Heavy Armor Not Scaling Correctly

BreakaerB

I'm not trying to put boots on caterpillars here but I am only sitting at 21k health in Cyrodiil and that just can't be right. I am an Argonian in 5 heavy with all passives minus undaunted. Again I could be wrong but I have friends wearing med and light armor that are sitting at higher health than I am. Only noticed this issue after Summerset. Has anyone else encountered any issues like this?

GreenSoup2HoT

Are you using poisons with the new summerset food? I heard using together bugs it out.

BreakaerB

Back bar poisons but not using summerset food. I tested with both max bi stat and dubious.

flacidstone

Im running 5 heavy on my Stam sorc, one max health glyph on chest, no undaunted and I’m at 21.7 in cyro. I’d agree that something doesn’t seem right.

BreakaerB

flacidstone wrote: »

Im running 5 heavy on my Stam sorc, one max health glyph on chest, no undaunted and I’m at 21.7 in cyro. I’d agree that something doesn’t seem right.

What platform do you play on?

flacidstone

Xbox NA. My argonian magblade in all light sits at 24.7 health with tristat food, and no health glyphs. Seems a little odd.

Qbiken

Ye something has been off about heavy armor for quite a while imo

BreakaerB

flacidstone wrote: »

Xbox NA. My argonian magblade in all light sits at 24.7 health with tristat food, and no health glyphs. Seems a little odd.

Hmm, I also play on Xbox NA.

Reorx_Holybeard

I assume this is in a regular CP campaign with +300 CP? You should have at least 24k in this case depending on the food used. I would get that character naked, use some non-health food/drink and start equipping things one at a time to see if you can spot the discrepancy.

BreakaerB

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

I assume this is in a regular CP campaign with +300 CP? You should have at least 24k in this case depending on the food used. I would get that character naked, use some non-health food/drink and start equipping things one at a time to see if you can spot the discrepancy.

Yea CP campaign and 750 CP. I actually tried unequipping all items the other night and took the food buff off but that yielded no insight.

Toc de Malsvi

Did you use food from a quickslot? I have found using food from quickslot results in lower stats than if I go into my consumables in my inventory.

BreakaerB

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Did you use food from a quickslot? I have found using food from quickslot results in lower stats than if I go into my consumables in my inventory.

Im not sure to be honest but most likely. I will test that when I get home.

Danksta

BreakaerB wrote: »

Back bar poisons but not using summerset food. I tested with both max bi stat and dubious.

Idk about the Summerset food but you don't get the full food buff when using bi stat food if you consume it while on a bar that you have poisons equipped. For some reason Dubious doesn't bug out, must be that it's a drink.

flacidstone

Anyone else experiencing this?

brandonv516

5 heavy sloads argonian DK and I'm only at 17k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

5 light sloads argonian NB and I'm at 19k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

Same set crafted for both.

Yeah I'll hop on this train. I think I should have more HP on my DK.

amir412

I found this aswell an issue, also the scaling from 25k+ is insane.
Dunno what they broke this time.

flacidstone

Swapped the 5 light on my argonian
Mageblade for 5 heavy. The heavy set has one max health bonus. My health is exactly the same as in light with the same food. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Swimguy

brandonv516 wrote: »

5 heavy sloads argonian DK and I'm only at 17k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

5 light sloads argonian NB and I'm at 19k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

Same set crafted for both.

Yeah I'll hop on this train. I think I should have more HP on my DK.

GG spaghetti code OP

TheUndeadAmulet

brandonv516 wrote: »

5 heavy sloads argonian DK and I'm only at 17k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

5 light sloads argonian NB and I'm at 19k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

Same set crafted for both.

Yeah I'll hop on this train. I think I should have more HP on my DK.

NB's have passive 8% bonus max hp when they have a shadow ability equipped but 5 heavy should outdo that by 2%...

Phelaen

i have 5 heavies, 4 have health glyphs, all passives for heavy armor. and food that also increases health... 19k... i am not in Cyrodiil.

THEY BROKE SOMETHING!

SmellyUnlimited

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Did you use food from a quickslot? I have found using food from quickslot results in lower stats than if I go into my consumables in my inventory.

Not true.

TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

5 heavy sloads argonian DK and I'm only at 17k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

5 light sloads argonian NB and I'm at 19k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

Same set crafted for both.

Yeah I'll hop on this train. I think I should have more HP on my DK.

NB's have passive 8% bonus max hp when they have a shadow ability equipped but 5 heavy should outdo that by 2%...

It’s 3% per Shadow ability slotted.

Anyway, it does seem strange. Especially with Argonian 10% to HP. The only thing I can recommend is mathematically going about it. Naked in Cyrodil (so Battle spirit is active). Without undaunted and food, your health would be at about 11-12k (no character points in health). Battle spirit brings it to 17. Food brings it roughly to 20. Heavy armor should then add 10%, so up to 22k. Then Argonian passive of 10% to 24.2ish.

Now what it all hinges on is when the heavy armor and Argonian passive are calculated. If it’s before Battle Spirit, then 21k health makes sense. If after Battle Spirit, it doesn’t. And it’s hard to compare your situation to anyone else in Medium or Light because you’d have to take into account their race, class, undaunted, health enchants etc.

davidj8291

They stealth nerfed Battle Spirit too, or I just missed it in the patch notes.
Because our guild has a 28k Health minimum for Cyrodiil, and 22.5k base health was enough before Summerset. Now I’m short 500 health on all of my builds.

Toc de Malsvi

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Did you use food from a quickslot? I have found using food from quickslot results in lower stats than if I go into my consumables in my inventory.

Not true.

TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

5 heavy sloads argonian DK and I'm only at 17k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

5 light sloads argonian NB and I'm at 19k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

Same set crafted for both.

Yeah I'll hop on this train. I think I should have more HP on my DK.

NB's have passive 8% bonus max hp when they have a shadow ability equipped but 5 heavy should outdo that by 2%...

It’s 3% per Shadow ability slotted.

Anyway, it does seem strange. Especially with Argonian 10% to HP. The only thing I can recommend is mathematically going about it. Naked in Cyrodil (so Battle spirit is active). Without undaunted and food, your health would be at about 11-12k (no character points in health). Battle spirit brings it to 17. Food brings it roughly to 20. Heavy armor should then add 10%, so up to 22k. Then Argonian passive of 10% to 24.2ish.

Now what it all hinges on is when the heavy armor and Argonian passive are calculated. If it’s before Battle Spirit, then 21k health makes sense. If after Battle Spirit, it doesn’t. And it’s hard to compare your situation to anyone else in Medium or Light because you’d have to take into account their race, class, undaunted, health enchants etc.

Technically you are correct. The stats were incorrect but it had to do with poisons on the bar I was using the food. I was using the food from my inventory on my main bar without poisons, and when I was using the quick slot it was on my back bar with poisons. I have tested it now though and many foods bug out if you have poisons equipped while consuming them.

BreakaerB

Glad to know I'm not crazy and everyone else is having issues.

Phelaen

i dont have any poisons equipped, same problem...

Qbiken

I´ll post my stats here and you guys tell me if it sounds legit:

6 Heavy Armor (no set with HP bonus(es)) + Dubious + Redguard + Tristat enchant on big pieces =18k HP outside of Cyrodil.

Phelaen

sounds a bit low. i think the passives from heavies are not all working.

SmellyUnlimited

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Did you use food from a quickslot? I have found using food from quickslot results in lower stats than if I go into my consumables in my inventory.

Not true.

TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

5 heavy sloads argonian DK and I'm only at 17k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

5 light sloads argonian NB and I'm at 19k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

Same set crafted for both.

Yeah I'll hop on this train. I think I should have more HP on my DK.

NB's have passive 8% bonus max hp when they have a shadow ability equipped but 5 heavy should outdo that by 2%...

It’s 3% per Shadow ability slotted.

Anyway, it does seem strange. Especially with Argonian 10% to HP. The only thing I can recommend is mathematically going about it. Naked in Cyrodil (so Battle spirit is active). Without undaunted and food, your health would be at about 11-12k (no character points in health). Battle spirit brings it to 17. Food brings it roughly to 20. Heavy armor should then add 10%, so up to 22k. Then Argonian passive of 10% to 24.2ish.

Now what it all hinges on is when the heavy armor and Argonian passive are calculated. If it’s before Battle Spirit, then 21k health makes sense. If after Battle Spirit, it doesn’t. And it’s hard to compare your situation to anyone else in Medium or Light because you’d have to take into account their race, class, undaunted, health enchants etc.

Technically you are correct. The stats were incorrect but it had to do with poisons on the bar I was using the food. I was using the food from my inventory on my main bar without poisons, and when I was using the quick slot it was on my back bar with poisons. I have tested it now though and many foods bug out if you have poisons equipped while consuming them.

Hmm, so when let’s say you have poisons on your bow bar, then you take food; you’re saying the values from the food aren’t accurate then? I’ll be able to test for PS4 at least a little later this afternoon, but if that’s the case then that’s a pretty big deal.

Toc de Malsvi

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Did you use food from a quickslot? I have found using food from quickslot results in lower stats than if I go into my consumables in my inventory.

Not true.

TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

5 heavy sloads argonian DK and I'm only at 17k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

5 light sloads argonian NB and I'm at 19k HP outside of Cyro. Undaunted maxed, all passives.

Same set crafted for both.

Yeah I'll hop on this train. I think I should have more HP on my DK.

NB's have passive 8% bonus max hp when they have a shadow ability equipped but 5 heavy should outdo that by 2%...

It’s 3% per Shadow ability slotted.

Anyway, it does seem strange. Especially with Argonian 10% to HP. The only thing I can recommend is mathematically going about it. Naked in Cyrodil (so Battle spirit is active). Without undaunted and food, your health would be at about 11-12k (no character points in health). Battle spirit brings it to 17. Food brings it roughly to 20. Heavy armor should then add 10%, so up to 22k. Then Argonian passive of 10% to 24.2ish.

Now what it all hinges on is when the heavy armor and Argonian passive are calculated. If it’s before Battle Spirit, then 21k health makes sense. If after Battle Spirit, it doesn’t. And it’s hard to compare your situation to anyone else in Medium or Light because you’d have to take into account their race, class, undaunted, health enchants etc.

Technically you are correct. The stats were incorrect but it had to do with poisons on the bar I was using the food. I was using the food from my inventory on my main bar without poisons, and when I was using the quick slot it was on my back bar with poisons. I have tested it now though and many foods bug out if you have poisons equipped while consuming them.

Hmm, so when let’s say you have poisons on your bow bar, then you take food; you’re saying the values from the food aren’t accurate then? I’ll be able to test for PS4 at least a little later this afternoon, but if that’s the case then that’s a pretty big deal.

I was using Braised Rabbit food, I'll post a video later.

flacidstone

I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking something is off.

GrigorijMalahevich

Funny to read this topic, as yesterday I couldn't understand what the hell is going on when I started to run BG on heavy armor stamsorc with 21k hp...

My magsorc in light 5/1/1 with no bonus to hp item sets, no pets, with tri stat food has more hp than my stamsorc running 6 heavy with 1 bonus to hp, though, I run dubious on my stamsorc, but still should have about 2k hp more, not 1k hp less.

Feels like heavy armor passives do not work.