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Fixing it next update isn't good enough! (Sload's)
Ectheliontnacil
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I'm sorry but pvp has become unplayable for me atm. Sload's semblance is making outnumbered fights impossible on nightblades. It is not only a ridiculous damage crutch but is also a complete hardcounter to medium armour stamblades (and to shielding classes, to an extent).
So many mediocre players are able to perform at a top tier level against builds that are especially susceptible to sload's. I am really inclined to call out some of these clowns. On EU there's organised groups all running sload's and tbagging/whispering for kiting them. 3 or more sload's on my recap from different people has become commonplace.
Sload's along with perpetual lag in Vivec has made me quit PvP. If at least one of these issues is not resolved within a couple weeks, I don't think I'll return at all. I certainly won't wait for the next large update to go live.
Sorry for the rant, anyone who's been playing in Cyrodiil will be able to understand my vexation.
So many mediocre players are able to perform at a top tier level against builds that are especially susceptible to sload's. I am really inclined to call out some of these clowns. On EU there's organised groups all running sload's and tbagging/whispering for kiting them. 3 or more sload's on my recap from different people has become commonplace.
Sload's along with perpetual lag in Vivec has made me quit PvP. If at least one of these issues is not resolved within a couple weeks, I don't think I'll return at all. I certainly won't wait for the next large update to go live.
Sorry for the rant, anyone who's been playing in Cyrodiil will be able to understand my vexation.
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I know it’s painful just gotta hang in there, it seems unlikely they’ll move the time frame up.3 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Worse
You know that the fix will just be a new set of werewolf hide that just get it's 90days in the limelight instead of Sloads
This is SOP for every DLC“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy4 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Same as me today.
I spent 3 hours in Cyrodill on my sorc and all i was dying to was sloads. Multiple gimps light attacking me constantly. I tried slotting purge as an offset but guess what, the gimps can light attack sload me more than i can purge and LoS them.
Why do ZOS continue to go down the path of proc sets to take away any skill in this game. Cant play?, slot SLOADS and let your armour play for you is pure dirt mentality.14 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pushing OP sets on players and nerfing them 3 months later is not a healthy way for PVP
Hope they fix it right away8 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭I’m more bothered by all the cc you can’t break out of..*** getting old
Or as soon as you break free you get insta cc again17 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
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@TasearWhat do you think is a fair fix for it?
Personally I've grown to despise this set and everyone who uses it. So I'd be absolutely happy if the set was just removed from the game, bad luck for anyone who golded it out.
But a fair fix would be changing it to magic or physical dmg (whichever maximum is higher). And adjusting it to a point where the damage output is about equal to viper. I think the set would retain some of it's usefulness, as the 2-4 pc bonuses are very attractive and it would still do decent DoT damage. What absolutely needs to go is the cloak breaking.
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✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@TasearWhat do you think is a fair fix for it?
Personally I've grown to despise this set and everyone who uses it. So I'd be absolutely happy if the set was just removed from the game, bad luck for anyone who golded it out.
But a fair fix would be changing it to magic or physical dmg (whichever maximum is higher). And adjusting it to a point where the damage output is about equal to viper. I think the set would retain some of it's usefulness, as the 2-4 pc bonuses are very attractive and it would still do decent DoT damage. What absolutely needs to go is the cloak breaking.
It should be less than viper as the 234 pieves are far stronger generallyYt Channell: Blobsky
DC EU Nightblade
Owner of 'The Travelling Merchant' - Craglorn trade guild since near release!2 -
HEBREWHAMMERRR✭✭✭✭✭Really not that good. L2p issue. We’re you around when proc sets could crit? Lol. Sloads tears are the worst.17
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Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »Really not that good. L2p issue. We’re you around when proc sets could crit? Lol. Sloads tears are the worst.
I knew this was coming...l2p issue.
You do know that sload's damage output surpasses that of master axes, viper, sheer venom etc. by far? And that's not the main problem. The problem is the fact that builds that aren't capable of tanking such high dmg and rely on invisibility/dodging/shields are not able to utilise their defensive mechanics against this set. Sload's pulls you out of cloak, it hits through dodging and LoS and it ignores damage shields.
If it is an L2p issue, please enlighten me, as to how a medium armour nightblade is supposed to fight a sloading stamdk for instance. How do I counter sload's+duroks on my magblade? What is my sorc supposed to do against shieldbreaker+sload's?
Especially in 1vX scenarios sload's semblance is brutal on basically any class.
Purging is not an option unless you play a templar. The alliance war skill removes 2 effects, when there's at least 5 negative effects on you in every fight, you could spam purge 3 or more times without removing sload's. And spamming purge isn't an option anyways. The skill has a high cost (even with the efficient morph) and while casting it you are completely susceptible to incoming damage. The fact that it halves the duration of sload's even with one cast is nice, but the set still makes cloak hugely unreliable and in most cases you're better off slotting something else even when fighting a sload setup.
Edited by Ectheliontnacil on June 23, 2018 2:13PM9 -
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✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@TasearWhat do you think is a fair fix for it?
Personally I've grown to despise this set and everyone who uses it. So I'd be absolutely happy if the set was just removed from the game, bad luck for anyone who golded it out.
But a fair fix would be changing it to magic or physical dmg (whichever maximum is higher). And adjusting it to a point where the damage output is about equal to viper. I think the set would retain some of it's usefulness, as the 2-4 pc bonuses are very attractive and it would still do decent DoT damage. What absolutely needs to go is the cloak breaking.
BTW Sheer Venom proc will break stealth/cloak on the caster too, I don't know if that is intended or not.
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Outnumbered fights were and are impossible on stamDK in non-Cp bg... So, I dont think this reason is valid, sorry.Ectheliontnacil wrote: »outnumbered fights impossible on nightblades.
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✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »It is not only a ridiculous damage crutch but is also a complete hardcounter to medium armour stamblades
True, yet ironic given the thing it hardcounters - cloak is also a ridiculous crutch (at least in something like Cyrodil).7 -
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✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »It is not only a ridiculous damage crutch but is also a complete hardcounter to medium armour stamblades
True, yet ironic given the thing it hardcounters - cloak is also a ridiculous crutch (at least in something like Cyrodil).
I main magblade. Personally I'd pick a second (stronger and cheaper) damage shield and streak over cloak anytime.
On stamblade cloak is good. But mostly there's a guy with sload's or mark/detect pots and cloak becomes useless, leaving you with some very weak defensive options.2 -
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✭✭✭Oh would ya look at that. Welcome to the club, outnumbered PvP has been near impossible for non NBs openworld for a while now, since they lack such an OP defense. Why aren't bleeds in his, since they are a lot worse than sloads, oh because it barely affects NBs.
My salt aside, sloads is an cancer set, and since NB is so heavily based of stealth such a hard counter is bad.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
Best houseknight EU.2 -
Jailbirdy✭✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »I'm sorry but pvp has become unplayable for me atm. Sload's semblance is making outnumbered fights impossible on nightblades. It is not only a ridiculous damage crutch but is also a complete hardcounter to medium armour stamblades (and to shielding classes, to an extent).
So many mediocre players are able to perform at a top tier level against builds that are especially susceptible to sload's. I am really inclined to call out some of these clowns. On EU there's organised groups all running sload's and tbagging/whispering for kiting them. 3 or more sload's on my recap from different people has become commonplace.
Sload's along with perpetual lag in Vivec has made me quit PvP. If at least one of these issues is not resolved within a couple weeks, I don't think I'll return at all. I certainly won't wait for the next large update to go live.
Sorry for the rant, anyone who's been playing in Cyrodiil will be able to understand my vexation.
purge...Disclaimer: The statements and information from this account are for entertainment & informational purposes only. Any interpretation, implied or otherwise does not constitute negligence on any part of this forum posting.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No need to call me out, I dont usually run the broken sets but I missed out on Vipers, Shieldbreaker etc so I decided F it join the club
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✭JamieAubrey wrote: »No need to call me out, I dont usually run the broken sets but I missed out on Vipers, Shieldbreaker etc so I decided F it join the club
the fact that theres some people having that dot ticking over 10k damage and you cant stop it is kindve what makes that set broken
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✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »JamieAubrey wrote: »No need to call me out, I dont usually run the broken sets but I missed out on Vipers, Shieldbreaker etc so I decided F it join the club
the fact that theres some people having that dot ticking over 10k damage and you cant stop it is kindve what makes that set broken
Max damage is 5971 over 7 seconds which is completely negated by any hot or vitality pot, but I guess 10k makes it sound more scary
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✭✭✭✭✭HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »Really not that good. L2p issue. We’re you around when proc sets could crit? Lol. Sloads tears are the worst.
the set does very little damage, the problem is they are running builds that are meant to kill Groups of people and those builds are what is overpowered, not the armor sets and not the weapons.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Just curious if you've tried a non-NB build?
Edit: btw Oblivion Damage is not affected by CP, but your UI will incorrectly increase the tooltip.
That screenshot is not accurateEdited by Waffennacht on June 23, 2018 7:28PM3
