The stat increases granted by Gold gear should be significantly higher than Purple gear

Azurephoenix999

Yeah, you heard me. Gold gear is, in most cases, simply not worth upgrading due to the cost of doing it and the miniscule bonuses we get for it.

I believe that if we upgrade our gear from Purple to Gold, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF JEWELRY, we should get a significantly higher boost to the gear's stats.

If the cost remains as high as it is, the increase in stats should be raised to match it.

Recon4thCav

I second this!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

If you don't think it is worth it, then don't do it.

Kiralyn2000

Hmm. At least in previous MMOs I've played, it's pretty typical for the top-end players to be perfectly willing to pay ever-increasing amounts of resources/time/etc for incrementally-small increases in their capabilities. Sure, those last bits of improvement might just be 0.5% increase in DPS, but for l33t end-game Raid/Trial hard-moders, It's All Worth It™.
(I think they have to say that, it's part of the initiation requirements. )

Crafts_Many_Boxes

Using my previous MMO experience as an example, there was always a significant stat boost between epic (purple) boss drops and legendary / relic (orange / gold) drops. Often times, you had to complete a separate difficulty level for content just to receive the legendary / relic drops.

So I guess the structure of the game is just too different from traditional MMOs. Because you can just throw money at something to upgrade it to gold, they can't make gold stat gain too high. Otherwise, you'd have the trade barons doing the most dps in content, because they can afford to upgrade everything.

UNLESS they changed the way drops work so that vet trials dropped full sets of gold gear. Wait, do vet trials already work that way? I've only ever heard gold rings being talked about, and I've only ever done normal trails. Point being, if vet trials dropped gold gear, I can see this working as a system. Otherwise it'd give wealthy players a distinct advantage.

Brutusmax1mus

I've made a fortune selling mats

starkerealm

You really don't. I mean, I understand that you think you want this, but the consequences are not something you'd want to live with.

Significantly increasing the effectiveness of gold gear would push it into a mandatory step before running vet content for much of the community. This means you'd need to fully gold out your gear before many progression guilds would even consider letting you step foot in vet DLC dungeons or vet trials.

Now, the good news is, you can just upgrade your gear. The problem is, with gold upgrades being almost completely optional, the gold cost on PCNA (where things tend to be cheapest) is close to 3.5 million gold. That's assuming you took the time and got all the passives. Upgrading your jewelry alone is just under 3m of that, and this is without considering factors like farming for perfect traits at blue rarity, or the cost of purple upgrade materials.

Gold is a tiny buff. It's a way you can keep advancing your character once you've gotten to endgame. Increasing it to a significant step up in power, would have serious consequences for how the community views gear.

Merlin13KAGL

Historically, one tier upgrade netted you the equivalent of the one level's improvement.

For example, a blue level 26 item was equivalent to a purple level 24 item which was equivalent to a white level 30 item.

One tier increase should be more than sufficient.

TequilaFire

You know what will happen, ZOS will just nerf stats on purple to achieve the same effect.
Careful what you wish for.

Danksta

TequilaFire wrote: »

You know what will happen, ZOS will just nerf stats on purple to achieve the same effect.
Careful what you wish for.

If they were to widen the gap between purple and gold gear that is the route they should take. Although I think it's fine the way it is.

DuskMarine

gold is alot better than purple in damage. especially on weapons.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Hmm ... I have all gold gear on my main and have no interest in ever changing it regardless of the current or next meta.

So sure ... let’s make me more OP!

AlienatedGoat

Maybe not armor, but jewelry for sure.

Jewelry improvement mats cost 10x that of anything else, and yet gold jewels give pretty much nothing in actual improvement.

Either the improvement mats need to be reworked, or the gold jewelry stats need to be reworked.

Nestor

Gold upgrades have always been underwhelming. Been that way since beta. Dont see them changing that now.

What has always been puzzling to me, other than weapons, is why anyone feels the need to go past Purple for gear or jewelry.

Wifeaggro13

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

Using my previous MMO experience as an example, there was always a significant stat boost between epic (purple) boss drops and legendary / relic (orange / gold) drops. Often times, you had to complete a separate difficulty level for content just to receive the legendary / relic drops.

So I guess the structure of the game is just too different from traditional MMOs. Because you can just throw money at something to upgrade it to gold, they can't make gold stat gain too high. Otherwise, you'd have the trade barons doing the most dps in content, because they can afford to upgrade everything.

UNLESS they changed the way drops work so that vet trials dropped full sets of gold gear. Wait, do vet trials already work that way? I've only ever heard gold rings being talked about, and I've only ever done normal trails. Point being, if vet trials dropped gold gear, I can see this working as a system. Otherwise it'd give wealthy players a distinct advantage.

Itemization in this game is very bad.the original itemization when it was in beta was far superior in a lot of ways there was a tier beyond gold . They had double enchantments. Non set

DeadlyRecluse

I think it's far healthier for the difference between each upgrade tier to be marginal.

Currently, it takes a relatively minor investment to be at 95% efficiency (all purple gear, or all purple with gold weapons) which allows for people to swap around gear more frequently and doesn't "gold gate" builds harshly.

rfennell_ESO

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Yeah, you heard me. Gold gear is, in most cases, simply not worth upgrading due to the cost of doing it and the miniscule bonuses we get for it.

I believe that if we upgrade our gear from Purple to Gold, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF JEWELRY, we should get a significantly higher boost to the gear's stats.

If the cost remains as high as it is, the increase in stats should be raised to match it.

It hasn't been "worthwhile" upgrading anything but weapons to gold since the game came out.

It is much more obvious with jewelry though... ridiculously so.

eso_nya

in a perfect world it would/should. in the current implementation, im happy with "easy and timeintense to get but completely useless". Just imagine it in a way off: Gold mats r only aquired by the activity u hate the most and with a nonexisting dropchance and u need to gold out armor to be able to fight overland mobs. Or gold upgrade improves your stats by 100% and u get 20 per hireling mail.

The way it is, best u can do is sell to tryhards and true believers in the meta. They might change it tho. iirr there was a time were weaponenchants were pointless and noone used them. they completely revamped enchanting in terms of material availability, leveling progress and effects of enchantments.

Radinyn

It gives one bonus scaling star, just saying.

danno8

No thanks. I like trying out new gear without needing to Gold it to get the full effect. I also don't want to be constantly sinking Gold tempers into gear when gear is so frequently altered /nerfed/buffed in this game.

Golding out all your gear should remain a small increase for those who want to squeeze out every bit of effectiveness regardless of cost.

Facefister

ESO is alive because of its casual approach and horizontal progression. Remove that and people will leave this game. Why playing a knock-off version of WoW when I can play the original one?

zaria

DuskMarine wrote: »

gold is alot better than purple in damage. especially on weapons.

Gold weapons is an major effect because of weapon / spell power boost, armor an jewelry is an minor one.
Its most important on group buff sets in trials as you buff group.

Odnoc

Phage wrote: »

Maybe not armor, but jewelry for sure.

Jewelry improvement mats cost 10x that of anything else, and yet gold jewels give pretty much nothing in actual improvement.

Either the improvement mats need to be reworked, or the gold jewelry stats need to be reworked.

Or people just don't need to upgrade.

Kingslayer513

No.

Golding out weapons and armor is actually fairly easy if you've been playing a while (and btw gold weapons DO offer a significant advantage over purple). The issue is specific to upgrading jewelry: attaining jewelry upgrade mats is horribly inefficient and not worth it to upgrade. The solution should involve changing the way jewelry upgrade mats work, not dangling a more tantalizing reward over a broken system. Deconning gold jewelry should not result in the laughable 1/80th of a crafted gold jewelry piece. This is the problem that needs to be addressed.

And for real, we are all doing way too much damage now. We don't need a blanket buff to gold jewelry. Do you want every average Joe nightblade rocking 70k dps? I'll pass.

MLGProPlayer

No it shouldn't. This adds parity while still making gold gear the best. And golding out your gear is incredibly cheap right now.

PC/NA prices:

x7 heavy armour = ~300k
x2 metal weapon = ~90k
x7 light/medium = ~200k
x2 wood weapon = ~40k

It only takes around 250-350k to gold out an entire set (other than jewellery, but you can get gold jewllery from trials and Cyrodiil vendor too without having to manually upgrade it).

Prices are higher on consoles because of inflation, but it also means you have more gold because you can sell mats for more.

nemvar

This is a terrible idea.

Judas Helviaryn

You realize all that's going to happen by arguing that gold items should be significantly stronger than purple and below, is that ZOS is going to nerf purple and below, and leave gold where it is, right?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Nestor wrote: »

Gold upgrades have always been underwhelming. Been that way since beta. Dont see them changing that now.

What has always been puzzling to me, other than weapons, is why anyone feels the need to go past Purple for gear or jewelry.

Cause I’d rather be .000004% better in an effort to become marginally more slightly above average than I currently am.

Where’s the shrug emoji?

radiostar

Z is thinking: Another day, let's do another nerf! Keep the fodder coming

Sotha_Sil

Too late for that.

Stewart1874

There should be a more substantial jump between purple and gold.