new "anti cheat" mechanism is screwing fishers over

ItchyTheRat

the new "anti cheat" system you have stupidly put in to place that prevents people from crossing the canal next to the gate of Mnem, is royally screwing people in cyrodiil trying to fish, since 50% of the ocean fishing spots are across the damned canal, and now causes the others not to even respawn due to not being fished, can you do something about this ?

Hippie4927

What is the new 'anti cheat' system?

ItchyTheRat

that if/when you cross the canal, you will be put in to a loading screen and ported back to one of your gates

Shadowshire

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Shadowshire

ItchyTheRat wrote: »

the new "anti cheat" system you have stupidly put in to place that prevents people from crossing the canal next to the gate of Mnem, is royally screwing people in cyrodiil trying to fish, since 50% of the ocean fishing spots are across the damned canal, and now causes the others not to even respawn due to not being fished, can you do something about this ?

There is an ocean shoreline in Cyrodiil? .....

ItchyTheRat

well of course, but now, in stead of a total of 8 fishing holes, counting the ones across the canal, we have 3

Shadowshire

ItchyTheRat wrote: »

well of course, but now, in stead of a total of 8 fishing holes, counting the ones across the canal, we have 3

Okay, although I don't recall seeing any access to an ocean in Cyrodiil. But what act of "cheating" is ZOS trying to prevent? On the face of it, crossing the canal enables a player's character to do other things that ZOS doesn't want the character to be able to do, other than just fish in the ocean.

olivesforge

You used to be able to cross the water with some minor slaughterfish protests and cozy up next to the Bravil city wall, but there's now a insta-death wall there.

Past experience suggests when this happens (happened with a few areas around the Lake Rumare back in the day) the devs have usually done so because the area has new content they're protecting.

ItchyTheRat

Shadowshire wrote: »

Okay, although I don't recall seeing any access to an ocean in Cyrodiil. But what act of "cheating" is ZOS trying to prevent? On the face of it, crossing the canal enables a player's character to do other things that ZOS doesn't want the character to be able to do, other than just fish in the ocean.

people have a nasty habit of glitching a captured scroll in bravil, which i suspect what the "fix" is for

ItchyTheRat

they should at least think of us already forgotten anglers out there

Hippie4927

ItchyTheRat wrote: »

Shadowshire wrote: »

Okay, although I don't recall seeing any access to an ocean in Cyrodiil. But what act of "cheating" is ZOS trying to prevent? On the face of it, crossing the canal enables a player's character to do other things that ZOS doesn't want the character to be able to do, other than just fish in the ocean.

people have a nasty habit of glitching a captured scroll in bravil, which i suspect what the "fix" is for

I get why they would do that but then they should move those fishing holes. What's the point of having fishing holes that no one can get to? I have 6 master anglers that all crossed that canal to fish those holes. Now my up and comer master angler is screwed?

ItchyTheRat

Hippie4927 wrote: »

I get why they would do that but then they should move those fishing holes. What's the point of having fishing holes that no one can get to? I have 6 master anglers that all crossed that canal to fish those holes. Now my up and comer master angler is screwed?

i was planning to start my master angler #12 soon, but im not gonna bother until ZOS fixes this since it is a real issue, several people in my fishing guilds are struggling badly because of this and are thinking of giving up on fishing, and one member had to wait several days for the 3 fishing spots to respawn, so he could get his master angler

Shadowshire

ItchyTheRat wrote: »

people have a nasty habit of glitching a captured scroll in bravil, which i suspect what the "fix" is for

"Glitching" a captured scroll in Bravil? What do you mean by "glitching"? How is that the same as "cheating"?

ItchyTheRat

that there used to be a way to get in to bravil, and if the scroll carrier got in to bravil with the scroll, nobody could recapture it, so some people deemed it as cheating

Asardes

At launch you could actually got into the unfinished Bravil part of the map, which is right next to the Mnem Gate. Probably they wanted to include it into the game, then decided not to for whatever reason. But AFAIK they've fixed this glitch a long time ago by adding the slaughterfish, and lengthening the wall so it hugs the shore and makes it impossible to run/ride around it. I wasn't aware that people could still do that glitch 4 years later, or that they've added a new anti-glitch mechanism. One thing I did notice though is that they added some NPC archers right behind the alliance gates, so it makes it slightly more difficult for a solo player to ride in and grab the shard if the gate is open; I sometimes go and grab those in less active campaigns at off-hours when they are capped.

TheRealPotoroo

Has anyone got a map of all these Ocean fishing spots in Cyrodiil? I only ever knew of the two near the AD gate in the SE.

MinuitPro

I feel bad for those still trying to fish there. It's clearly a case of "we don't care about fishing" as you proved by the constant cries of foul water fisherman in Summerset.

From my memory I'm posting a map of spots I recall fishing. I do not have AD characters either so it was necessary to cross over... and there were no ways to scale the cliff face to the south so I can't understand why they had to put a barrier there.

ItchyTheRat

you missed one spot across from #1, it is sometimes marked as 1 hole, but are in fact 2 separate ones

and zos doesnt give a rats ass about people fishing, its been shown over and over, and this is just another major *** by them, screwing us over

VerboseQuips

Oh gosh, now I regret having left Cyrodiil as the last zone for my fishing achievements.

Shadowshire

@Asardes : thank-you for the hyperlink!

ItchyTheRat wrote: »

that there used to be a way to get in to bravil, and if the scroll carrier got in to bravil with the scroll, nobody could recapture it, so some people deemed it as cheating.

That's interesting! If there is a way for a player to exploit a flaw in the design or the implementation of a game to their advantage, then someone will find it and exploit it.*

But if the player who captured the scroll could get into Bravil with it, then why couldn't the other players enter Bravil to take it away from its captor? Would it be "off limits" to them but not to the captor?

ItchyTheRat wrote: »

you missed one spot across from #1, it is sometimes marked as 1 hole, but are in fact 2 separate ones

and zos doesnt give a rats ass about people fishing, its been shown over and over, and this is just another major *** by them, screwing us over

The "lorebooks" which are classified in the Eidetic Library are another example of an interesting feature that was implemented too hastily, and without any apparent error-checking. It is a total mess. Some ZOS "corrections" -- as few as they have been -- do not actually make an Eidetic document available to a player's character(s), but sequesters it in an inacessible location instead. Some "solution", eh?

In contrast, all of the Lorebooks in Shalidor's Library are available. However, that is only because ZOS made a hasty patch in which each Lorebook has about four or five locations where it can be found and read. If a player's character cannot find it at one location, then (in my experience so far), it will eventually be found at one of the others.
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* A paraphrase of Murphy's Law, for which the General Case is "Anything that can happen will happen, eventually."

TheRealPotoroo

MinuitPro wrote: »

I feel bad for those still trying to fish there. It's clearly a case of "we don't care about fishing" as you proved by the constant cries of foul water fisherman in Summerset.

From my memory I'm posting a map of spots I recall fishing. I do not have AD characters either so it was necessary to cross over... and there were no ways to scale the cliff face to the south so I can't understand why they had to put a barrier there.

Wow. I got my Ocean rare fish with only 2 and 5.

driosketch

Really, ocean fish need to be available all along that north coast. Why are there even spots on the other side of the slaughter fish canal?

TheRealPotoroo

driosketch wrote: »

Really, ocean fish need to be available all along that north coast. Why are there even spots on the other side of the slaughter fish canal?

That would still disadvantage DC players. The best solution would be to drop Ocean holes altogether and add one green each to River and Lake, and a second blue to Foul.

Hippie4927

driosketch wrote: »

Really, ocean fish need to be available all along that north coast. Why are there even spots on the other side of the slaughter fish canal?

Because, up until they added the anti-cheat, you could get across the slaughterfish waters and fish there without being attacked.

driosketch

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Really, ocean fish need to be available all along that north coast. Why are there even spots on the other side of the slaughter fish canal?

That would still disadvantage DC players. The best solution would be to drop Ocean holes altogether and add one green each to River and Lake, and a second blue to Foul.

Hippie4927 wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Really, ocean fish need to be available all along that north coast. Why are there even spots on the other side of the slaughter fish canal?

Because, up until they added the anti-cheat, you could get across the slaughterfish waters and fish there without being attacked.

I earned it on a DC character without getting attacked by just using the spots not next to Bravil. In fact the only time I died and had to ride back was the first time I tried to make it across that canal and failed. And that was only because I had run out of spots on my side.

If you ever both PvP'd and earned that delve explorer achievement, you know the best time to fish in that area. But yeah, adding the ocean fish to the other waters would be better.

Hippie4927

driosketch wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Really, ocean fish need to be available all along that north coast. Why are there even spots on the other side of the slaughter fish canal?

That would still disadvantage DC players. The best solution would be to drop Ocean holes altogether and add one green each to River and Lake, and a second blue to Foul.

Hippie4927 wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Really, ocean fish need to be available all along that north coast. Why are there even spots on the other side of the slaughter fish canal?

Because, up until they added the anti-cheat, you could get across the slaughterfish waters and fish there without being attacked.

I earned it on a DC character without getting attacked by just using the spots not next to Bravil. In fact the only time I died and had to ride back was the first time I tried to make it across that canal and failed. And that was only because I had run out of spots on my side.

If you ever both PvP'd and earned that delve explorer achievement, you know the best time to fish in that area. But yeah, adding the ocean fish to the other waters would be better.

Yeah, the reason your DC character didn't get attacked is because it is DC that skulks around down there ganking players that are fishing. My characters were killed 3 times, never by AD. It was DC every time. That's when I figured out how to get through the slaughterfish to the other side. No more problems from DC.

I have no proof but I think there are DC players who go down there for the express purpose of ganking people who are trying to fish. AD rode back and forth, in and out of their base camp and never bothered me.