Vet dungeon level dps with 2h/bow or any combo of 2h and something else, Stamplar build needed.

dazee

I was told its impossible to do with 2h in ESO, which led to my prompt logging out. If I cant play the way I enjoy I wont play. But If anyone knows a way to do this, please let me know. But this looks like a massive massive balance oversight which I cannot ignore and is discouraging me from playing at all.

idk

For some ideas I have linked Alcasts site. He has a build section and under Summerset he has a 2H/bow build for both DK and Sorc.

Essentially, look at those for ideas and of course change out class aspects as you see fitting. Look at his Temlar build as well for such ideas.

https://alcasthq.com/

Short coming of 2H in dungeons is low AoE for trash compared to DW. Just FYI.

mr_wazzabi

dazee wrote: »

I was told its impossible to do with 2h in ESO, which led to my prompt logging out. If I cant play the way I enjoy I wont play. But If anyone knows a way to do this, please let me know. But this looks like a massive massive balance oversight which I cannot ignore and is discouraging me from playing at all.

It can be done. Overall dps will be less than dw, but STILL high enough to complete all vet content, including trials and arenas.

I recently got my flawless conqueror title on my stam nightblade using 2h and bow in vet maelstrom.

A few great things 2h has going for it:

1. Forceful passive. Your light attacks hit about 4 targets at once if they're bunched up. Even though the splash damage doesn't crit, it's still great free damage.
2. Reverse slice execute. When you whack an ad at low health and procs execute damage, full health enemies beside him take 70% of that. This makes 2h users great at finishing mobs that are close to bosses as they can be used as "damage bombs" against the boss.
3. Rally. The only stamina burst heal in the game that's not from a warden. Not as good as blade cloak for survivability, but it has its uses.
4. Battle rush passive. Killing ads gives you higher stam regen for a short time. This is great for sustain in trash mob fights and boss fights with ads. Pair it with vicious ophidian and you have stamina for days.

Here's the end of my vma run, round 4 and 5 of stage 8 and all of stage 9 up till I got awarded the title.

https://youtu.be/pPdGBfzL_Qk

RavenSworn

The reverse slice execute also starts its bonus damage at 50%.

I also tried pairing dw with 2h. With caltrops, Carve and rending slashes, works really well in absence of endless Hail.

Also, I use automatons and hundings to amp up the wep dmg and physical damage for starters.

Vajrak

2h/Bow can't be done as a Stamplar!!!! What are you, CRAZY!!! --- The Community

The Reality:

2h/Bow Stamplar does quite well, in fact the character creation screen for a Templar shows you -- an armored knight with a 2h axe.

I'm not sure how in-depth you want, so I'll just give the last Stamplar I used (focused on my Tankplar and Magplar more, always have been, but the Stampy is just fun sometimes).

Light Reaper

Race: Redguard

Bar 1: Nirnhoned Maul of Hunding's Rage 2h Sword, Weapon Damage Enchant
Biting Jabs, Brawler, Power of the Light, Executioner, Rally Ult: Crescent Sweep
Full buff rating: 5133 Weapon Damage

Poison Injection, Endless Hail, Repentance, Rearming Trap, Silver Shards Ult: Flawless Dawnbreaker
Full buff rating: 4938 Weapon Damage

Bar 2: Precise Bow of Hunding's Rage, Weapon Damage Enchant

Monster Set: Molag Kena (Light/Medium)
Crafted: Hunding Cuirass (Heavy), 2 more as needed
Drop: Automaton, Jewelry with Weapon Damage Enchantment, 2 more as needed

CP:
Lord
Bastion 81 (For Brawler shield strength)
Quick Recovery 20 (For Rally heal value)

Lady
Thick Skinned 37
Hardy 56
Elemental Defender 56

Atronach
Master-At-Arms 56

Ritual
Thaumaturge 56
Precise Strikes 56
Mighty 56
Piercing 26

Lover
Mooncalf 75
Tenacity 75

Tower
Warlord 44

Shadow
Tumbling 56

Rally>switch>PI>EH>Rearmnig Trap>switch>LA>LA>Brawler>Jabs>PotL>HA>switch repeat, reapply Rally as needed Ult Crescent Sweep whenever available

Why Crescent Sweep and not Flawless Dawnbreaker?
Burning Light 7.7k proc, Sweep has 4 chances to proc it (Initial cast plus the 3 ticks through its duration), ends up with higher overall potential damage both single target and AoE, and is up very quickly at 72 cost.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

dazee wrote: »

I was told its impossible to do with 2h in ESO, which led to my prompt logging out. If I cant play the way I enjoy I wont play. But If anyone knows a way to do this, please let me know. But this looks like a massive massive balance oversight which I cannot ignore and is discouraging me from playing at all.

First off, you need to get thicker skin if something like this triggered you enough to stop playing.

Second, read the rest of the replys in this thread. They are good enough to get you through.

Lastly, I run a two-hander on my stamplar after finding dual wield boring on her, here is my set up.

Khajit, 5 Leviathan, 5 Veiled heritance, two handed maul for four man stuff and a greatsword for trials, 2 sellitrix. Vma bow. Food is dubious.

This setup gets me 16k health, 33k Stam, 1.3k regen, 68% crit.

Front bar is infused poison enchant.

Rearming trap, rally, executioner, brawler, jabs, ulti flawless dawnbreaker

Back bar is a sharpened vma bow with a disease enchant.


Repentance, clatrops, power of the light, endless hail, poison injection, ulti crescent sweep

I use sellitrix because in four man stuff, that stun is so useful because most of the tanks in the group finder have no idea what crowd control is. Selenes is a strick DPS increase in single target situations, so you probably want to use that. Kraghs is great too because you need to have the group of mobs in front of you for jabs.

I use crescent sweep for the passives from the adric spear line for that bar, mostly the extra 10% crit hit damage.

I use executioner instead of reverse slice on my stamplar because jabs is aoe, in AOE situations, keep hail and caltrops down, use brawler and then use jabs till hail is up and repeat. Repentance when you need Stam.


Really though, you need a good rotation for good DPS, regardless of the kind of weapon you are using. My rotation skills are not that good and I am just bad at light attack weaving so my DPS tops out at 25k self buffed and 35k in a good group. This is still better then 80% of the DPS I have been put with in the group finder.

My rotation is prebuff with rally then hail, caltrops, injection, PotL, bar swap, trap, brawler, jabs till hail is almost done, repeat. When the mob is around 25% use executioner instead if jabs, keeping up your dots, at 10% just keep up poison injection and use executioner.

I really find two-hander more enjoyable to play, probably because I love using an execute and brawler.

dazee

All good news, thanks for the advice. Additionally a guildmate of mine, the person who originally told me that has changed his mind after deciding to test it out. lol. he got me to keep playing. I really love 2h and don't want to use anything else as a primary stam weapon at least for many characters I like playing.

Asardes

For dungeons 2H is actually good since it lets you save on Weapon Power potions, and have an off-heal from Rally, mitigation from Brawler and execute from Reverse Slice. I recommend using Vicious Serpent (3 Jewels 2 Armor), a monster set - Velidreth, Selene, or Stormfist - and another 5p set on front bar, and even on back bar if you have neither Maelstrom or Master bow. My recommendations for the latter are: Hunding's Rage, Strenght of the Automaton, Briarheart and NMG.

IMO The latter is actually the best one overall, since the tank will never be able to debuff all the adds with Major Fracture. Also for solo play (ex. vMA) it provides the highest debuff of all penetration sets since as class you don't have access to Major Fracture yourself. If you stack that with Minor Fracture from Power of the Light you gain 6.6K penetration. With another 23 CP in Piercing you're at 8850, which is quite close to the amount of resistance most mobs in vMA and overland have (9.1K). For dungeons you can switch from Warrior to Lover and gain another 4.2K on top of that, for a total of 13K penetration since mobs in dungeons have double the resistance (18.1K). NMG also stays on the target even if you swap bars for 6s - the back bar part of the rotation doesn't take that long - and the fact the class is AoE oriented (Biting Jabs) means it applies to multiple targets at once.

The skill should look something like this:
Front: Reverse Slice | Brawler | Biting Jabs | Power of the Light | Rally || Flawless Dawnbreaker
Back: Poison Injection | Razor Caltrops | Endless Hail | Rearming Trap | Repentance || Ballista or Crescent Sweep

Rotation is basically back bar right to left with LA in between, HA->PotL->HA->Brawler->LA->Biting Jabs->LA->PotL repeat. Reverse Slice with HA 3x in execute phase for Follow Up passive.

DirkRavenclaw

2H? Its a Tank think. As a DPS, 2H is viable in PVP but had just yesterday a Talk in a Guild of mine that runs Vet Content and we wouldnt let a 2h DPS run Vet Dungeons with us. Its better in PVP that said, my Tank, a Imperial Templar runs S&B and 2H,but killing in PVE is very Slow. Solo a Dolmen? Sure, but under one Hour? No way.

Asardes

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

2H? Its a Tank think. As a DPS, 2H is viable in PVP but had just yesterday a Talk in a Guild of mine that runs Vet Content and we wouldnt let a 2h DPS run Vet Dungeons with us. Its better in PVP that said, my Tank, a Imperial Templar runs S&B and 2H,but killing in PVE is very Slow. Solo a Dolmen? Sure, but under one Hour? No way.

It's slow because of the 1H+S, not because of the 2H. Endless Hail and Poison Injection make up a great chunk of your DPS. So you're missing out on a lot of DPS if you're not using bow. As for 2H vs 2W, the former may actually be faster in short fights unless you're a NB, since you'll earn back in execute phase what you may have lost up till then, and even more on top of that. I would certainly not allow someone not using a bow to run dungeons with me, but I wouldn't mind someone using 2H over 2W in them, provided he can pull passable DPS.

Khivas_Carrick

I've always had a strong dislike for DW in games, idky, thus I too found a way to make my 2H Stamplar work.

I average around 28k DPS lately and I managed to reach 35k numerous times when the group is actually decent and working together, and my gear is by no means the top of the line stuff; most of it is crafted and cheap overland stuff.

Race is a Redguard, I switch between using a Maul and Sword, but usually keep to Maul as most bosses have high amounts of armor and ignoring 20% of it before you even get to apply all the passive armor pen is utterly fantastic.

I rock a 5/5/2 of Hunding's Rage/Spriggan's Thorns/ Velidreth's (told you it was basic ***)

Front bar is the 2H, armed with a poison enchant.

Back bar is my bow, armed with a berserker enchant.

Both weapons use Sharpened trait.

Front bar skills: Rally. Rearming Trap. Reverse Slice. Caltrops (I'm leveling it lol). Biting Jabs. Flawless Dawnbreaker as the Ultimate, which does get spammed and isn't just for the damage buff.

Back bar skills: Endless Hail. Blazing Spear. Poison Injection. Power Of The Light. Acid Spray. Soul Assault. Might switch over to the Ballista though, I've heard that's a good Ulti for ranged encounters.

For champion points, put most into Mighty and Thaumaturge, because Jabs is treated as a DoT, and with that all of your other DoTs will do obscene amounts of damage. Mighty for obvious reasons. Get about 20 points into Piercing for the armor pen. I'm gonna look into regen food because when I get low I just heavy attack and call it a day tbh, but having a Templar healer helps because we both spam the group with shards; Shards for me to keep up the offensive and shards for the tank and healer lol

I'm pretty casual but I also to not force people to carry me too often, so I hope this build helps you.

raj72616a

two handed is doable for dps. just don't say you want to tank with two handed weapons, or want to be a healer with a bow stamplar build.

Khivas_Carrick

raj72616a wrote: »

two handed is doable for dps. just don't say you want to tank with two handed weapons, or want to be a healer with a bow stamplar build.

Well, a 2H can be a decent back bar weapon...maybe...lol

Runefang

I'm no fan of Alcast but 55k dps on Rakkhat on his 2H build (last past) is no easy feat. If his stamina sorcerer can do it, pretty much any 2H stam build can.

Khivas_Carrick

Runefang wrote: »

I'm no fan of Alcast but 55k dps on Rakkhat on his 2H build (last past) is no easy feat. If his stamina sorcerer can do it, pretty much any 2H stam build can.

idk about that, wasn't he using a pet build or some *** for that? With very niche weapons and gear lol

While 2H stam users can obviously be competitive DPS, I'm not sure 55k is a realistic thing to obtain for all the stamina users out there lol

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Runefang wrote: »

I'm no fan of Alcast but 55k dps on Rakkhat on his 2H build (last past) is no easy feat. If his stamina sorcerer can do it, pretty much any 2H stam build can.

That guy is using dual wield in that video you have there.

Runefang

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

I'm no fan of Alcast but 55k dps on Rakkhat on his 2H build (last past) is no easy feat. If his stamina sorcerer can do it, pretty much any 2H stam build can.

idk about that, wasn't he using a pet build or some *** for that? With very niche weapons and gear lol

While 2H stam users can obviously be competitive DPS, I'm not sure 55k is a realistic thing to obtain for all the stamina users out there lol

Regardless of what kind of stam toon you are, you'll going to be running Relequen, Advancing Yokeda, vMA Bow and plus monster set in this patch anyway.

If I was building a 2H stamplar I'd go with the above gear and this skill set up:
Bar 1: PoTL, Trap, Brawler, Executioner, Jabs, Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bar 2: Endless Hail, Poison Injection, Caltrops, Repentance, Rally/Vigor, Empowering Sweeps

Keep up all your dots up and spam Jabs whenever you have downtime. Whenever the boss is down to 25% use Executioner over Jabs. Heavy attack as needed.

Khivas_Carrick

Rally would have to be on the front bar my dude, but your set up isn't far off from what I use, except I don't run trials (or at least not often) outside of pugs and I'm not patient enough for pugs these days lol Nor do I even bother with Repentance unless I'm somehow the only Templar in a group.

That said, I might just give a damn enough to go get those sets though.

Also ty, you proved that 2H can do substantial DPS when geared right. I would imagine with sets like the ones you listed, 40k+ DPS would be easy as hell to obtain, so long as the player is willing to commit.

Runefang

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

I'm no fan of Alcast but 55k dps on Rakkhat on his 2H build (last past) is no easy feat. If his stamina sorcerer can do it, pretty much any 2H stam build can.

That guy is using dual wield in that video you have there.

My bad, wrong video. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBlhToqm3aA

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Rally would have to be on the front bar my dude, but your set up isn't far off from what I use, except I don't run trials (or at least not often) outside of pugs and I'm not patient enough for pugs these days lol Nor do I even bother with Repentance unless I'm somehow the only Templar in a group.

That said, I might just give a damn enough to go get those sets though.

Also ty, you proved that 2H can do substantial DPS when geared right. I would imagine with sets like the ones you listed, 40k+ DPS would be easy as hell to obtain, so long as the player is willing to commit.

I'd build one myself but I just don't have time. I used to run a 2H stam sorc at one point though, it was a lot of fun. Guys with a big weapon always have more fun than those with a small one, if you know what I mean.

RavenSworn

Runefang wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

I'm no fan of Alcast but 55k dps on Rakkhat on his 2H build (last past) is no easy feat. If his stamina sorcerer can do it, pretty much any 2H stam build can.

That guy is using dual wield in that video you have there.

My bad, wrong video. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBlhToqm3aA

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Rally would have to be on the front bar my dude, but your set up isn't far off from what I use, except I don't run trials (or at least not often) outside of pugs and I'm not patient enough for pugs these days lol Nor do I even bother with Repentance unless I'm somehow the only Templar in a group.

That said, I might just give a damn enough to go get those sets though.

Also ty, you proved that 2H can do substantial DPS when geared right. I would imagine with sets like the ones you listed, 40k+ DPS would be easy as hell to obtain, so long as the player is willing to commit.

I'd build one myself but I just don't have time. I used to run a 2H stam sorc at one point though, it was a lot of fun. Guys with a big weapon always have more fun than those with a small one, if you know what I mean.

Its not the size of the weapon that matters... It's how you use it

Khivas_Carrick

It amazes how easily the internet can make *** jokes out of anything.

I love it.

ForsakenSin

RavenSworn wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

I'm no fan of Alcast but 55k dps on Rakkhat on his 2H build (last past) is no easy feat. If his stamina sorcerer can do it, pretty much any 2H stam build can.

That guy is using dual wield in that video you have there.

My bad, wrong video. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBlhToqm3aA

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Rally would have to be on the front bar my dude, but your set up isn't far off from what I use, except I don't run trials (or at least not often) outside of pugs and I'm not patient enough for pugs these days lol Nor do I even bother with Repentance unless I'm somehow the only Templar in a group.

That said, I might just give a damn enough to go get those sets though.

Also ty, you proved that 2H can do substantial DPS when geared right. I would imagine with sets like the ones you listed, 40k+ DPS would be easy as hell to obtain, so long as the player is willing to commit.

I'd build one myself but I just don't have time. I used to run a 2H stam sorc at one point though, it was a lot of fun. Guys with a big weapon always have more fun than those with a small one, if you know what I mean.

Its not the size of the weapon that matters... It's how you use it

But without having any penetration on the weapon you might as well have it as training your just swinging your weapon around

Khivas_Carrick

ForsakenSin wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

I'm no fan of Alcast but 55k dps on Rakkhat on his 2H build (last past) is no easy feat. If his stamina sorcerer can do it, pretty much any 2H stam build can.

That guy is using dual wield in that video you have there.

My bad, wrong video. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBlhToqm3aA

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Rally would have to be on the front bar my dude, but your set up isn't far off from what I use, except I don't run trials (or at least not often) outside of pugs and I'm not patient enough for pugs these days lol Nor do I even bother with Repentance unless I'm somehow the only Templar in a group.

That said, I might just give a damn enough to go get those sets though.

Also ty, you proved that 2H can do substantial DPS when geared right. I would imagine with sets like the ones you listed, 40k+ DPS would be easy as hell to obtain, so long as the player is willing to commit.

I'd build one myself but I just don't have time. I used to run a 2H stam sorc at one point though, it was a lot of fun. Guys with a big weapon always have more fun than those with a small one, if you know what I mean.

Its not the size of the weapon that matters... It's how you use it

But without having any penetration on the weapon you might as well have it as training your just swinging your weapon around

Hahaaaaaa

That's why I love my Spriggan's set. It always keeps the ladies thorny.

RavenSworn

Dude, automaton with spriggans and selene. You get physical and penetration and you have a bear attack.

Grab warrior mundus then push through with mighty and physical weapons expert. Usually I get around 15-20k with a clean rotation but I don't do good rotations myself lol.

Khivas_Carrick

I have a question: does Automaton increase all physical melee skills or is it indeed strictly Weapon skills as it says?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

I have a question: does Automaton increase all physical melee skills or is it indeed strictly Weapon skills as it says?

All damage sources that do physical damage and scale with weapon damage, Including bow and class skills. So in a stamplars rotation, not poison injection or power of the light.

Khivas_Carrick

Hmmm, and here I was thinking it was only weapon skills