Magplar vs Magdk sustain.

WickidMexican

I know magplar has rune focus which is 120 every .5 secs while magdk has battle roar. Has anybody tested to see which one has slightly better sustain?

Syiccal

honestly I think it really depends on the skill of the player

ak_pvp

PvE, Magplar wins. I believe DKs effective class regen pre patch was around 250, then it got buffed with combustion an extra 100. Magplars was around 400+

WickidMexican

Gotcha i didnt know how magdk battle roar was if you convert it to regen. I love both classes they feel awesome but i been trying to pick which one to play lately.

ak_pvp

If you want raw deeps, MagDK wins, sustain isn't even that much worse.

SmellyUnlimited

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you want raw deeps, MagDK wins, sustain isn't even that much worse.

IMO, Magplar narrowly beats MagDK. Obviously it depends on build/race to an extent, but if comparable on both:

Focus gives an effective 240 extra Magicka regen per tick. MagDK has Combustion but the 500 every 5 seconds is dependent on the burning status effect, which doesn’t have 100% uptime (unless you’re using Elemental Weapon or Asylum), but even then it doesn’t seem to make much difference.

Also keep in mind that Magplar’s choose high elf fairly regularly, while DK’s are almost locked in to Dark Elf for the 7% extra fire dmg. High elves have much better sustain.

clocksstoppe

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you want raw deeps, MagDK wins, sustain isn't even that much worse.

IMO, Magplar narrowly beats MagDK. Obviously it depends on build/race to an extent, but if comparable on both:

Focus gives an effective 240 extra Magicka regen per tick. MagDK has Combustion but the 500 every 5 seconds is dependent on the burning status effect, which doesn’t have 100% uptime (unless you’re using Elemental Weapon or Asylum), but even then it doesn’t seem to make much difference.

Also keep in mind that Magplar’s choose high elf fairly regularly, while DK’s are almost locked in to Dark Elf for the 7% extra fire dmg. High elves have much better sustain.

yeah lets pretend dk doesnt get half their magicka back on every standard use XD templar god of sustain LUL XDD

ak_pvp

clocksstoppe wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you want raw deeps, MagDK wins, sustain isn't even that much worse.

IMO, Magplar narrowly beats MagDK. Obviously it depends on build/race to an extent, but if comparable on both:

Focus gives an effective 240 extra Magicka regen per tick. MagDK has Combustion but the 500 every 5 seconds is dependent on the burning status effect, which doesn’t have 100% uptime (unless you’re using Elemental Weapon or Asylum), but even then it doesn’t seem to make much difference.

Also keep in mind that Magplar’s choose high elf fairly regularly, while DK’s are almost locked in to Dark Elf for the 7% extra fire dmg. High elves have much better sustain.

yeah lets pretend dk doesnt get half their magicka back on every standard use XD templar god of sustain LUL XDD

I hope you realize that overall templar has a bit better sustain, it doesn't really matter how they get it back, whether its a chunk or over time, templar remains better.

WickidMexican

My magplar is at level 42 at the moment so i havent really tested dps and sustain yet. As for gear that ill be wearing. Im gonna try to do juli, bsw, and zaan. I think i can replace bsw with mothers sorrow if it im having terrible uptime on bsw. Also im not saying one is better then the other just trying to see which has the better sustain. I know magdk is burst sustain while magplar is with rune focus. On my magdk i was pushing 38k with bsw, sun, and zaan. Im no god with my rotation but thats the best i can get out of him. Hopefully i can get the same or close to those numbers with magplar.

WrathOfInnos

Keep in mind that Templars have to use a bar slot for channeled focus, and recast it frequently. DK’s give up nothing for sustain since both their sources are passives.

WickidMexican

Yea i know but they have the 10% extra crit damage and burning light. Idk how much it procs but hopefully enough to make a difference.

JinMori

mag plar sustain wins, but mag dk is much, MUCH better dps.

Stibbons

Magdk wins in this too. You just cannot stand still on Magplar rune in any endgame content pve, wvw, pvp,..

Valkysas154

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you want raw deeps, MagDK wins, sustain isn't even that much worse.

IMO, Magplar narrowly beats MagDK. Obviously it depends on build/race to an extent, but if comparable on both:

Focus gives an effective 240 extra Magicka regen per tick. MagDK has Combustion but the 500 every 5 seconds is dependent on the burning status effect, which doesn’t have 100% uptime (unless you’re using Elemental Weapon or Asylum), but even then it doesn’t seem to make much difference.

Also keep in mind that Magplar’s choose high elf fairly regularly, while DK’s are almost locked in to Dark Elf for the 7% extra fire dmg. High elves have much better sustain.

I would like to point out that going from a wood elf - all stanima racials to a high elf- i only had a 70 regen difference
was not worth being tall so changed her back it did give me a decent chunk on mana tho

Danksta

Stibbons wrote: »

Magdk wins in this too. You just cannot stand still on Magplar rune in any endgame content pve, wvw, pvp,..

You don't need to just stand in it, you can just stand in it every 8 seconds and keep up the magicka return. Also even if you cast it and don't stand in it at all you will get more magicka back than it took to cast it.

Drdeath20

Both are debatably the worst. As usual templar is in conversation as having the worst or being the worst.

WickidMexican

I appreciate all the feedback. I went with magplar for now. Almost level 50 and got my gear ready. Also not trying to be mean but i was asking for sustain. Dps wise i know magplars are a little under the rest but its not like you need 48k+ for trials even 35k should be enough for any content.