas you may see game improvement, others are experience game breaking effects from the release. You are in a minority category while the majority of other players are having issues.

vamp_emily

I think the real PvP issue is the players.

We have:
1. Hardcore players
2. Faction Flippers
3. 'I just want to unlock skills' players
4. Zone PvP Players
5. 'Step back! I have to duel this guy next to our keep' Players

Mix them together and you get spaghetti game play with no awesome sauce.

Toc de Malsvi

PC performance is a whole different story from console performance. They can continue to "improve" graphics for PC and just tell players to get a new rig or turb down graphics. Console simply does not have that option, the hardware is static for console. Until microsoft or playstation bring out a new console, increasing graphics requirements will result in a loss in performance.

Asardes

My computer is mostly 7 years old including the OS (Windows 7). Only the graphics card is slightly newer and only mid range. I'm running high graphics settings all the time and it's fine with a few notable exceptions: some trials, specifically HRC, and an overland area in Summerset, namely Ebon Stadmont forest. That's where my FPS drops to 15-20 and the game is quite unpleasant to play. Cyrodiil is completely fine even at big sieges, with pop lock on all alliances. It used to be utter crap a few months ago. So it's clearly not about having the best computer around.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Far and away the biggest problem with PVP right now is crippling lag, especially at peak hours. I would honestly be fine if they took Cyro offline for a month if that would actually allow them to fix the problem. It is impossible to discuss balance when things arent working as intended.

The second biggest problem in PVP, assuming it's running reasonably smooth at the time, is that CC immunity is just plain broken. I dont want to totally derail this thread, but Rune Cage (which is obviously really strong) wouldnt be nearly as big of an issue if CC immunity work properly and you could reliably break free from hard stuns and receive proper immunity.

A distant third is the never ending search for the mythical concept that is class balance. I am not too fussed about this because something is always going to be FOTM and OP. Good players adapt, bad ones whine on the forums.

In fourth place for me is FOTM gear and builds. Things like sloads are annoying, but there are bigger fish to fry. You can do two things, adapt or fight fire with fire. As an example, it blows my mind that in BGs you will look and half the players have ZERO healing. Well no ***, sloads killed you.

I am honestly not bothered by what many would call a lack of new PVP content. The reality is that Cyro is freaking huge, and end of the day, it's just players fighting players. They added IC, met with complaining from both PVE and PVPers, they added dueling, and they have added BGs. I would like to see BGs expanded, but really, what else do people want? Only real obvious thing is more BG maps(happened), more game types (happened), and more flexibility with teams both from number of teams and number of players on the teams. That could perhaps use some expanding.

But end of the day, if they dont fix the lag, at some point the community will simply give up.

DivineFirstYOLO

Gnozo wrote: »

The real issue is the overperforming Lag.

^THIS.

..and the reason why the server is lagging like hell is cause a) it's a potato server and b) zergs are stacking way too much...100 people on the same spot is not going to work..

Hutch679

Asardes wrote: »

My computer is mostly 7 years old including the OS (Windows 7). Only the graphics card is slightly newer and only mid range. I'm running high graphics settings all the time and it's fine with a few notable exceptions: some trials, specifically HRC, and an overland area in Summerset, namely Ebon Stadmont forest. That's where my FPS drops to 15-20 and the game is quite unpleasant to play. Cyrodiil is completely fine even at big sieges, with pop lock on all alliances. It used to be utter crap a few months ago. So it's clearly not about having the best computer around.

Idk what point you're trying to make here. You kind of just ramble on about how everything is fine for YOU. You make no attempt to address any issues. Loss for words honestly.

BrokenGameMechanics

The real issue is a shocking amount of stuff stuff just doesn't work correctly in PVP. Its all just broken. If you stop review battle captures it really becomes more and more apparent.

Broken Game Mechanics is the issue.

For example, literally 5 minutes ago I was riding in in PVP, 670 CP decently distributed, all Gold Medium Armor with two Heavy Monster set, full up on with 22K Health and 41K Stamina and I took ONE, count em, ONE Arrow shot and dropped dead off the horse. My Health and Stamina went to 0 and my Health dropped to 12K!!

I dropped dead with 12K Health. The Death Log shows ONE 9K hit from ONE Lethal Arrow (9,944 dmg) and a Poison for like 447 dmg. That's it, just those two item in the Death Log. In the Capture you can clearly see ONE and ONLY one hit showing to have occurred for the 9,944 hit. Nothing else scrolls for damage. It's all just broken, I can go on with example after example. And this has nothing to do with the stability, crashes, lag and the new enhancement of constant "freezes" in PVP. (Console XBox) This is all stuff in the "if the game hasn't crashed or frozen for you, most of the game play mechanics won't work correctly or be balanced to any degree."

I guess there is some new Bow Passive "If you hit a person on a horse with a single shot, they will drop dead with 59%"

schwarzman1

Bugged cc’s and resource poisons but lag is the main issue

IZZEFlameLash

Hutch679 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

My computer is mostly 7 years old including the OS (Windows 7). Only the graphics card is slightly newer and only mid range. I'm running high graphics settings all the time and it's fine with a few notable exceptions: some trials, specifically HRC, and an overland area in Summerset, namely Ebon Stadmont forest. That's where my FPS drops to 15-20 and the game is quite unpleasant to play. Cyrodiil is completely fine even at big sieges, with pop lock on all alliances. It used to be utter crap a few months ago. So it's clearly not about having the best computer around.

Idk what point you're trying to make here. You kind of just ramble on about how everything is fine for YOU. You make no attempt to address any issues. Loss for words honestly.

He's trying to say that since he has no issue, no one is having an issue. Sounds like a white knight refusing to attribute issue to its source. The game is in a very sad shape. Lags, imbalances, back to procset meta and etc. Lag fixing would be the first step in the right direction. And fixing random bootout to login screen.

Ender1310

I liked soft caps. I wonder why they went away from them? They need re adjusting now but meh.