Just came back to the game, what an absolute embarrassment this game is.

leepalmer95

Honestly, zos must be the worst and simply incompetent devs i've ever seen. I have never seen a game get worse and worse every patch.

Lets start with the freezing and crashing in pvp now. This wasn't here last time i played but now around a dozen times an hour the game will just freeze for 5-10 seconds, sometimes these are perm freezes. Now if this was any other game there would be mass hate for it and the devs would be forced to fix it as fast as possible because when the game is just broke thats an important issue. Not to zos though it seems.

There is another proc meta... like really zos? There has been two different proc meta which made the pvp just terrible for 3 months. You've had to nerf it twice now and now your telling me theres another proc meta, this one suited for xv1 and zergs... Really, what a joke.

The new 'chapter', the new overpriced dlc is a joke as well. Ignoring the p2w aspects of it, the fact you've intentionally made the grind for mats/ tempers unnecessarily bigger that other skill lines just to artificially inflate the length of the content is stupid.


After quitting the game for a few months and playing games with good devs and looking forward to updates its a big shock when you come back and realise how bad this game is handled.


Of course there will always be people venomously defending the game, usually the ones who are unhealthily addicted to the game and will complain about it but still play it everyday for a few years.

Mojmir

Couldnt agree more, this far into the games life you'd think a lot more would have been sorted out.high end hardware,high speed connection,zero issues with other games.

WeylandLabs

With all that said, i agree 100% its so intresting now. I play because i find the players today facenating. Its so entertaining that its beyond the game to me, i listen to this excepted insanity on the forums and in streams.

And whats better than that is its the same stuff, from the same people. If Eso didnt exsist id be worried about society a bit more. They think its an Esport and not a business. I love reading threads and watching what ZOS does about something. Whats even better is when i post a poll about the next DLC to the community after so many problems right now. Lmfao

@leepalmer95 we both know RIP.

Mr_Nobody

Idk I usually now spend more time loading back in the game than actually playing it. Says enough.

Waffennacht

Hrm, didn't have a single BG freeze last night.

Also didn't seem to get procced against as much, but I am running my TK, Willow, Automaton Stam sorc, so maybe I just didn't notice

The Psijic main quest is pretty awesome if you're into lore as much as me

What does suck? Cyrodiil. Open World PvP, getting jumped by 5 peeps.

Forget that. Cyrodiil is either 5+ player group that's actually decent or worthless. Seeing as I primarily solo, it's pretty weak sauce. Spend 30 min to find 1 fight, then have it freeze or whatever.

If you wanna PvP, you have BGs and that's about it

Durham

Cyrodil is about large scale AVA action .. BG's.. smaller Group action ... people need to understand this ..

You can still solo in Cyrodil it's just you need to really build for it... and yes you will still get ran over ... NB's still the kings of solo, and do very well.. Other classes need speed pots and swift now..

Small groups do well on Shore in Cyrodil.. don t forget that .. Shore is a hidden gem at times during primetime they can see 3 bars straight across...

PVP is good in this game if you stay away from Vevic and the embarrassing lag that persists there... Honestly I'm not sure why they do not fix it .. PVP is insanely popular in other games right now (fortnight) ...If they spent 1 week thinking about PVP and how to address it .. This would be a great PVP game..

When Camelot unchained comes out expect the PVP in PC to drastically decrease....Unless they start addressing the game breaking lag..

Gilvoth

they are allways making progress.
im not defending eso but, they are working every time we see from them.

Derra

Durham wrote: »

Cyrodil is about large scale AVA action .. BG's.. smaller Group action ... people need to understand this ..

You can still solo in Cyrodil it's just you need to really build for it... and yes you will still get ran over ... NB's still the kings of solo, and do very well.. Other classes need speed pots and swift now..

Small groups do well on Shore in Cyrodil.. don t forget that .. Shore is a hidden gem at times during primetime they can see 3 bars straight across...

PVP is good in this game if you stay away from Vevic and the embarrassing lag that persists there... Honestly I'm not sure why they do not fix it .. PVP is insanely popular in other games right now (fortnight) ...If they spent 1 week thinking about PVP and how to address it .. This would be a great PVP game..

When Camelot unchained comes out expect the PVP in PC to drastically decrease....Unless they start addressing the game breaking lag..

Care to explain to me why largescale pvp needs large groups?

Minalan

You know what they say, the Best part about coming back to ESO is quitting again!

ezeepeezee

I've played and enjoyed games with worse design but the latency in the main PVP campaign is truly abominable

DarkAedin

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Honestly, zos must be the worst and simply incompetent devs i've ever seen. I have never seen a game get worse and worse every patch.

Lets start with the freezing and crashing in pvp now. This wasn't here last time i played but now around a dozen times an hour the game will just freeze for 5-10 seconds, sometimes these are perm freezes. Now if this was any other game there would be mass hate for it and the devs would be forced to fix it as fast as possible because when the game is just broke thats an important issue. Not to zos though it seems.

There is another proc meta... like really zos? There has been two different proc meta which made the pvp just terrible for 3 months. You've had to nerf it twice now and now your telling me theres another proc meta, this one suited for xv1 and zergs... Really, what a joke.

The new 'chapter', the new overpriced dlc is a joke as well. Ignoring the p2w aspects of it, the fact you've intentionally made the grind for mats/ tempers unnecessarily bigger that other skill lines just to artificially inflate the length of the content is stupid.


After quitting the game for a few months and playing games with good devs and looking forward to updates its a big shock when you come back and realise how bad this game is handled.


Of course there will always be people venomously defending the game, usually the ones who are unhealthily addicted to the game and will complain about it but still play it everyday for a few years.

Qft, one of the worst metas yet.

KingExecration

Most games and the devs look at it as players and devs against issues. Zos devs look at it as us against pitted against their revenue.

leepalmer95

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

they are allways making progress.
im not defending eso but, they are working every time we see from them.

You sure? ever since i got the game every patch seemed to make the game worse.

jaws343

The overpowered proc meta that in 2 weeks of PVPing has only shown on my death recap a handful of times and has never been the reason I was killed.

leepalmer95

jaws343 wrote: »

The overpowered proc meta that in 2 weeks of PVPing has only shown on my death recap a handful of times and has never been the reason I was killed.

Well i've been back 2 days and it's everywhere on mine.

Died before and has 3 separate sload procs from 3 different people, lmao.

Anyway the thread is more than the crappy proc meta that zos seem incapable of killing off.

Merlin13KAGL

leepalmer95 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

they are allways making progress.
im not defending eso but, they are working every time we see from them.

You sure? ever since i got the game every patch seemed to make the game worse.

No, they balance.

They fix one thing, and break three more.

See? Balance.

leepalmer95

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

they are allways making progress.
im not defending eso but, they are working every time we see from them.

You sure? ever since i got the game every patch seemed to make the game worse.

No, they balance.

They fix one thing, and break three more.

See? Balance.

Ah right balance i get it.

Haven't they 'fixed' cloak every patch since release? Has it actually ever worked? Thinking about it this was a great indicator on how the game's health was gonna go lmao.

Brutusmax1mus

Lol, the lag has been so bad that I have been playing d3 here and there. Literally no reason to try at all point until a fix is implemented. They've moved on from pvp in this game. They're clearly done trying to balance and create content.

Vapirko

No joke I was playing fine in PvE totally fine for over an hour, I queue for BGs and immediately start getting ping spikes up to 999. I go into the match and it’s ridiculously bad. Ping all over the place, regular freezing you name it. This is getting out of hand. Makes you wanna smack whoever is responsible in the back of the head.

fred4

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lets start with the freezing and crashing in pvp now. This wasn't here last time i played but now around a dozen times an hour the game will just freeze for 5-10 seconds, sometimes these are perm freezes.

I don't mean to excuse ZOS, but this is due to them having reworked the code to take advantage of multi-core CPUs, and having (hopefully just) teething issues. On PC you edit UserSettings.txt and set the number of worker threads to 1. Overall performance is reduced back to the previous patch, but it fixes the freezes.

... the fact you've intentionally made the grind for mats/ tempers unnecessarily bigger that other skill lines just to artificially inflate the length of the content is stupid.

At current prices, on PC EU, purple platings, at 20K, are twice of what Tempering Alloys cost in the past. If you are in the habit of golding out your weapons, then purple jewelry is equally doable. Just 4 platings needed, vs 8 gold tempers. I'm kind of fine with it, since purple has been the standard for most (of my) gear and many sets were never available in gold anyway.

Prices are still askew. I don't want to give the game away, but if you compare prices for grains, platings, rings, raw, and refined mats, there is gold to be made from trading. Not without work, but it beats farming by a mile.

leepalmer95

fred4 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lets start with the freezing and crashing in pvp now. This wasn't here last time i played but now around a dozen times an hour the game will just freeze for 5-10 seconds, sometimes these are perm freezes.

I don't mean to excuse ZOS, but this is due to them having reworked the code to take advantage of multi-core CPUs, and having (hopefully just) teething issues. On PC you edit UserSettings.txt and set the number of worker threads to 1. Overall performance is reduced back to the previous patch, but it fixes the freezes.

... the fact you've intentionally made the grind for mats/ tempers unnecessarily bigger that other skill lines just to artificially inflate the length of the content is stupid.

At current prices, on PC EU, purple platings, at 20K, are twice of what Tempering Alloys cost in the past. If you are in the habit of golding out your weapons, then purple jewelry is equally doable. Just 4 platings needed, vs 8 gold tempers. I'm kind of fine with it, since purple has been the standard for most (of my) gear and many sets were never available in gold anyway.

Prices are still askew. I don't want to give the game away, but if you compare prices for grains, platings, rings, raw, and refined mats, there is gold to be made from trading. Not without work, but it beats farming by a mile.

I'm on console, i don't care what they tried to do. The fact is the game freezes constantly multiple times an hour and has been doing for a while with no fix in sight. It's a disgrace it been allowed to go on for so long, is this was any other game with competent devs it would be fixed immediately.

Again the prices are whatever, the fact is they have made the grind of it artificially higher than what it should be. You decon any other purple equipment and you have a high chance of a purple temper, you decon jewellery and you get parts and you need 1 parts to for a chance to get 1 temper. Like i said it's a complete joke and a sad effort to prolong the 'new content' feel of the sad overpriced dlc they call a chapter. Also don't compare purple jewellery to golding a weapon, compare purple to purple and gold to gold.

jaws343

leepalmer95 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lets start with the freezing and crashing in pvp now. This wasn't here last time i played but now around a dozen times an hour the game will just freeze for 5-10 seconds, sometimes these are perm freezes.

I don't mean to excuse ZOS, but this is due to them having reworked the code to take advantage of multi-core CPUs, and having (hopefully just) teething issues. On PC you edit UserSettings.txt and set the number of worker threads to 1. Overall performance is reduced back to the previous patch, but it fixes the freezes.

... the fact you've intentionally made the grind for mats/ tempers unnecessarily bigger that other skill lines just to artificially inflate the length of the content is stupid.

At current prices, on PC EU, purple platings, at 20K, are twice of what Tempering Alloys cost in the past. If you are in the habit of golding out your weapons, then purple jewelry is equally doable. Just 4 platings needed, vs 8 gold tempers. I'm kind of fine with it, since purple has been the standard for most (of my) gear and many sets were never available in gold anyway.

Prices are still askew. I don't want to give the game away, but if you compare prices for grains, platings, rings, raw, and refined mats, there is gold to be made from trading. Not without work, but it beats farming by a mile.

I'm on console, i don't care what they tried to do. The fact is the game freezes constantly multiple times an hour and has been doing for a while with no fix in sight. It's a disgrace it been allowed to go on for so long, is this was any other game with competent devs it would be fixed immediately.

Again the prices are whatever, the fact is they have made the grind of it artificially higher than what it should be. You decon any other purple equipment and you have a high chance of a purple temper, you decon jewellery and you get parts and you need 1 parts to for a chance to get 1 temper. Like i said it's a complete joke and a sad effort to prolong the 'new content' feel of the sad overpriced dlc they call a chapter. Also don't compare purple jewellery to golding a weapon, compare purple to purple and gold to gold.

From my understanding, consoles have hoops they have to jump through before they can push fixes out. So, unlike PC, we cannot get immediate fixes. Unfortunate, but the price we have to pay.

leepalmer95

jaws343 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lets start with the freezing and crashing in pvp now. This wasn't here last time i played but now around a dozen times an hour the game will just freeze for 5-10 seconds, sometimes these are perm freezes.

I don't mean to excuse ZOS, but this is due to them having reworked the code to take advantage of multi-core CPUs, and having (hopefully just) teething issues. On PC you edit UserSettings.txt and set the number of worker threads to 1. Overall performance is reduced back to the previous patch, but it fixes the freezes.

... the fact you've intentionally made the grind for mats/ tempers unnecessarily bigger that other skill lines just to artificially inflate the length of the content is stupid.

At current prices, on PC EU, purple platings, at 20K, are twice of what Tempering Alloys cost in the past. If you are in the habit of golding out your weapons, then purple jewelry is equally doable. Just 4 platings needed, vs 8 gold tempers. I'm kind of fine with it, since purple has been the standard for most (of my) gear and many sets were never available in gold anyway.

Prices are still askew. I don't want to give the game away, but if you compare prices for grains, platings, rings, raw, and refined mats, there is gold to be made from trading. Not without work, but it beats farming by a mile.

I'm on console, i don't care what they tried to do. The fact is the game freezes constantly multiple times an hour and has been doing for a while with no fix in sight. It's a disgrace it been allowed to go on for so long, is this was any other game with competent devs it would be fixed immediately.

Again the prices are whatever, the fact is they have made the grind of it artificially higher than what it should be. You decon any other purple equipment and you have a high chance of a purple temper, you decon jewellery and you get parts and you need 1 parts to for a chance to get 1 temper. Like i said it's a complete joke and a sad effort to prolong the 'new content' feel of the sad overpriced dlc they call a chapter. Also don't compare purple jewellery to golding a weapon, compare purple to purple and gold to gold.

From my understanding, consoles have hoops they have to jump through before they can push fixes out. So, unlike PC, we cannot get immediate fixes. Unfortunate, but the price we have to pay.

Funny every other game thats cross platform seems to patch every very quickly and at the same time. It's weird how zos have such a problem with it, it's either they don't and people are just looking for an excuse for them or they're that greedy they only want to patch every 3 months and call it a day.

LegendaryMage

I went to Cyro the other day, instant 450+ ping and <15 FPS, it's crazy.

Swimguy

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hrm, didn't have a single BG freeze last night.

either a lie or you got lucky. Every BG i play I either have a "unusually long loading screen" going into the game ( results in me getting kicked for "inactivity" a decent amount) or at the end. Its one or the other. Not only that but the current state of PvP and balancing is absolutely ***. Light armor mages have a easier time tanking people than heavy armor sword n shield users and then they can go and burst them, the latter cant... People say its "balanced" but its obvious there just a magic shield spam noob because thats the only way they can stay alive, zos calls it balancing i call it catering to bad players

fred4

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Again the prices are whatever, the fact is they have made the grind of it artificially higher than what it should be. You decon any other purple equipment and you have a high chance of a purple temper, you decon jewellery and you get parts and you need 1 parts to for a chance to get 1 temper. Like i said it's a complete joke and a sad effort to prolong the 'new content' feel of the sad overpriced dlc they call a chapter. Also don't compare purple jewellery to golding a weapon, compare purple to purple and gold to gold.

I actually disagree with you on that. Two reasons. One is that I think they are conscious of not devaluing trial loot too much, nor what the Golden sells. The same goes for vet dungeons. There have to be reasons to run them on vet, and purple jewelry has been one such reason. You can argue that should not be so and that those grinds were too grindy to begin with, but I think ZOS were merely careful not to upset the applecart too much. I kind of enjoy the rarity and high prices, since it helps with turnover in my guild store. With only 30 slots available, high priced (or stackable) items help with that.

The second reason is that prices are far from settled. Zircon (purple) grains drop barely more frequently than Chromium (gold) grains during refining, yet Chromium sells for 5x to 6x the price. Something is amiss. There is obviously more purple jewelry around to deconstruct, but I see Chromium prices falling closer to Zircon price levels. I also think once people have crafted what they needed, this patch, demand and prices will fall. I could be wrong, of course.

Waffennacht

@Swimguy and others that experience freezing, when do you play?

I was BGing... I think Saturday at about 6-8pm roughly around there (mountain time, so like 10 pm for New York)

I am willing to guess it also has something to do with time

Swimguy

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Swimguy and others that experience freezing, when do you play?

I was BGing... I think Saturday at about 6-8pm roughly around there (mountain time, so like 10 pm for New York)

I am willing to guess it also has something to do with time

I play primarily in the mornings but every now and then I get on around 6-7 (US EAST)

Biro123

I think its great..

I can finally play classes that I'm clueless with and when I die, blame it on proc sets and runecage instead of actually realizing that I'm bad.

Never been happier!!